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Five billion phones to be thrown away in 2022?

103 点作者 kitkat_new超过 2 年前

23 条评论

whimsicalism超过 2 年前
Five billion seems extremely high - are there really people who go through so many phones in a year that they raise the number up to this?
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crazygringo超过 2 年前
Honestly, I find it really hard to get worked up about cell phone e-waste in the grand scheme of environmental issues.<p>People seem to confuse the cost of something new with the harm in throwing it away -- they get upset about $250 AirPods not getting recycled, while they don&#x27;t give a second thought to throwing away a couple pairs of $1 AAA batteries, when it&#x27;s about the same level of landfill impact.<p>Or in this case, they think there&#x27;s something wrong with throwing away a 5 oz (140 g) cell phone, but don&#x27;t feel particularly bad when they finally dispose of an old 50 lb (22 kg) air conditioner -- or a 3,000 lb (1,360 kg) car. (Using these numbers, <i>one</i> car is the same mass of material as almost <i>10,000</i> phones.)<p>Putting it into perspective, cell phones are <i>nothing</i>. There&#x27;s more glass used to make a jar of peanut butter, and you throw away more plastic after a family-sized Chinese takeout meal.<p>And yes if there are precious metals inside that can be recovered, then let&#x27;s recover those -- but only if it&#x27;s economical. Because that&#x27;s a pure question of economics. We don&#x27;t need to be &quot;virtuous&quot; -- if markets really think the metal is going to be that valuable because we&#x27;re going to run out, then they will pay you accordingly handsomely for your old broken phones. But it doesn&#x27;t seem like we&#x27;ve reached that point yet, because nobody&#x27;s paying anything.
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lizardactivist超过 2 年前
Recycling and buying renewed or refurbished phones is good, but the fact that many phones are unsupported after three or sometimes even two years is a problem.<p>Qualcomm has been a big culprit in this for many years now. They refuse to support their chipsets for too long, because they can reduce expenses not having to maintain them, and more importantly they make more money selling more chipsets to manufacturers.
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lupire超过 2 年前
The ody clearly contradicts the headline:<p>&gt; There are an estimated 16 billion mobile phones worldwide - and in Europe, almost a third are no longer in use.<p>So that&#x27;s 5B <i>total</i>, not in 2022.<p>Then the article goes on to conflate &quot;hoarded at home&quot; from &quot;trashed&quot;.
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CamelCaseName超过 2 年前
Where is the true source of this statistic?<p>The article cites WEEE forum, but taking a look at a WEEE forum blog post on the topic [0], it says:<p>&gt; Experts expect roughly 5.3 billion mobile &#x2F; smartphones will drop out of use this year.<p>Who are these experts? Where are these numbers coming from? Maybe I&#x27;m missing it, but no one is cited for the stat.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weee-forum.org&#x2F;ws_news&#x2F;of-16-billion-mobile-phones-possessed-worldwide-5-3-billion-will-become-waste-in-2022&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weee-forum.org&#x2F;ws_news&#x2F;of-16-billion-mobile-phones-p...</a>
kornhole超过 2 年前
We need modular phones like the frame.work laptop. This is possible with some limitations, but Apple and others will not make as much money. Battery replacement is a no brainer, but why can&#x27;t the camera and other components be a module to remove and replace when a new one is released?
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throwawaaarrgh超过 2 年前
Recycle your electronics: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.consumerreports.org&#x2F;recycling&#x2F;how-to-recycle-electronics-a7432818850&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.consumerreports.org&#x2F;recycling&#x2F;how-to-recycle-ele...</a><p>I bought a certified refurbished phone recently that works as good as new (with a new battery) but is cheaper than a new phone. Even has a new IMEI. The side effect is it&#x27;s better for the environment. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samsung.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;smartphones&#x2F;certified-re-newed-phones&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samsung.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;smartphones&#x2F;certified-re-newed-ph...</a>
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josephcsible超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve only ever thrown away phones for two reasons:<p>1. Part of the phone (e.g., the battery, charging port, or screen) stopped working, and getting it repaired either was impossible or cost as much as buying a new phone did.<p>2. The manufacturer stopped releasing software updates, and due to things like SafetyNet, locked bootloaders, or lack of open-source drivers, nobody else could step up to do so.<p>If both of those problems went away, I can see myself using the same phone for a decade or more.
