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Graduate students question career options

181 点作者 clockworksoul超过 2 年前

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fluxem超过 2 年前
I got PhD and I am still not sure how I feel. It took me 6 years, a lot of doubts and putting my life on hold.<p>You never know if you will finish your PhD. In fact, 50% drop out. Imagine spending 4 years of your life and then quitting with little to show for it.<p>First of all, PhD is too long (in the US). You spend 1 - 1.5 years taking grad classes that have little relevance to your subfield. If you haven&#x27;t done research in undergrad, you spend the first year figuring out what is research. IF you did, there&#x27;s still a lot less hand-holding as a PhD researcher compared to an undergrad researcher.<p>Now let&#x27;s talk about research. First, you need to come up with a good idea that no one thought of it before. This requires understanding of all the previous research.<p>Then you try to implement the idea. Even if you implemented everything correctly, if your method is not better than the state of the art, you just wasted your time. (Of course, you need to implement the state of the art also)<p>Do you want to become a professor? Forget about. There are so many bright PhDs competing for a few academic openings. Even if you become a professor, it will take 10 years and a lot of work to get tenure. And if you finally become a professor, the pay is terrible compared to the industry.<p>I&#x27;m not even talking about PhD in other subfields like Physics, where people become Google&#x27;s SWE after finishing their PhD. Such a waste.
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version_five超过 2 年前
I did a PhD. It was the most interesting and productive time of my life|*<p>Aside from actually enjoying the work, I had a salary &#x2F; scholarship that where I went to school was the same or more than most of my peers who went right to work made (because of tax implications), and when I got a job, I got a better one than I would have otherwise. Plus, many people I started school with had barely finished their undergrad by the time I was done a PhD because of the usual breaks and major changes and failing courses and stuff.<p>I&#x27;m not saying this to brag (I&#x27;ve made all sorts of terrible choices since then), only to say that it&#x27;s possible to do a PhD, have fun (specifically in the sense of learn cool stuff, although I enjoyed the social life), and not make a &quot;sacrifice&quot; in terms of money or starting a career. It&#x27;s like any other job. You can make all kinds of early career decisions that help or hinder you later, generalizing a &quot;phd&quot; as some specific thing doesn&#x27;t work<p>* (I like to think I&#x27;m coming back to another such period 15+ years later, but anyway)
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chihuahua超过 2 年前
I got a Ph.D. in computer science a long time ago, and I think it was the worst mistake of my life. 6 years wasted, for no obvious benefit. I don&#x27;t know why I did it, other than wanting to learn more computer science stuff. And I think I could have learned a lot more by just working in the industry.
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_gmax0超过 2 年前
I do sympathize for many graduate students who are chasing dreams of making a contribution in their fields and to push the edge ever so slightly, not pursuing graduate school purely for vanity sake.<p>But it&#x27;s apparent to me that academia is straining under the system in which it exists. Incentives are misaligned, from the bottom of the hierarchy to the top. Economic strain puts pressure to produce rushed research, at the expense of PIs and the students and limits the allocations of grants to proven institutions and individuals.<p>The issue is so complicated that I don&#x27;t even know where to begin to address it without sounding like a Kacyznski-nut. From a naturalist&#x27;s perspective, maybe this was bound to happen as &#x27;real&#x27; innovation dries up.<p>It seems that the only rational conditions to pursue a graduate degree in this economic climate is 1) purely for intellectual reasons, the challenge and the growth, 2) to put a small pimple on the butt of your field and given that it takes off, pick the fruits until the tree is bare. To expect glory and honor is setting yourself up for bitterness and from a purely vocational perspective, many have remarked at the negative opportunity cost.
