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On the cheap, like a local, and without a lot of luggage

433 点作者 brandrick超过 2 年前

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fritztastic超过 2 年前
Something about this just seems very odd to me.<p>As someone who grew up in the global South, this reads to me like a person from a privileged background trying to relate to the everyday people in other places and the marginalized- but it comes off sounding like a lot of projectionand assumptions- it would read much better if the conclusions were accompanied with dialogue from people, maybe explanations of where those statements are coming from.<p>&gt;<i>I don’t travel like most people do</i> I would think most travel is done by a wealthy few, but most travelers aren&#x27;t wealthy- if that makes sense? It sounds like the &quot;travel&quot; being referred to here is &quot;flying somewhere and being a tourist&quot; but in fact to many people &quot;travel&quot; means taking the train&#x2F;bus to another city, staying in a hostel, wandering around. Most people who go to see a wonder of the world do it because this might be the one time in their life they can afford to visit NYC, a place many people dream of seeing, and so they want to experience those things that are iconic there. I guess it really stands out to me, this writing sounds like &quot;I&#x27;m not like those other stereotypical tourists&quot; and the stereotypes are those behaviors associated with privileged westerners- which isn&#x27;t really an accurate representation of most travelers.<p>From the Istanbul post:<p>&gt;<i>Most Turks are not secular though, and neither are they religious nuts like them Arabs</i><p>He considers education by traveling as sufficient, which I believe is not the best approach. Might be a good idea to read up a little about the history and cultures of a region before going.<p>There is a lot going on with his writing that comes off ethnocentric, uninformed, insensitive. I&#x27;m not going to dissect it, but I&#x27;ll just say I recommend familiarization with cultural geography, anthropology, and ethnography if the topic of understanding people in different places interests you- because this blog is rife with problematic bias and some really broad generalizations that are prejudice at best, racism at worst.
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cowuser666超过 2 年前
Seems like people are criticizing this partially because it&#x27;s pitched as an alternative to normal tourism. Just wanted to point out that Chris Arnade has done quite compelling photo journalism based on his way of engaging with communities, so what might seem like non sequitors or edge lord stuff might be in service of an implicit goal of his that most travelers don&#x27;t share. Not that he does himself any favors with some of the framing.<p>Highly recommend his book Dignity. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Dignity-Seeking-Respect-Back-America&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0525534733" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Dignity-Seeking-Respect-Back-America&#x2F;...</a><p>Some of his work in the Guardian: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;chris-arnade" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;chris-arnade</a>
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Chris_arnade超过 2 年前
I wrote the article. So you can yell at me here. Thanks again for all the interesting comments. Hacker news is the best. One of the few places I read the comments and learn.
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mrb超过 2 年前
«<i>I try to find non-traditional tourist destinations. Cities that are viewed as ugly, or without a lot to see. Cities where the residents are more focused on living their life, for themselves, not for a global audience.</i>»<p>This resonates so much with an experience I have had once. My wife and I visited Japan for a couple weeks and we went to 4 cities: 3 big classic ones (Tokyo, Kyoto, Hiroshima), and a small city that a relative used to live in: Beppu, which is not at all a tourist destination. In fact Beppu is so off the radar that one of the only guided tours available there to see local gardens and one monastery was by a guide who didn&#x27;t even speak English. I didn&#x27;t see a single restaurant menu in English. There was not much to do except randomly exploring neighborhoods and trying random shops, walking along canals, people-watching, bathing in the local hot springs (which were completely empty), etc. We were immersed in a tiny city with just people living their normal lives. And yet, Beppu was my most favorite experience in Japan. It felt like the real Japan.
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post_break超过 2 年前
Reminds me of the guy who travels after a terrorist attack because it’s so much cheaper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;funny&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l9y45v&#x2F;travel_hacks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;funny&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l9y45v&#x2F;travel_hacks&#x2F;</a>
rippercushions超过 2 年前
Some of this advice is good, some of it is bizarre:<p>&gt; <i>I prefer to travel to a city the time of year its most uncomfortable. So like Montreal in the winter, or New Delhi in the summer. I want to see a place when it’s at the apogee of its essence, not when it’s the most comfortable. A kinda, if you are going to do X really do X thing. It’s also when it’s a lot cheaper.</i><p>No, sorry, if you visit New Delhi in May, Tokyo in August or Montreal in February, you&#x27;re going to have a pretty miserable time.