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esturk超过 2 年前
A public campaign can be created to increase people&#x27;s involvement such as the Olympics. Both the Tokyo Olympic Medals[1] and to a lesser degree the Rio Olympic Medals were made from recycled electronics.<p>The interesting part about the Tokyo 2020 Medals was that it was done through a public donation effort. All it took was less than 50,000 tons of junk devices. Now just imagine how many precious medals are wasted according to the article with 74 million tons a year!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;sport&#x2F;2019&#x2F;feb&#x2F;08&#x2F;olympics-medals-recycled-gadgets-electronic-waste" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;sport&#x2F;2019&#x2F;feb&#x2F;08&#x2F;olympics-medal...</a>
mistrial9超过 2 年前
back-story-anecdote: during graduate school, this issue rose to the top of &quot;green environmental impacts of computer use&quot; .. in 2007 as part of an invited gathering at Google Mtn View, a speaker stood on the podium in front of about 100 googlers of various stripes, and gave a ten minute presentation on E-Waste, the BAN network, efforts in California to make an electronics recycling system (CRTs were first), disposable flip-phones, persistant heavy metals in the food chain, and a bit more.. the punchline was &quot;this group has a special responsibility&quot; ..<p>end-result? 2007 credit crisis, Google make more billions, almost fifty percent of small business recyclers in California go broke due to cash flow, and E-Waste volumes doubled, and doubled again. Zero traction, zero commitment, lots of Teslas. Later, Apple made some apparently superficial commitments. This is in the most &quot;green&quot; plus most &quot;tech&quot; center of the USA.<p>bitterly disappointing that the wealth of the tech industry sat on its hands, because product liability is a third-rail in consumer products of all kinds.. it is not in the news, it is not discussed, and meaningful legislation -- a lot like gambling -- is deeply and quietly dismantled behind closed doors.<p>Very few bright spots and much more waste, every year, year after year. It is not just recycling, it is a right to re-use, making designs that include user serviceable parts, and enabling <i>some kind</i> of consumer to industry return route.
recycledmatt超过 2 年前
There are serious problems e-scrap recyclers are looking at, but this is repeating old statistics, and has no clue of what the industry is facing.<p>A decade ago, it was all about what we would do with CRTs.<p>Five years ago, it was that the value of circuit boards was dropping and lcd mercury containing materials.<p>Now, it is what will happen with all these batteries and the percentage of plastics by weight of the pounds handled are going up significantly. CRT glass or mercury capacity is not an issue any more.<p>The stream changes rapidly, and recyclers adapt.
akomtu超过 2 年前
Think of this e-waste as a giant wheel made of phones and other electronics: this wheel gets pushed by billions of users, driven by the need to look better than others, and the electricity the wheel produces is the profits that feed the rich, who are driven by greed. Both users and owners are blinded by desires. The by-product of this curious process is waste all over the planet.
stainablesteel超过 2 年前
for those who might not be aware, recycling rare earth metals from various forms of tech is actually a geopolitical struggle of the west<p>china has the largest and only deposit of a high number of rare earth metals on the planet within their borders, any kind of political discontention could mean being cut off from this supply. and they&#x27;re invaluable for multiple layers of modern society.<p>if you feel this isn&#x27;t a problem, just remember europe didn&#x27;t feel being reliant on russian gas was a problem either and they&#x27;re going to be feeling the repercussions this winter
ge96超过 2 年前
I recently bought a vintage computer (made in late 90s). It&#x27;s cool but useless today. I always think about that with regard to e waste like &quot;it could be used&quot; but no not really. Maybe you could power a bunch of them&#x2F;distributed compute but is it worth it. &quot;Give them to a poor country&quot; like they want your old tech?<p>Idk I think about minimalism eg. have only one computer vs. a few that each get used a few times. But that&#x27;s the beauty of having the ability to buy things too.
WirelessGigabit超过 2 年前
I wonder how many phones are thrown out because of software that seems to get more and more resource hungry because they’re developed by people who don’t realize the cost of every library they import.<p>Think about it, from a normal usage perspective, the iPhone gotten a LOT faster, but apart from camera improvements is the mail app really better? Or Messages? Facebook? No. In fact a lot of apps just have gotten slower.<p>Not to mention the slowness because of all the timeout my iPhone hits because I use Pi-hole.
nokya超过 2 年前
I have five smartphones in my drawer, all in perfect condition except for a battery that won&#x27;t hold more than two to three hours.<p>I wish I could at least buy battery replacements and change it easily.<p>The other problem is the selling cost: whoever I will sell the smartphone to will very likely not keep it and sell it right away to someone else in need, at a higher cost. I may be alone on this but that disturbs me to the highest level and I end up keeping them in my drawers.
tuatoru超过 2 年前
Well, that answers a question I had.<p>To power the world on PV, we need to make about 2 billion panels a year. My question was &quot;I wonder how many cellphones are made per year?&quot;
t0bia_s超过 2 年前
I have my old phones in box. I will try fix them when I find same devices elsewhere.<p>Also... There are no motivation to bring old phones somewhere for recycling. At least in my country only one motivation was to bring old phone to store for having ridiculous sale for new one. That is, for me, still consumerism over recycling.