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zinxq超过 2 年前
A Ph.D. really is about the journey. I&#x27;d be surprised if anyone ever thought it represented more money. It&#x27;s unlikely to matter for that.<p>The time I spent getting a Ph.D. was one of the best times of my life. Not just the work, but the environment, the other people in the same situation, and the personal growth. I pursued it because 1) I really did love learning about Computers, and 2) I just loved the University environment. Every time I &quot;graduated&quot; I just signed up again for the next degree.<p>I never thought much about &quot;using it&quot; after I got it. I think it got me a higher starting title at a company or two and impressed a few (probably easily impressed) people along the way. I think the most measurable* impact however was listing it on my dating profile.<p>Again - it was a journey worth taking without much thought of the destination.<p>*Note, I said &quot;measurable&quot;, not &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot;
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supernova87a超过 2 年前
I think part of the problem for current graduate students (well, for the last generation or so) is that while the past idea &#x2F; lore of graduate school modeled by mentors (professors, parents) was built on a growing post-war pyramid of faculty jobs and research opportunities, now it has become a saturated pyramid in many fields. So then students find themselves not competing easily for a growing number of jobs, but waiting to see which senior professor retires or dies and opens up a spot. Or else leave for industry. And woe to those who go into fields where there is not a lot of industry to exit to.<p>You&#x27;ve probably heard in your field of the old professors who got a faculty job after one postdoc, or even out of grad school? Well, those days of yore are long gone. And don&#x27;t think that it was just because they were incredibly smart (well, some of course were) but that the field had ripe jobs for them to fill. Do you see some colleagues going to &quot;odd&quot; countries for positions lately? It&#x27;s where the money is -- we just didn&#x27;t realize in the past it actually was tied to where the money was (hidden in the form of jobs).<p>Anyway, also now it has almost become a baseline credential for certain jobs or advancement (like college), further filling up the pipeline with competitors for those jobs.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, for some people graduate school can be great, a great time to explore and satisfy an intellect that wants to gather and contribute to knowledge. But for others, the idea of graduate school is no longer what it was. You&#x27;re in for a multiple-postdoc, where-is-this-going-on-the-faculty-track questioned existence, seemingly at the whim of advisors who hardly have time to spend on helping your career.<p>Of course, it varies by field. Chemical engineering, probably ok no matter how relatively bad it seems. Astronomy? Not so much. Biology? Better exits, but you&#x27;re also competing against everyone who can afford a hot plate and PCR rig. Computer science &#x2F; ML? Your competition is every student in China who has access to a couple hundred hours of GPU time. (exaggerating a bit of course)<p>Just go into it knowing the situation.
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zzda超过 2 年前
I&#x27;d been working as a research assistant in a university lab during and after my undergraduate degree, for about a year, and my supervisor was trying to convince me to do a PhD with him.<p>However, I&#x27;d already had several months of getting to know PhD students there and in neighbouring labs, and it made me realise two things. Firstly, how much stress and long working hours they were all enduring. Secondly, for many of them, how fascinated they seemed with their research topics despite this.<p>I quickly realised I didn&#x27;t really give much of a shit about doing any more of this research, at least not compared to the obsessive PhD students I was working alongside, and ended up pivoting to a vulnerability research career instead. Which has been much, much more rewarding and interesting than anything I was doing previously.<p>I&#x27;m incredibly glad I didn&#x27;t get stuck wasting my life away in academia, which for a time seemed like the default path to take. For a while afterwards I felt like I&#x27;d let myself down somehow by not continuing along this path, but I look back in relief knowing now what a nonsense attitude that was.
j7ake超过 2 年前
I did a PhD and it completely changed my trajectory in life.<p>I would maybe compare the academic path to more like a start up life : most fail, but you will learn a lot and you will be in charge of your own destiny.<p>Of course the pay and living can be brutal depending on where you choose to do your PhD. But there are phd programs that pay a generous wage (with benefits like health care and retirement) at affordable cities.<p>I am happy I was able to roll the dice with academia. If it didn’t work out I would still be doing fine in industry.