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PopAlongKid超过 2 年前
&gt;Next time you travel, when you get home, unpack and see what you didn’t use. You’ll be surprised how much you’ve overpacked.<p>&gt;I also bring lots of cash<p>Best travel advice I ever received, pre-Internet era (but still relevant):<p>Bring twice as much money, and half as many clothes, as you think you are going to need.
dabedee超过 2 年前
The author&#x27;s behavior is, to some extent, an attempt at anti-conformity by traveling in a way that he believes most people don&#x27;t do (i.e. by staying close to locals, staying longer than a few days, avoiding popular places to experience authenticity). I think most people would in theory like to travel that way. Places that feel authentic draw people and become popular, which eventually makes those places feel less &quot;authentic&quot;. That&#x27;s the paradox. If everyone traveled and behaved like the author, then, in time, there would be less &quot;authentic&quot; places to discover.
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ochoseis超过 2 年前
There’s a really good subreddit for this called r&#x2F;onebag. You can get by with surprisingly little clothing by utilizing wool t-shirts, socks and underwear, plus semi-stylish nylon shorts and pants (I’ve personally had good luck with Unbound merino, Western Rise, and Outlier).<p>Pure wool is more fragile than cotton, but pretty comfortable these days, resists odor, dries quickly, and is easy to sink-wash.<p>Shoes are the one thing I have yet to crack — hard to find ones that dress up and down well.
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DustinBrett超过 2 年前
I did this in my mid-20&#x27;s and it was indeed a great way to travel. Ended up going to 50 countries before I turned 30. Lots of CouchSurfing along the way, although that community&#x2F;site has degraded. Had an Osprey Escapist 20L backpack which was more than enough to fit a weeks worth of living into, I&#x27;d do laundry and buy new t-shirts&#x2F;underwear along the way. After years of traveling I think I ended up being every type of cliché traveler eventually. Doing the math it was about $15,000 CAD &#x2F; year. It was actually a very interesting way to live and it gave me a lot of confidence to be able to survive in most places on very little. Even the most expensive cities in the world you can usually find a way to live cheap, if you are willing to compromise and find a way to be ok with being uncomfortable.
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justnotworthit超过 2 年前
Are you collecting &quot;local&quot; trophies? The quaint lives of indigenous grandmas and blue collar workers? Are they the &quot;real&quot; ones whose wisdom you absorb? Do they stop being real when they enter a chain restuarant?<p>Some locals (as if they&#x27;re museum artifacts!) don&#x27;t live cheaply; or have learned your language; or are overeducated; or buy in bulk; or like to travel too (can a local travel?); Are they not authentic? Not able to teach you something? You&#x27;ve heard from them already, I guess.
varispeed超过 2 年前
These guides to travel &quot;like a local&quot; always sound patronising and demeaning. It&#x27;s almost short of saying travel &quot;like a poor&quot; and reminds me of rich middle class coming to deprived parts of town to have pint with the locals to hear how they struggle and at the same time feel better about themselves.
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Markoff超过 2 年前
How to travel on the cheap<p>Author uses Airbnb. &#x2F;facepalm<p>I have one advice for you - don&#x27;t use Airbnb, small guesthouses are way cheaper than any Airbnb in SEA and busy areas have often lot of competition pushing prices much lower than done deserted areas, you have no clue about cheap travel.<p>And if you want really local experience then stay at CS hosts or find whatever you can like when I argued about price in one Thai island with owner and they suggested for price I propose I can sleep somewhere in floor, which I said it&#x27;s fine with me, couple from bus station heard us and I ended up sleeping on mattress in their bus station office.<p>Also Hanoi is less touristy and more local than HCMC? You what? Who is this noob? I enjoyed motorbiking around Ninh Binh a lot, Hanoi is like top 1 or 2 most touristy place in Vietnam, heck even Hue or Danang are less touristy than Hanoi.
