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Some people who appear to be in a coma may be conscious

245 点作者 TeacherTortoise超过 2 年前

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neonate超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20221022165927&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;some-people-who-appear-to-be-in-a-coma-may-actually-be-conscious&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20221022165927&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scien...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;Mlwn6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;Mlwn6</a>
techdragon超过 2 年前
This is why I have on multiple occasions told people “I know it sounds stupid but if I’m ever in a coma, do not dare pull the fucking plug on me without an FMRI scan to look for any brain response to the outside world”<p>I can only imagine how much it could suck to be like this, but the idea of being conscious and realising that I have no way to tell them I’m “in here” while they assume I’m never going to recover and pull the plug, slowly dying of dehydration or hypoxia, that is fucking Nightmare Fuel with a capital N capital F, as in No Fucking Way I ever want that to happen.<p>I have made it clear on multiple occasions that I don’t care what you do once I’m definitely dead, but if you don’t make fucking sure to the best of science’s ability to check, … not just accepting the doctor saying I’m not responsive and I’m probably gone… if there’s an afterlife I will haunt them, If not I want them to know how much I disapprove and wish their children and children’s children will look upon the decision to not even check I’m alive with the utmost disapproval.<p>It’s not fucking hard to check if there’s any brain activity in response to talking or touching or opening eyelids and holding things up in front of them… the alternative feels too monstrous to contemplate. We don’t exactly have dozens of stable coma patients who aren’t already likely to die from other issues related to injuries, etc… it really should be mandatory for stable coma patients to be rigorously scanned to make sure we aren’t accidentally murdering people like this…<p>Also in case anyone mistakes my phrasing as some sort of pro-life or anti-suicide thing… their body their choise… and I also fully support the right of any locked in person (among many other miserable conditions that also seem fair to allow medical suicide for) to say “fuck it, I’m out, this isn’t living” and be allowed medically assisted suicide, but they at least deserve to choose that to themselves. Hell.. I know I’d want the choice if I was in their shoes. Anyone that thinks someone should be <i>forced</i> to live like that should get their head examined.
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seanhunter超过 2 年前
A schoolfriend was in a coma for a while after a sports injury[1]. He told us how his parents brought a bottle of lucozade for him to have if he woke up and after they left he heard staff discussing how since he was never going to wake up they would just drink it themselves.<p>[1] Rugby scrum collapse
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gjsman-1000超过 2 年前
For more horror: There are stories of people who were legally brain dead who woke up - see Colleen Burns, for example. She woke up just before her organs were going to be removed for donation (quite literally under the surgical lights). The hospital was also fined for inexplicably (possibly maliciously) giving off-the-record sedatives when she started to show signs of life after the diagnosis - but she managed to wake up in time anyway. (It&#x27;s also why I&#x27;m not an organ donor - I&#x27;m scared I won&#x27;t actually be dead, and that the hospital is perhaps not the most impartial decision maker of whether I am dead.)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.syracuse.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;st_joes_fined_over_dead_patien.html#incart_m-rpt-2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.syracuse.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;st_joes_fined_over_dea...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;lifestyle&#x2F;health&#x2F;dead-patient-colleen-burns-wakes-amid-organ-donation-at-st-josephs-hospital-in-new-york&#x2F;news-story&#x2F;34528caaa27b635b4a349b37109dabdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.news.com.au&#x2F;lifestyle&#x2F;health&#x2F;dead-patient-collee...</a><p>See also Zack Dunlap, a 21-year-old man who claims to have heard the doctors pronounce his death - and also awoke very shortly before organ removal.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;wbna23768436" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;wbna23768436</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.today.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;pronounced-dead-man-takes-miraculous-turn-2D80555113" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.today.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;pronounced-dead-man-takes-miracul...</a><p>There are about a ~dozen others out there as well.
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cpeterso超过 2 年前
Hamilton&#x27;s Pharmacopeia did a show about people who could be temporarily woken from their comas by Ambien:<p>&gt; The first awakening occurred in 1999 when a man who had spent three years in a persistent vegetative state spontaneously regained consciousness after ingesting a 10mg tablet. Since then, hundreds of patients have experienced miraculous recoveries from traumatic brain injury using Ambien.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KTFicgrVk0w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KTFicgrVk0w</a>
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isx726552超过 2 年前
Surprised the article doesn’t mention “Ghost Boy” by Martin Pistorius, a first hand account of a patient who spent years in this state:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ghostboybook.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ghostboybook.com&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Martin_Pistorius" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Martin_Pistorius</a>
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pmoriarty超过 2 年前
This reminds me of <i>Johnny Got His Gun</i>[1], about a wounded war vet who&#x27;s locked in and unable to communicate with the outside world despite being conscious.<p>It&#x27;s a living nightmare.<p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Johnny_Got_His_Gun" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Johnny_Got_His_Gun</a>
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majestic5762超过 2 年前
Can say it&#x27;s true from my experience. My uncle cried and tried to grab my hand when he saw me near his hospital bed, even if he was in a coma. I&#x27;ve knew since then people might be awake even if we perceive then as vegetables
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aliqot超过 2 年前
The hardest part would be to see my family move on, my wife remarry, and eventually the last person leaves, hoping that my departure is swift. Then I just wait while the medical staff picks me clean of their burden.
