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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

105 点作者 bubblehack3r超过 2 年前

19 条评论

ccn0p超过 2 年前
I see a lot of people critical of Turkey... and I agree. But the US is not too far away. See AB-2098 in California just signed by governor &#x2F; likely presidential nominee Gavin Newson [1] which basically gives the state the ability to revoke medical licenses for spreading &quot;false information that is contradicted by contemporary scientific contrary to the standard of care&quot; (in other words, go against the CDC or other state-funded agencies, get punished by the state).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leginfo.legislature.ca.gov&#x2F;faces&#x2F;billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2098" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leginfo.legislature.ca.gov&#x2F;faces&#x2F;billTextClient.xhtm...</a>
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rayiner超过 2 年前
Think about the power you want the government to have. And then imagine what your political opponents will do with it the next time they win the election.
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swayvil超过 2 年前
So this is ludicrous and hazardous for the obvious reasons. And mirrors recent trends in media, social and otherwise, here in USA.<p>Control of information by a crew of rich guys is bad. Control by the vast mob of malleable munchkins is worse.<p>I actually think that, on the whole-society scale, less control is the desirable course here. Let individuals do their own filtering. Or not.<p>Give chaos a chance.
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gmargari超过 2 年前
Meanwhile in Greece (2021): New Greek law against disinformation endangers press freedom <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rsf.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;new-greek-law-against-disinformation-endangers-press-freedom" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rsf.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;new-greek-law-against-disinformation-enda...</a>
rdevsrex超过 2 年前
Sigh. Yet more censorship. Just what the world needs.
gjsman-1000超过 2 年前
Hold on.. not false statements, not defamation, not calls for violence… but “disinformation.”<p>Except that we find out that many things were disinformation every day. My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission to the EU a few days ago. Apparently that is not new information technically speaking, but it is so counter-narrative it boggles the mind (what the hell was “protect Grandma” then? A hopeful wish?). Would I have risked jail for saying that in Turkey, had this law been in place, a year ago?
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Ekaros超过 2 年前
Isn&#x27;t this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think.<p>Also, only three years? Isn&#x27;t that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?
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soheil超过 2 年前
&gt; The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.<p>- The argument against Free Speech and shouting fire in a crowded theater.<p>Is this Turkey&#x27;s justification too?
boredumb超过 2 年前
Wow, how progressive of Turkey!
addingadimensio超过 2 年前
If we could all come together and boost harder this wont need to happen here
seydor超过 2 年前
OK but the accurate information about turkey lately is not particularly flattering, so what gives? They&#x27;ll jail their own propagandists?
throwawaylinux超过 2 年前
A Western authoritarian&#x27;s wet dream.
robomartin超过 2 年前
The world would, without a doubt, be a better place if politicians, news organizations, influencers&#x2F;celebrities, etc. did not lie to the masses.<p>It would also likely be a much quieter place, in that some of these entities would not be able to produce so much content due to the need to corroborate before posting, printing or opening their mouths. Some would be silent, because a lot of these people are truly ignorant about a wide range of subjects and are in the business of disseminating outrage for clicks and eyeballs rather than informing their audience.<p>In the US in particular, freedom of speech and freedom of the press have devolved into being able to go as far as mounting massive campaigns, based on lies, used to destroy people. This has happened to people from all walks of life, from politicians to random people targeted by the mobs. The media, politicians and people with enough followers on social media have done this; examples abound.<p>This is objectively wrong.<p>I cannot imagine anyone with a modicum of decency and moral standards actually believing it is OK to have these elements in society behave in such ways. This is objectively detrimental for society.<p>Of course, the difficulties come in when we try to define truth. In some cases there is no such thing as an absolute truth. Do we not speak about such matters? Or do we require a strong disclaimer to be issued with as much visibility and impact as the statements being made? De we add an &quot;open source&quot; requirement for news organizations? In other words, they would be legally required to publish the research and sources used in order to confirm the veracity of a story. Is that sensible? I don&#x27;t know.<p>In the US politicians are legally protected when they lie to the masses. A politician can say anything they want about the economy, crime, education, war and peace and their opponents, lie about all of it and have no legal exposure to the consequences of such lies. A politician can say that a proposed bill is about X when, in reality, it is about Y. This, again, is objectively wrong, and yet we don&#x27;t seem interested in doing anything about it.<p>It goes without saying that social media is a deep dark hole full of lies and manipulative content. Again, objectively terrible for society.<p>Sadly, fixing this problem is nearly impossible. As easy as it might be to state what kinds of behaviors are objectively wrong, designing an equitable solution that protects the important aspects of free speech isn&#x27;t as easy as it may sound.<p>When it comes to the press, it is my opinion that they should not be allowed to print anything that they have not confirmed to be truthful within a reasonable margin of error. As an example everyone would be familiar with, if a news organization is going to, day after day, claim that the US president is a foreign agent, they would have to be able to corroborate this with solid evidence and research or suffer severe consequences. If they are going to point to an individual and claim them to be racist or a member of a cult, etc., same thing.<p>There ought to be a reasonable threshold --which can be somewhat fuzzy-- for mass media organizations to engage in some of the carpet bombing campaigns that have become all too familiar these days. The latest one is against Tulsi Gabbard, who, after announcing she is leaving her political party, is now the target of all manner of attacks from multiple angles, including such things as saying she is a member of a cult. I use this example because it is very fresh, quite literally the last few days.<p>However one might feel about her and her political views, here&#x27;s what reveals this event as a politically-motivated smear campaign: If the things being said about her were true and the motivation behind the dissemination was an honest effort to inform the public, these stories would have been newsworthy <i>before</i> she left her political party. If she is, in fact, a member of a cult, this would have been important for voters to know two years ago. Yet, that&#x27;s not the case. The attacks are politically motivated and likely lies and fabrications. They are deployed en-masse when a person goes from being silent or a member of the club to being viewed as a political enemy. That, in a nutshell, is what&#x27;s wrong. These things are legally-protected smear and destruction campaign. They should not be allowed by law. Which is, of course, easier said than done.
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animitronix超过 2 年前
Time to remove Turkey from NATO
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JakDrako超过 2 年前
Will the Ministry of Truth also tell the good people what is the correct information they may spread?
osigurdson超过 2 年前
Erdoğan has seen how well government sponsored misinformation has worked in Russia and is a little jealous. Much easier to win elections when you control the message. Then, eventually just stop having elections.
_3u10超过 2 年前
That’s super progressive of them, California just passed a similar law for doctors
Kukumber超过 2 年前
They don&#x27;t want the US&#x2F;Israel to plot a 2nd coup [1], just like with China&#x2F;Russia they want to split Turkey since it&#x27;s too big<p>Erdogan knows that very well, hence he tried to play double face with NATO&#x2F;Russia (BRICS)<p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#Allegations_of_CIA_involvement" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...</a>
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nashashmi超过 2 年前
If countries and companies are not going to have anti disinformation protocols, they might as well outright implement dictatorship.<p>Deterrence is a good thing.
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