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duxup超过 2 年前
Some of my best experiences were off the beaten path. Having said that I kinda question this idea how local or representative of local life those experiences were. I also would not what to have missed out on the big attractions either... I can&#x27;t imagine skipping the Louvre, not seeing David...<p>For an article by someone who travels a lot there&#x27;s a tone here like that friend who comes back from some trip to tell you how much more amazing X place is and all the wonderful things they do better. Things that are different often make big impressions. I&#x27;m always skeptical of these ideas, how many people you meet, what that really represents and so on.<p>Otherwise I probably agree with most things in the article, granted somewhat aspirationally (I wish I could pack that light) ;)
ricardobayes超过 2 年前
Travelling is like real estate, location matters. Certain places are popular for a reason usually. Off-the beaten path travelling is like advocating people to move to an off-grid farm with no running water. It might work out fine for you, but most people are not into that thing.
Lio超过 2 年前
Whenever I see &quot;travel light&quot; advice now I just think of Vagrant Holiday[1].<p>Of course, once you&#x27;ve seen how The Vagrant travels it makes the rest of us look like pretentious bourgeois pretenders no matter how regimented our carry on bags are. :P<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;VagrantHoliday" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;VagrantHoliday</a>
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ChrisMarshallNY超过 2 年前
I worked with a Japanese chap, who was a 3rd Degree blackbelt travel ninja.<p>He had one Zero Halliburton carry-on case. Had about three changes of clothes, and all his tech gear in there.<p>He would travel for months at a time, but always used just that case. In many cases, he slept on the plane, and never even got a hotel room.<p>Once he became a VP, he had to pack a suit, so he had to add a suit bag.
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penner_im_auto超过 2 年前
2 years Vanlifer here.<p>I am surprised he didn&#x27;t mention once asking the locals. That is my key to knowing how people live in different countries. Also you get tons of inside information and it is an easy step to connect to people. Often times you get &#x27;adopted&#x27;. You find yourself as a special guest on a private family garden party. Or on parties in locations that only the &#x27;cool people&#x27; know it is open because Corona regulations mixed things up.<p>I am currently recording hundreds of videos to share all knowledge on YT.
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jobs_throwaway超过 2 年前
Nice read, but for all the &quot;I want to travel like a local&quot;, I find it funny that he refers to the large city in the south of Vietnam as &quot;Ho Chi Minh City&quot; when virtually all locals call it its traditional name &quot;Saigon&quot;.
bodge5000超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve never travelled before (other than the usual British holidays to france and spain, in which you make an immediate detour to the first red lion you see and kind of just sit around that for a week), but have recently been feeling like I should at least try it. The problem is, I have no idea where to start, where to go or what to do. I don&#x27;t really have any opinions on where I&#x27;d want to go because its never been something I&#x27;ve considered doing.<p>Ideally, it&#x27;d be really nice to find a group of people who also want to go travelling and who are also more into it that I can join along with. Not like a tour guide, I&#x27;m not a huge fan of strict activites and basically just want to go foreign pubs, but a few people who I can socialise with and who know what they&#x27;re doing, that&#x27;d be great, but so far Google hasn&#x27;t turned up a lot.<p>Anyone have any advice for somone like me? For some reason I know the more granular advice like &quot;travel light&quot;, but don&#x27;t really have a clue about the much broader stuff like &quot;go to x&quot;
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tomxor超过 2 年前
Depending on the country this can ring very true when it comes to food in my experience. i.e where popular = worse.<p>The most extreme experience I had was for a brief stay in Thailand, where the main tourist streets are filled with ridiculously glamorous looking and very busy restaurants serving the blandest meals (by anyone&#x27;s opinion) with the most watered down and expensive drinks I&#x27;ve ever had. I don&#x27;t think anyone could ever eat at one more than once.<p>But within only a couple streets distance you can find amazing street food for a fraction of the price and eat like a king, which is exactly what all the locals were eating. Some westerners might be a little worried about hygiene but they cook it right in front of you and honestly I think the tourist restaurants were a complete facade and are probably have far less hygienic kitchens hidden away... Since then, in foreign lands, I&#x27;m more wary of places filled with tourists and few locals.
karaterobot超过 2 年前
I always thought that the only real way to live like a local would be to get a job that takes up most of your time, rent the cheapest apartment you can find, and go to the same places every day. On weekends, catch up on errands. Everything else is just some flavor of tourism. To be honest, I prefer tourism!