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flownoon超过 2 年前
I got a PhD in 2.5 years (already had a masters), a very fast amount of time, and the advice I always give people is “pick a program with clear deliverables.”<p>My advisor said that after publishing 3 articles in good journals, I was done. So I was very motivated, had a clear target, and had a more satisfying and quick experience than probably 98% of PhD students.<p>I looked at programs in more attractive locations and at better rated schools, where they said essentially “you are done when we feel like you are done”. I turned them down and it was a fantastic decision.
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atty超过 2 年前
I find it interesting how many articles and people on HN say something similar. I had basically the opposite thoughts (and outcomes) from my PhD. I loved the 5 years I spent in my program, I learned a ton about super interesting topics, I learned a ton of very applicable skills, I met and befriended many extremely intelligent and kind individuals, and I immediately got a job after graduating. I’m still at that job, and it’s amazing, 2 and a half years later. (And I didn’t do my work at an Ivy League or anything, I was at Wayne State in Detroit).<p>Frankly, the only thing I wish I would have realized beforehand is that you’re basically forming your young adult friend group with a bunch of people who are going to be spread out over the globe in ~5 years. That part is hard. Everything else was great.
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gtmitchell超过 2 年前
Also, remember the survivorship bias inherent in surveys like this. They rarely capture the very large portion of graduate students who leave their program without a degree.<p>I was one of those, and it’s really difficult for me to look back and see anything positive in the experience. I’m sure if the opinions of dropouts were included, you’d get an even bleaker view of the value of going to graduate school.
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btrettel超过 2 年前
I love research, but I hated most of my PhD.<p>&quot;Publish or perish&quot; attitudes caused a lot of friction for me. I try to be more careful in my research than most, and I don&#x27;t care too much about the sheer number of papers I publish. One great paper beats 100 average papers.<p>I also think that the (practical) requirement to bring in external funding severely limits what research can be done. There are a lot of great ideas that don&#x27;t sound good to people in control of money.<p>My day job doesn&#x27;t involve any research now. I do research on the side. I am glad that I can do research at my own pace and don&#x27;t have to ask permission from others before doing research. The main problem is that I don&#x27;t have a lot of time for my research, but I&#x27;m hoping to switch to part-time eventually.
toddm超过 2 年前
I did a Ph.D. (chemistry) and a M.A. (geology), both at UT-Austin.<p>I have absolutely no regrets, and knew fully what I was signing up for, unlike many people who are featured in articles like the one referenced here: that is a little puzzling, since you are an adult when you embark on the graduate school journey, and there is no shortage of readily-available information about employability, salary, and so on.<p>But enough about the bewildered adults who awaken in the middle of their graduate program and wonder what happened and who to blame other than themselves.<p>Neither graduate degree cost me a dime, as tuition was waived (really, paid by advisor at an in-state rate) and I had combinations of research assistant (RA)&#x2F;teaching assistant (TA)&#x2F;fellowship the whole time. There was no assistance at any point from my family. I lived well in Austin in the 1990s, and had a great social life. It was great.<p>I knocked-out my Master&#x27;s in just over 2 years, then breezed through my Ph.D. in 4 years. I published 6 first-authored papers by graduation time. My advisers were both nice guys, not overly hands-on with career guidance but I was headed towards a tenure-track position anyway. Research projects were reasonable and that was why I was able to go through smoothly. That and I wasn&#x27;t walking around asking myself what the hell I was doing in grad school...anyway.<p>My postdoctoral fellowships - first at UCSF, then at Princeton - were great with the notable exception that the ~$30K&#x2F;year salaries did not go far in either location.<p>My tenure-track journey ended with an appointment as an Assistant Professor of Chemistry at a small school, and the salary was $52K&#x2F;9 months. I didn&#x27;t last long - those deferred student loans from undergrad were due, and the price was steep - but at the rate I was at, if I got a grant with summer salary, I was looking at $70K&#x2F;year.<p>Totally great experiences. Low salaries even now, and yes I don&#x27;t bring in big bucks but I&#x27;m not a SWE at a FAANG, but that&#x27;s not for me.<p>Highly recommended.
