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Being Arrogantly Ignorant

33 点作者 larve超过 2 年前

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gregjor超过 2 年前
Sorry, but the article seems like an expression of imposter syndrome and excessive worry about what other people think or say. In this case the other people mainly consist of anonymous critics and &quot;gatekeepers&quot; online. Why hitch your identity or sense of worth to a programming language or tool? Why get upset about people who have different opinions when you can just as well choose to ignore them?<p>If you can add value for your employer or customers and make a living, which language or tools you use to do that makes no difference. Pick any language, tool, style of work and you can find people who criticize it. So what? How does random criticism rise to gatekeeping?<p>The job market has tightened up because of economic changes and worry that money will get tighter. That affects most sectors, not just tech or programming. If you read HN you know that many companies have hiring freezes, people have or will soon get laid off, and good jobs get scarce with more competition. That has nothing to do with gatekeeping or programmers who look down on PHP. The programming business goes through booms and busts for reasons that have nothing to do with programming languages.<p>I have used PHP for years, since it came out and offered an alternative to Perl CGI scripts, ASP, and Cold Fusion. It gets the job done. It has some problems. I don&#x27;t use PHP exclusively, I don&#x27;t think of or call myself a &quot;PHP programmer,&quot; and I don&#x27;t care that some programmers hate it, whether out of experience or ignorance. My customers don&#x27;t care about that, they have business problems to solve, a budget and schedule, and don&#x27;t read language flame wars. Focus on finding work rather than complaining about job ads and PHP haters.<p>Sifting through job postings online and filling out applications describes one of the least effective and most time-consuming ways to find work.
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aliqot超过 2 年前
Just because we are developers, we are not immune from humanity. Tribalism is a survival trait inherent to our species, we will oft apply it where it has very little utility.<p>That being said, I guess what I&#x27;m trying to say is, I think we can all agree that people who don&#x27;t like Perl are lesser nerds, unworthy of our kinship.
bee_rider超过 2 年前
&gt; Off-handedly rejecting PHP, Java, WordPress, Javascript, and other oft-criticized languages and frameworks is a sign of a closed mind; of willing ignorance.<p>No, we should gatekeep Javascript. It is an annoying trap laid on websites that is sprung just by going there. The profusion of Javascript has made the internet much worse. It used to at least be possible to just turn off Javascript and ignore that whole scene. So we did, it took over the internet, and now we have to either give up or play the annoying selective script blocking game to get 95% of websites to work.<p>I&#x27;m all for not judging others -- Wordpress, Java, PHP, use whatever platform you want, have fun! On your computer.
curtisblaine超过 2 年前
&gt; It is hard to stress how transformative this can be for marginalized communities and people in countries outside of western Europe and the US<p>These kind of takes, where &quot;marginalized&quot; is used to arbitrarily police whatever behaviour the authors doesn&#x27;t like, contribute to render online discourse the insufferable hell it has become in the last 10 years.<p>I&#x27;m sorry, I won&#x27;t refrain from criticizing a technology I don&#x27;t like because a strawman member of a &quot;marginalized community&quot; could get discouraged from learning said technology. That&#x27;s just... madness.
1letterunixname超过 2 年前
How do I&#x2F;we&#x2F;you unflag this? It&#x27;s an apropos topic worth discussing.<p>I notice it where I work to an extreme degree (MAANG).<p>There is no value in holding religious opinions about any particular tool in the toolbox independent of use. But, there are individuals who throw their weight around with smartaleck negativity and many worship them as a result. I posit that people who cannot backup their claims with data or a survey of concrete experiences are selling their ego over engineering discipline. Arrogance isn&#x27;t a signal of quality of anything beside arrogance. You&#x27;d be surprised how many over-confident people crash into hubris be it a startup product no one wanted or get sloppy with hiring based on trickery or trivia. Get too cocky and the Sword of Damocles of karma, life, or social capital is waiting to chop those who get &quot;too big for their britches&quot;. (2022 cross-cultural context: it&#x27;s an idiom of people who believe themselves to be 3 meters tall. I&#x27;m surprised it&#x27;s recorded as an Australian saying when my 8th generation Irish-American grandfather said it in Texas. Australia is the Commonwealth&#x27;s &quot;Texas&quot;, I guess.).
engineerDave超过 2 年前
I mock languages because they&#x27;ve caused me enormous pain at some point, not &quot;offhandedly&quot;. Their scorn is deserved.
trasz超过 2 年前
&gt;A tool with 200,000 users and 500 contributors will quickly become better than something maintained by 3 people in academia.<p>No, quite the opposite - in most cases a decade later that tool will be an abandoned pile of technological debt.
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captainthrow超过 2 年前
Can we change the title to something like “PHP is good despite the nay-says”? The title as it is is writing cheques that the article can’t cash.
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PhasmaFelis超过 2 年前
Hating a language is not <i>at all</i> the same thing as hating its users.<p>PHP is an awful mess, and the fact that it&#x27;s a common tool for budding web devs makes that <i>worse,</i> not better. New coders should not have to learn to navigate that pile to get anything done. I feel for them because I&#x27;ve <i>been</i> them.
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