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throw_lfnsooemd超过 2 年前
IMO this misses out on how to create deep connections with people.<p>What I often do is meet people through Grindr and try to get a short term romance. The relationships that ensure are quite profound and it creates a very special connection with the place. Maybe through the eyes of the person that you&#x27;ve met.
ilamont超过 2 年前
There&#x27;s a correspondent named Paul Salopek walking <i>around the world</i> and writing&#x2F;shooting it for National Geographic. He started in Africa and he is currently in Asia, headed northeast. His final destination is Tierra del Fuego. I follow him on Twitter and it&#x27;s very interesting seeing the pictures (mostly in rural areas) and understanding how he does it (he has locals walking with him on each leg). He&#x27;s gone through many sets of hiking boots.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;PaulSalopek" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;PaulSalopek</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nationalgeographic.org&#x2F;projects&#x2F;out-of-eden-walk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nationalgeographic.org&#x2F;projects&#x2F;out-of-eden-walk...</a>
wdutch超过 2 年前
&gt; When I decided to go to Vietnam, everything and everyone told me to go to Ho Chi Minh City. It had better food. More art. More high culture. Less government. So I went to Hanoi.<p>I&#x27;m not sure why the author acts like those are the only 2 options. I spent a year living in Ho Chi Minh city and the vast majority of the city of is not aimed at international people but at the 9 million Vietnamese speakers living there (districts 1, 2 and 7 being the exceptions).<p>That being said, both HCM and Hanoi are subcultures of their own and don&#x27;t give any impression of a &#x27;typical&#x27; Vietnamese person&#x27;s experience. If I were to look for a completely ordinary city, I&#x27;d pick a random city with a population of around 500,000 and nothing notable on Wikipedia.
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throw7超过 2 年前
Walking around is great, but I think it&#x27;s a good idea to generally be aware of &quot;unsafe&quot; parts of town. If you think about your own local city, you would know areas to avoid, but, hey, if that&#x27;s your thing, then go for it.
invalidusernam3超过 2 年前
The part about visas is purely from an American perspective. I always find it weird when people write assuming everyone reading will be American. It&#x27;s extra surprising when the person is a supposed travel guru.
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pxx超过 2 年前
&gt; &quot;You can almost always change cash with no commission and at a better exchange rate than credit cards charge&quot;<p>Can you? This doesn&#x27;t seem to be the case except in countries where the real exchange rate has drifted from a government-imposed one. The spread on my credit card and ATM card are low enough (very negative, in fact, on the credit card when we consider cashback) where if this were the case I would be able to arbitrage against said jewelry stores.
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parthianshotgun超过 2 年前
Relevant David Foster Wallace<p>&gt; As I see it, it probably really is good for the soul to be a tourist, even if it’s only once in a while. Not good for the soul in a refreshing or enlivening way, though, but rather in a grim, steely-eyed, let’s-look-honestly-at-the-facts-and-find-some-way-to-deal-with-them way.<p>&gt;<p>&gt; My personal experience has not been that traveling around the country is broadening or relaxing, or that radical changes in place and context have a salutary effect, but rather that intranational tourism is radically constricting, and humbling in the hardest wayhostile to my fantasy of being a real individual, of living somehow outside and above it all.<p>&gt; To be a mass tourist, for me, is to become a pure late-date American: alien, ignorant, greedy for something you cannot ever have, disappointed in a way you can never admit. It is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience. It is to impose yourself on places that in all noneconomic ways would be better, realer, without you. It is, in lines and gridlock and transaction after transaction, to confront a dimension of yourself that is as inescapable as it is painful:<p>&gt;<p>&gt; As a tourist, you become economically significant but existentially loathsome, an insect on a dead thing.
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magic_hamster超过 2 年前
While I understand the mixed responses to this post, and I started writing a lengthy comment with my own point of view, I realized that all said and done, this is just what the author wants.<p>It is commendable that the author is going to these lengths to experience what they are after. I&#x27;m not sure it has to be quite this extreme: for instance, you don&#x27;t have to deliberately visit in the worst possible weather to experience the place authentically, especially since you&#x27;re already going off the beaten path to places where most tourists aren&#x27;t going to visit anyway.<p>The only problem with this sort of travel is that you&#x27;re not <i>really</i> getting to live as a local, no matter what sort of condition your subject yourself to. Real life has bureaucracy, waiting in line for boring stuff, sometimes concerning stuff. It has limitations that stem from what you make, while visiting significantly smaller economies you are disproportionately wealthy and you don&#x27;t really share the locals&#x27; means for survival.<p>No matter what you do, you are still a spectator, and while you&#x27;re learning about different cultures and lifestyles, it&#x27;s okay to have some fun.