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randomsearch超过 2 年前
Having had a lot of experience of academia, I’m probably one its harshest critics.<p>But - I don’t regret the PhD. I learnt a lot of skills, learnt from other PhD students and postdocs.<p>I will say, make sure your supervisor is a nice person who does not place their career above all else. I was lucky with that, and I think finding such a person in academic is increasingly difficult. Never do a PhD with a supervisor you are unsure about.<p>Finish the PhD in 3 years (U.K.) and get the hell out. There is nothing left in academia for people who genuinely want to improve the world.<p>If your goal is getting paid a reasonable amount for a bit of a silly job, and you can tolerate or enjoy politics and game playing, that’s fine, stay. Hours are flexible, you can get away with not doing anything much at all for your career, and the pensions in the U.K. are still very generous. Over the summers most people don’t actually do any work.
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bcx超过 2 年前
I spent 3 years in a PhD program, like many of the posters it was one of the most fun experience of my life. I ended up dropping out to do Ycombinator, but it was an incredibly hard decision.<p>Like many things in life not all PhDs are created equal. In my program I was able to take classes across the University that helped broaden my narrow business &#x2F; computer science undergraduate experience. I was paid somewhere between 20-30K&#x2F;year, but was able to take graduate business, econ, architecture, anthropology, and computer science classes. I was able to publish papers and travel internationally. My peers were way smarter than me, and went on to find industry and academic jobs, a few dropped out like me and ended up building very successful careers.<p>In general my advice would be, find a program that suits your interest. The benefits of 3 years of largely self-directed learning is not for everyone, but can be an incredible way to grow. Also, your advisor will make or break your experience, I worked for an amazing guy, and still stay in touch, even after dropping out.
godelski超过 2 年前
As a grad student (ML) close to finishing I can say exactly what I want. I want to read math books, program, and publish slowly (papers + blogs) with meaningful and substantial work. I do not want to be chasing benchmarks or worrying about how to play the politics of paper publishing to get through the provably random[0][1][2] noise that is the review process. But no one is going to pay me for this, including academia. I know a lot of my peers are chasing big paychecks but I don&#x27;t understand why anyone would go through all this just for money. There&#x27;s much easier ways to make money. If you know of anyone that would actually hire me for this, please do let me know.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t regret doing my PhD. There is a lot of personal value in being able to (mostly) freely study a topic in extreme detail. Obviously you need some obsessive behavior to do this. The thing is that I just want to keep doing it. But with a focus on the learning and extending human knowledge part and cutting out the bullshit.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mrtz.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;12&#x2F;15&#x2F;the-nips-experiment.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mrtz.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;12&#x2F;15&#x2F;the-nips-experiment.html</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;inverseprobability.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;notes&#x2F;the-neurips-experiment-snsf.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;inverseprobability.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;notes&#x2F;the-neurips-exper...</a><p>[2] Personal experience: I&#x27;ve had reviewers state that a paper with &gt;100 citations is not useful to anyone while many of those citations are from hard sciences using it for explicitly the reason we made it. In another review round a reviewer asked us to include experiments comparing to our main comparitor, which was included in every single graph and table we had in the entire paper (no ability to respond). I&#x27;ve seen rampant abuse of the review system (ACs accepting and rejecting papers in weird ways), collusion rings, and overall benchmark chasing (which hinders a lot of research all together). We are encouraging lazy reviews, everyone agrees, but few are actively trying to make a difference. The worst part of this is that the people hurt the most by these actions are in fact the grad students. Their graduations depend on top tier publications and their ability to get their first jobs highly depend on their top tier publications. Ironically being hired by people who actively discuss issues with the publication system and how much noise there is. It is frustrating.