LaurensBER超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s such a shame that there isn&#x27;t a larger community around reusing&#x2F;recycling these old phones. Most of the recentish phones contain hardware that performs far better than e.g a Rasberry Pi (plus a screen, camera and built-in UPS) and they are far easier to find than a Rasberry Pi.<p>With a bit of tinkering one can run a &quot;full&quot; Linux distribution on Android phones (although hardware acceleration is a bit wonky and definitely not plug and play) and due to the size, Wifi, 3G&#x2F;4G and battery they make excellent little servers. I have an older phone running as an ARM server with a 10 buck&#x2F;month sim-card with unlimited data. Unless my house burns down or it crashes it should get a fairly good uptime. Getting a dedicated server with UPS and a 4G modem would be far more expensive and worse for the environment!<p>Here&#x27;s some links to help you get started (from my personal notes):<p>## Running Linux<p>- [Installation &amp; Usage - udroid wiki](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;udroid-rc.gitbook.io&#x2F;udroid-wiki&#x2F;udroid-landing&#x2F;quick-installation-and-usage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;udroid-rc.gitbook.io&#x2F;udroid-wiki&#x2F;udroid-landing&#x2F;quic...</a>)<p>- [Get Started - Andronix Documentation](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.andronix.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.andronix.app&#x2F;</a>)<p>- [Running Debian Linux on Android device natively | by The Quantified VC | Medium](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@quantvc&#x2F;running-debian-on-android-device-natively-73545c9b0757" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@quantvc&#x2F;running-debian-on-android-device...</a>)<p>- [GitHub - adi1090x&#x2F;termux-desktop: Setup A Beautiful Desktop&#x2F;GUI In Termux](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adi1090x&#x2F;termux-desktop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adi1090x&#x2F;termux-desktop</a>)<p>- [Graphical Environment - Termux Wiki](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.termux.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Graphical_Environment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.termux.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Graphical_Environment</a>)<p>- [GitHub - RandomCoderOrg&#x2F;ubuntu-on-android: Run Ubuntu with pre-installed Desktop Environments in android&#x2F;termux with ease! Everything is preinstalled so just download install and done](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;RandomCoderOrg&#x2F;ubuntu-on-android" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;RandomCoderOrg&#x2F;ubuntu-on-android</a>)<p>### Hardware acceleration<p>- [GitHub - termux&#x2F;termux-x11: Termux X11 add-on application. Still in early development.](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;termux&#x2F;termux-x11" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;termux&#x2F;termux-x11</a>)<p>- [Termux GPU Hardware Acceleration Tutorial | Ivon&#x27;s Blog](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ivonblog.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;posts&#x2F;termux-compile-mesa-driver&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ivonblog.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;posts&#x2F;termux-compile-mesa-driver&#x2F;</a>)<p>- [How to use Termux X11 - The XWayand server on Android phone | Ivon&#x27;s Blog](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ivonblog.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;posts&#x2F;termux-x11&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ivonblog.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;posts&#x2F;termux-x11&#x2F;</a>)<p>### Docker<p>- [Install Docker on Termux · GitHub](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;oofnikj&#x2F;e79aef095cd08756f7f26ed244355d62" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;oofnikj&#x2F;e79aef095cd08756f7f26ed24435...</a>)<p>- [Package request: Docker engine · Issue #60 · termux&#x2F;termux-root-packages · GitHub](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;termux&#x2F;termux-root-packages&#x2F;issues&#x2F;60" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;termux&#x2F;termux-root-packages&#x2F;issues&#x2F;60</a>)<p>- [This tutorial shows how to run docker natively on Android, without VMs and chroot. · GitHub](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;FreddieOliveira&#x2F;efe850df7ff3951cb62d74bd770dce27" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;FreddieOliveira&#x2F;efe850df7ff3951cb62d...</a>)<p>It&#x27;s also very easy to hookup a Bluetooth controller + [cheap dock](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aliexpress.com&#x2F;item&#x2F;1005003527044516.html?algo_exp_id=4f6fc362-4480-40a6-9a09-2e4621f58e5b-9&amp;pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000026177180267%22%7D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aliexpress.com&#x2F;item&#x2F;1005003527044516.html?algo_exp_i...</a>) (not supported on all models but Samsung, Motorola and Huawei do usually have pretty good support) and use them for emulation purposes as well.<p>How capable? An Samsung Galaxy S9 (from 2019) will be able to emulate the following systems:<p>- Gamecube (up-scaling in light games)<p>- PS2 (fractional (e.g 1.5x) up-scaling in light&#x2F;medium games)<p>- PSP (up-scaling in most games)<p>- Dreamcast (up-scaling in most games)<p>- PSX (up-scaling in all games)<p>- N64 (up-scaling in all games)<p>IMHO a far better solution (both from a cost and environmental perspective) than a Playstation or SNES Mini console.<p>Added bonus is the lower power consumption that it&#x27;s very easy to take with you if you&#x27;re travelling :)
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Overtonwindow超过 2 年前
Unfortunately the amount of recoverable material from a phone is negligible. It’s very difficult to recycle phones because first you have to remove the battery.
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keepquestioning超过 2 年前
Why cant the waste phones be put into a massive cluster to work on protein folding or hard problems?
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Waterluvian超过 2 年前
This is like the moronic replacement of plastic straws in Ontario.<p>The paper straws work for many drinks but for some, like Iced Capps, they disintegrate half way through the beverage.<p>The frustration is that they’re making life stupider in order to harness a drop in the bucket of change. Go clean up the fishing industry’s colossal waste first.
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2OEH8eoCRo0超过 2 年前
Lovely.<p>These companies should skip a year rather than brag about using 20% recycled aluminum.