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renewiltord超过 2 年前
His photos are great. The article does come across a little full of itself, but I think it&#x27;s overall a solid idea. Personally, I allocate very little time to traveling these days so I&#x27;m forced to squeeze in the big wins: i.e. if I go to Tanzania I&#x27;m going to go see the wildebeest on the Serengeti. That&#x27;s just how it is.<p>But I have to say, looking back, the most fun moments were less curated. And one example that I remember is walking through Gent with a friend of mine, feeling hungry, and stopping at one of those kebab stores. My friend and I had traveled to Turkey at some earlier time so when we asked the guy running the store (who was quite obviously Turkish) if he knew where I could get some fistikli kadayif (the wrong i but my keyboard is US) we ended up having a really fun conversation with someone who hadn&#x27;t been to the country of his birth in a decade and really just enjoyed talking about it.<p>Personally, I&#x27;m a huge fan of these human connections. I really wish I could mind-meld with people and just absorb and share everything I&#x27;ve seen and they&#x27;ve seen and experienced. We can&#x27;t, so this is what we get.<p>But besides that, when I as young I wrote copy for a bunch of these sites&#x2F;magazines freelance and the &#x27;research&#x27; was incredibly shallow. So what you&#x27;re going to get is some teenager&#x27;s online echo of some other teenager&#x27;s online echo. Then everyone is convinced that only Giovanni&#x27;s Shrimp Truck is the place to go. So if you just go next door to the other shrimp truck without the line, you&#x27;ll get 99% experience with 1% trouble.<p>Following the herd has its value in that shared experiences themselves are of value but there&#x27;s fun to be had in not that, too.
kylehotchkiss超过 2 年前
This blog post is a nice guide! Some additions:<p>* Pack immodium for food sickness, this style of travel guarantees it. Add some ORS packets to your bag too (don&#x27;t just trust gatorade or whatever)<p>* The new iPhone SE blends in remarkably well everywhere, it looks like a 7 year old phone.<p>* I feel much better in foreign hotels than AirBNBs. They generally adhere to some form of security backed by a legal standard, as far as door locks, and having guards on the property goes. AirBnB is great in trust-based societies, which travelers on the beaten path are not visiting.<p>* As cheap as possible for flights isn&#x27;t the wisest choice, especially after covid where a lot of low cost carriers have cut corners on maintenance (see google news for spicejet over the past few months for more)
pengaru超过 2 年前
pro-tip: Traveling light&#x2F;backpacking is <i>far</i> simpler in a fasted state.<p>Now whenever I go on a multi-day trip I&#x27;ll deliberately pack on a few extra pounds before departing while in keto mode. From there it&#x27;s a painless transition to simply not eating, and after 48hrs it feels like a potentially infinite modus operandi. No need for pooping in random foreign places and less demand for bathing daily, no need to carry bulky&#x2F;heavy food... These problems are effectively reduced to just drinking water and finding places to pee.
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iLoveOncall超过 2 年前
I genuinely never understood the people that travel to live like locals, avoiding tourist spots, popular attractions, etc.<p>Popular things are popular for a reason, I just can&#x27;t fathom missing out on them on purpose, with the sole reason being that they are popular.<p>If I pay thousands for flights and hotels, it&#x27;s definitely to see what&#x27;s unique about the place, and after having lived in 4 very different countries (and my girlfriend in 10+), I can tell you that the locals&#x27; way of life is definitely not unique anywhere in the world.
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kritiko超过 2 年前
Lots of commentary on Arnade’s recommendations already, so I’ll ask a question instead —-<p>Does anybody here have a regular job and family and take multiple multiple-week trips per year? If so, how do you do it?