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bubblethink超过 2 年前
A few random thoughts based on personal experience:<p>- A PhD is like a sabbatical in many ways. You are trading off time and money for what amounts to a long break to explore things or work on something that may be difficult otherwise.<p>- Identifying well defined problems is half the game.<p>- Finding a good advisor is quite important. Above all, it should be someone you can get along with.<p>- At least for CS, the tradeoffs are quite reasonable. In a good case, it will open more doors for you. In the worst case, you will be at the same level as a Master&#x27;s student after having spent a few more years in school.
wanderingmind超过 2 年前
PhD is a scam that sucks hardwork from smartest individuals while giving them poverty, mental health problems, significant opportunity cost and graduating them with absolutely no skills that are required to make a living in market economy. I have said it multiple times unless you are doing a CS PhD or you are an Olympiad medalist, PhD is a significant net negative for your life and career.
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warbler73超过 2 年前
Weird to see the PhD is now a trade degree with people expecting to receive technical skill training to increase their chances to get an ok job with benefits working for some corporation.<p>Possibly the PhD is the new High School Diploma, signifying basic literacy and ability to follow directions.
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balsam超过 2 年前
I put it down to a lack of focus. Research universities had one job, to ensure the undelayed success of someone (or collective) like Yitang Zhang&#x2F;Katalin Kariko, and it failed, while managing to award tenure to many a downright incompetent or even fraudulent persons and research groups. Surely doing this job is, if not easier, more important than achieving general AI? When I say easier, I refer to the ontopic suggestion of giving every person who gets a PhD a basic income..
pfdietz超过 2 年前
I had discussions with my daughter about what she wanted to do in STEMM. I told her a PhD is good if you really want to go that direction, but you need to consider the downsides. In the end, she went for an MD, not a PhD, and we&#x27;re all happy with how it has turned out.
chairhairair超过 2 年前
The second set of graphs must be in error, correct?<p>67% have attended conferences but only 0.7% have networked...? Only 0.7% have discussed their career with peers&#x2F;colleagues? That&#x27;s impossible.<p>Did they forget to convert these decimals to percentages, or did no one sanity-check this data at all?
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graycat超过 2 年前
During parts of the Cold War, near DC, some knowledge of some STEM topics, e.g., assembler, Fortran, PL&#x2F;I, C, the algorithms in the relevant book by Knuth, the fast Fourier transform, Kalman filtering, Maxwell&#x27;s equations, algebraic coding theory, antenna theory, optimization, especially with a Ph.D., could generate a relatively good career in US <i>national security</i>.<p>Maybe now, not just near DC or in US national security, if can get a job in some organization that is doing important work, then there is a chance that can see an important problem and use good STEM field knowledge and computing to get a very valuable solution -- none of the effort part of the job description.<p>And IMHO computing and the Internet are continuing to explode, that is, have not yet nearly been fully exploited. Then maybe pick a promising problem, use some STEM field knowledge, computing, and the Internet to get a valuable solution, and start a business.<p>Ph.D.?<p>(1) Aim for a Ph.D. in <i>engineering</i>.<p>(2) Take some courses you believe might be helpful for your Ph.D. research and&#x2F;or your career later.<p>(3) For your research, find, pick your own problem, maybe from practice outside of academics.<p>(4) Complete your research on your own and hand the results to your department or advisor(s). At some universities, the official requirement for a dissertation is<p>&quot;an original contribution to knowledge worthy of publication&quot;<p>So, at such a university and more generally, to remove nearly all doubt about your dissertation, publish your work.<p>Maybe for your first job, accept an assistant professor position in some engineering school and from there make contacts for a good career outside of academics.
naet超过 2 年前
Never a graduate student, but I made the choice to not study computer science in undergrad because I didn&#x27;t want a lifestyle of sitting behind a computer. Fast forward 8 years and... I&#x27;m a full time remote software developer sitting alone in front of a computer.<p>I tried education for a few years but it didn&#x27;t pay enough and the work was difficult due to lack of school resources and lack of support. Switched into tech because I knew I had the technical ability to pull it off, and the salary seemed comfortable.<p>It does feel a bit sad that I spend my time working on random corporate marketing websites instead of helping people learn, but at least I can support my family enjoy a rich life outside of work (including some development side projects).<p>Even though my eventual major isn&#x27;t relevant to my current work I still think college was very worth while. I took mostly classes that interested me rather than follow a specific career path and I learned so many things that still feel relevant in other ways.