PostOnce超过 2 年前
They told me my dad was brain-dead.<p>He wasn&#x27;t.<p>His wife was going to pull the plug, but during the week we were fighting over it, he began to be able to blink to communicate. He then said he did not want the plug pulled.<p>We should be more honest about how fuzzy and inaccurate our understanding of consciousness is right now, and not pretend that neuroscience is as mature as some other sciences.<p>We should also be more honest about the fact that many &quot;pull the plug&quot; conversations are about hospital expenses, not about science or ethics.
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SanjayMehta超过 2 年前
There are some things which are worse than death and this is one of them.
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DocJade超过 2 年前
Relevant: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;LTikuFFr7JA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;LTikuFFr7JA</a><p>It genuinely terrifies me that this could happen to anyone in a moments notice
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devteambravo超过 2 年前
Spent a month in a coma. Can confirm! (Anecdotally)
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dccoolgai超过 2 年前
My secret fear is that anaesthesia doesn&#x27;t make you lose consciousness, it just makes you forget.
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oneoff786超过 2 年前
It doesn’t really go into the patients’ accounts of what happens. Were they conscious or not?<p>It’s not obvious that they were by merely passing this covert consciousness test
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Borrible超过 2 年前
My studies on the subject, that is observations, experiments, exchanges with experts and reading of the relevant literature, have led me to the firm conviction that the normal case is the exact opposite.<p>Most people who appear to be conscious are not, for most of their lives.<p>However, I am also a cynic who threw away his lantern some time ago.
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sss111超过 2 年前
Why does the timestamp on the article say it was published on November 1, 2022. I&#x27;m not in the future, right? Someone help!
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barbariangrunge超过 2 年前
As a horror writer, I can’t help but wonder what sorts of stories this leads to, and what you might get wrong while writing about it…<p>By conscious, do they mean “aware”, or do they also mean “actively thinking about what they are experiencing” ? How often do they come out of it? Do they have clear memories of it?
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wildeye超过 2 年前
I have read about it in 2010 in the book &quot;Pictures of the Mind: What the New Neuroscience Tells Us About Who We Are&quot;<p>The reason i have bought this book was this sleep paralysis that I had that time.<p>I was thinking a lot how to help these people in comma. I have bought this eeg by emotive.<p>So my idea was that person who cant communicate with world but can hear us actually can communicate with us by thinking. So you need first to teach him morse code. Once he is ready you ask him to imagine he is walking for short on long period of time or he is lookong to the roght or left before deciding left is short right is long. His head with eeg let us interpretate the data.<p>So I was able to test it on myself. I wrote about it to some university but they nevere replayed me.
ChoGGi超过 2 年前
That&#x27;s my nightmare fuel.
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BrandoElFollito超过 2 年前
This is why I dream of a system that I could have as an implant and that would release a poison of I do not &quot;log&quot; every now and then.<p>I would absolutely prefer to be dead then to be in such a coma, or paralyzed. Or if I have Alzheimer.<p>The mere idea that there is a predictable end wild make it easier to go through that.
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chatterhead超过 2 年前
Awakenings (1990) was an interesting movie and I believe based on a true story. Sounds like the Ambien effects some folks are mentioning. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0099077" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0099077</a>
nonrandomstring超过 2 年前
Perhaps more worrying is the people who appear to be conscious but are actually in a coma. [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Qpn7C6r-WEM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Qpn7C6r-WEM</a> @ 7m20s
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warbler73超过 2 年前
Reminds me of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Terri_Schiavo_case" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Terri_Schiavo_case</a>
nr2x超过 2 年前
I’ve definitely seen the inverse to be true.
la64710超过 2 年前
Sad to think of all the lives we lost only if we knew then what we know now ……
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wseqyrku超过 2 年前
Yeah they should shoot them to avoid premature burial.
swader999超过 2 年前
I can confirm this.