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seydor超过 2 年前
Travel is easy now. You don&#x27;t need to ask locals, you can&#x27;t get lost, and only a few remote places have anthropologic interest. The author travels for entertainment, it is certainly a time-consuming kind with slow reward&#x27;s but as time goes by i wonder if travel will simply go out of fashion, as every place looks alike. We have google earth to explore even remote dangerous favelas, (accompanied by police). Tech is making travel a pure exercise in movement, without need or purpose
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throwaway123120超过 2 年前
&gt; * When I decided to go to Vietnam, everything and everyone told me to go to Ho Chi Minh City. It had better food. More art. More high culture. Less government. So I went to Hanoi.<p>The US equivalent is to go to Indianapolis instead of NYC or Houston instead of LA.*<p>Uh huh. Indianapolis is a great idea for an international traveler. And while you are at it, go visit Indiana&#x27;s state parks instead of Yosemite or Zion &#x2F;s
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xivzgrev超过 2 年前
If most tourists go to popular areas, the author is the extreme opposite.<p>I like somewhere in the middle. I seek out highly-rated restaurants among LOCALS as a starting point. The fewer other tourists I see and the less English the staff speaks, the better. I also mix in places I see on the street that look good - they may not even be on rating apps; sometimes I get lucky that way too.
JadeNB超过 2 年前
I understand de-clickbaiting titles, but removing the actual title &quot;How to travel&quot; before the subtitle &quot;On the cheap, like a local, and without a lot of luggage&quot; makes this title incomprehensible to me. If the whole is too unwieldy, then why not drop the subtitle and keep the actual title?
aeturnum超过 2 年前
This is <i>such</i> a strange article.<p>I too, in general, avoid starting with &quot;pre-packaged&quot; experiences when traveling. My most memorable experiences were only possible because, like the author, I travel light and don&#x27;t plan too far ahead and mostly avoid being spendy. There&#x27;s a kind of looseness and spontaneity that is possible if one plans generally and keeps funds available to take advantage of opportunities that only crystalize once you get to where you are going.<p>But the high-handed tone in this article, denigrating the popular attractions countries are known of, feels entirely at odds with that philosophy.<p>&gt; <i>I stay away from the coolest neighborhoods in the world, which all end up being variations of the same thing.</i><p>If you have spent any time traveling, you know this is a silly thing to say. Even the most tourist-y places like Bali, though you see similarities, retain a national character. They are also generally very different from the rest of their host country - bubbles with their own rules and features. This is a feature! I have never regretted spending some time in heavily tourist&#x27;ed areas. Being catered to and seeing how culture shifts is interesting and fun. Taking a break from forging your own path and doing some pre-constructed-fun is nice. The reasons those areas are popular is because they are interesting and fun!<p>To me, a lot of this comes down to balancing the time you invest in figuring out how to spend your time and money v.s. the time you want to take &quot;doing the thing.&quot; If you have a low budget, then just kind of scrap around (you don&#x27;t have a choice so there&#x27;s no need to pretend this is some crazy tip). If you have a higher budget you have options! You can jump right into a pre-planned experience for a little bit or you can scrap it a bit and see what turns out. Ultimately, for most of us, even if you travel on &quot;the cheap&quot; you are still actually planning around a budget of how long you can skip work.<p>I 1000% think that, if people have never taken just a carry on to a less touristy city in a foreign city, you should consider it. But the experience is a close cousin to the one you have when you are in tourist land and the two approaches support each other.
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jonfromsf超过 2 年前
My parents used to have a simple approach to traveling on the Greek Islands. They would buy a Lonely Planet Greece guidebook, then go to the dock in Athens and look at the signs for the ferries. They would only go to an island that wasn&#x27;t listed in the book. Worked like a charm for years and years.
glonq超过 2 年前
My sister and her husband have been travelling throughout asia and south america this way for years. It&#x27;s a great way to stretch the budget; they can get 4 months of travel out of what a typical tourist might spend in 1 or 2 months.<p>It wouldn&#x27;t work for me, but I really respect that they&#x27;re able to do it.
gniv超过 2 年前
I had discovered the author through his series on Istanbul, which I thought was interesting and insightful: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;walkingtheworld.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;walking-istanbul-part-1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;walkingtheworld.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;walking-istanbul-part...</a>
grammers超过 2 年前
Traveling the world is awesome. At the same time I&#x27;m always surprised at how many things you can do right at your doorstep. At least for myself I can say I need to do a vacation at home because if you&#x27;re always on the go, you never get a chance to see the beautiful spots right next to you.
andirk超过 2 年前
I do a combo of these, with more time being a local if I have a lot of time, and little localing if I don&#x27;t. There is often a new world in the common activities like going to the laundromat, getting groceries, plugging in your electric Alfa Romeo in the nearby favela.
mvexel超过 2 年前
If you need a travel guide for this type of tourism, you may find the “tourists vs locals” maps interesting and useful. Made by analyzing Flickr photos grouping them in ones likely taken by locals (blue) vs ones likely taken by tourists (red).
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ElDji超过 2 年前
Traveling around the world is cool as fuck, but com&#x27;on guys didn&#x27;t you heard about global change due to CO2 emission ?<p>Do you realize that you rich life style is impacting more poor people from south who will never take a plane ?
nkingsy超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ll add my three rules for exciting travel:<p>1. Travel alone.<p>2. Always politely brush off people that approach you.<p>3. Approach people that look like they&#x27;re having fun.<p>Alternatively, go places where you have a good friend who will let you stay with them.
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Hakeemmidan超过 2 年前
&gt; And like good fiction, travel changes you. For the better. Mostly.<p>Fiction changes you? For the better?! Mostly?!?!?!? I need some expansion on this. I have been living in the non-fiction darkness.
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state_less超过 2 年前
Another benefit of packing light is that you can rent a motorcycle and carry your kit cross-country without much trouble.<p>I like covering a lot of ground and coming and going whenever it suits me.
smoovb超过 2 年前
A Buddhist monk might call this kind of travel extravagant.
insane_dreamer超过 2 年前
For some reason I didn&#x27;t expect an article about traveling the world (something I&#x27;ve done a lot of and love) would get 250+ comments on HN.
a-user-you-like超过 2 年前
We’ll this is one way to tell the poor people who gad their money inflated away by the fed printer, “get used to a lower standard of life”!
hayst4ck超过 2 年前
I spent over a year traveling like this person. I agree with most of what he said.<p>My most treasured experiences were from being a regular somewhere. I think that is the most important lesson of the post. Friendship is proximity + time, so without spending a lot of time in one location you won&#x27;t make friends.<p>Random aimless walking through non tourist areas is also an enriching activity.<p>I also found that traveling to places local people would visit to be far more interesting than the major tourist destinations.<p>If I had one uncommon piece of advice, it would be to invest in an extremely comfortable pair of shoes. After your phone, your shoes are by far your most important investment.<p>I personally prefer to travel with more stuff, although the author is absolutely right that you almost always travel with a lot more than you need. I like large cities more than the author, mostly because larger cities have more English speaking people so they are significantly less isolating. In larger cities it&#x27;s nicer to have more clothing (and shoe) choices. I travel with a 55L osprey bag. I put all my electronics and papers in the day bag, and in the main bag I have clothes shoes and toiletries. If you know you are going to a single climate, you can pack less, but if you are going to both hot and cold places, you will want to pack more. The size of your pack mainly determines the rate of your laundromat trips and number of times you have to wait at baggage claim.<p>If you are an American tech worker, your credit card is almost certainly better than cash anywhere you can use it. I could also withdrawal cash from ATMs at the official forex exchange rate with my bank card. You do have to be very careful because all forms of payment will ask if you want to pay in local currency or your own currency. If you choose to pay in your own currency, you will be charged a predatory exchange rate, so you must always pay (or atm withdrawal) in the local currency. I left the US with $400USD and came back with $300USD after a full year of travel abroad, I gained a lot of peace of mind from traveling with cash I wouldn&#x27;t be heartbroken to lose and electronics (chromebook) that I didn&#x27;t particular care if they were stolen or destroyed.<p>After traveling without valuable items, I did feel mildly deprived. I would put a grand or two aside as &quot;just the cost of traveling&quot; money and use that as my &quot;bad things happen sometimes&quot; budget to get peace of mind about having valuable stuff in poor areas. If nothing bad happens, call it karma and donate it to a good cause.<p>The author talked about visas. The hardest problem for me was that countries wanted round trip tickets. They wanted a ticket showing you were going to leave the country. This can often be circumvented by buying a $10 bus ticket out of the country. That&#x27;s the only way I found to reliably purchase one way tickets to various countries ad hoc.<p>&gt; When I decided to go to Vietnam, everything and everyone told me to go to Ho Chi Minh City. It had better food. More art. More high culture. Less government. So I went to Hanoi.<p>I experienced this when I visited Vietnam as well. I thought Ho Chi Mihn felt kind of empty and not too different from other major cities. Hanoi was a wonderful city and felt much more lively. I liked Da Nang a fair amount as well.<p>A lot of the authors post can be summarized fairly succinctly:<p>If you want to grow as a person, you need to be uncomfortable. So don&#x27;t optimize for comfort.<p>You can choose big comfortable cities with comfortable sights, comfortable food choices, and comfortable companions, but that won&#x27;t lead to personal growth.
blacklion超过 2 年前
Hanoi as off-beaten path in Vietnam? Ok, I see what you did here.
woevdbz超过 2 年前
Next level: do this but as a woman and try not to get harassed
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WirelessGigabit超过 2 年前
Am I the only one that gets bored on vacation?<p>Like I go hiking. Wake up, go hiking, spend 8 hours away, go home, and then ... what do I do after that? I cannot sit still. So I end up being on my laptop.
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technoooooost超过 2 年前
Since when hallucinogens kill you?
reedf1超过 2 年前
I have a song for you, Common People...
soared超过 2 年前
One sentence in and the article is already waving its cringe flag proudly.<p>&gt; I don’t travel like most people do<p>The author follows that up by saying they’d rather travel to a place like Indianapolis than NYC. In your words author, enjoy spending 4 weeks in Indianapolis living out of your book bag, not doing trips to other cities, sampling the local restaurants of Applebees and chilis, all while using the glorious public transit they have to offer.
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yosito超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been traveling out of carryon luggage for almost 15 years, and I really disagree with a lot of the stuff in this post. I find many of the people who say &quot;I&#x27;m traveling like a local not a tourist&quot; to be at least slightly self-deceiving. You&#x27;re a goddamned tourist, whether you go to restaurants with good reviews or not. The packing tips here are utter nonsense, as well as the suggestion that you get better exchange rates with cash than with credit cards.
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tayo42超过 2 年前
This idea that nyc isn&#x27;t real America and some fly over country city bugs me a lot. Its marketing that says NYC isn&#x27;t authentic.<p>if you say something like<p>&gt; They’ve got such a strong self-image, a strong desire to be seen as special, that many residents have become actors playing NYC, or LA.<p>Then claim your traveling like a real local, i cant help but feel your kind of full of it. If this is your take away, you didn&#x27;t travel like a local, you didn&#x27;t meet enough new yorkers. Probably met an extroverted transplant and judged from there. A small part of what makes up a place like NYC. Its like someone is looking to feed their bias about what a place should be like.<p>&gt;Cities where the residents are more focused on living their life, for themselves, not for a global audience.<p>This is what NYC is. 10 million people, and you think they&#x27;re putting on a show for a global audience?<p>Be a local always bugged me. Its seem to always be followed up by, hang out in dive bars and crappy restaurants and do poverty things. I&#x27;m local, my friends are local. We don&#x27;t hang out in dive bars, or eat at crappy restaurants. Why would i think that is the thing to do in another country? After traveling a bit, if you cant speak the local language you&#x27;ll never understand what its like to be local or understand their life.<p>I can rant more i guess but w&#x2F;e
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elif超过 2 年前
All this to say &quot;I&#x27;m a contrarian&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t think most people legitimately enjoy &quot;empty military museums&quot; &quot;walking across town aimlessly twice&quot; &quot;visiting in bad weather&quot; &quot;watching bad soccer matches&quot; &quot;eating at the same place three quarters of meals for 8 weeks&quot;<p>I do 4-8 month backpacking trips semi-regularly and try to visit new countries whenever possible... But even I can&#x27;t find a single piece of appreciable advice from this whole read.
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draw_down超过 2 年前
Rick Steves said something like this once, about trying to get the essence of a place. I think maybe there’s no use avoiding that wherever you go there you are.<p>I remember his adamance that he would never drink a beer in some Italian place, because people there drink red wine. Meanwhile I’m pretty sure you can find plenty of people around Italy who enjoy a beer, or slivovitz or whatever.<p>Not only that but you’re <i>not</i> a local- and so what? Travel, that is to say seeing other parts of the world than one’s own, need not involve an attempt at escaping into some other life.