metaphor超过 2 年前
This was and still is the best guidance[1] I ever indirectly received in uni. I hope it continues to help others.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.purdue.edu&#x2F;homes&#x2F;dec&#x2F;essay.phd.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.purdue.edu&#x2F;homes&#x2F;dec&#x2F;essay.phd.html</a>
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lacker超过 2 年前
I dropped out of my CS PhD program after two and a half years to &quot;go into industry&quot;. It was the perfect amount of time to spend in grad school - just enough time to meet my future wife.
philshem超过 2 年前
The Simpsons&#x27; take on grad students:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qqrCoyVK80I" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qqrCoyVK80I</a><p>(edit: I have a PhD)
vouaobrasil超过 2 年前
I got a PhD in math because it was a life goal for me and it was the best because I had lots of time just to do whatever I wanted and learn some cool math.<p>I ended up going into a math-related career I hate. But it pays well, and so I became ultra frugal, saved up enough money, got a second remote job doing something I like, and now I&#x27;m going to roam as a nomad around the world. Screw 9-5, I&#x27;m retiring now. Quitting in a few months and couldn&#x27;t be happier.
disqard超过 2 年前
IMO, trying to do something that&#x27;s usually (a) inherently intrinsically motivated + (b) operates on long timelines, is exactly the sort of thing that:<p>1. Cannot be easily captured via &quot;metrics&quot;, and<p>2. Is resistant to being &quot;scaled&quot;.<p>Yet, for better or worse, we have ended up with these &quot;mass Ph.D&quot; systems and their surrounding ecosystems, so outcomes like in TFA are going to be increasingly common.
idanman超过 2 年前
I was working full time and did my PhD at the same time. My employer let me do the work at work (there was a lot of overlap) and only had to travel to university to take a few classes (made up the time by working longer hours and sometimes on weekends) and meet with my academic advisor. I also had an advisor (mentor) at work that I would interact with on a daily basis. The downside was that I had to pay tuition, but the company paid for some and the rest I paid from my salary. I still made more than a graduate student at the institution. Overall, it was a great experience. I would recommend doing it this way if you are interested in going into industry and you already have a built-in job. I was upfront when I got hired and told them I was looking to do a PhD and they agreed.
red_admiral超过 2 年前
For PhDs in the humanities in the US, this Brett Deveraux piece is worth reading: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acoup.blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;collections-so-you-want-to-go-to-grad-school-in-the-academic-humanities&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acoup.blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;collections-so-you-want-to-go-...</a><p>The TL&#x2F;DR is basically: don&#x27;t.
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xyzelement超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s tricky - I feel like those who get PhD out of true deep love and talent for a field find their way through to happiness.<p>But sadly, a lot of people go into it for the wrong reasons (family pressure, ego, not knowing what else to do) and alas it doesn&#x27;t often work out.<p>I remember on-campus interviewing an Indian guy who got a BS, MS and now PhD in chemistry, only to realize that he doesn&#x27;t have a passion for it. That&#x27;s tragic because all this money&#x2F;lost time down, he&#x27;s competing with undergrads for entry level roles. Meanwhile kids that finished undergrad around the same time are already starting to become managers.<p>The world needs PhD level people -- but I just think that your heart has to be into it 10000% and then you&#x27;ll make it work.
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dools超过 2 年前
The people who I went to university with who now have the most innovative and prosperous companies did their early research as part of PhD programs. In some fields, I think a PhD is a great opportunity to start businesses of real substance
bigbacaloa超过 2 年前
A doctoral program makes sense for someone who wants to spend the rest of his&#x2F;her life studying something that can&#x27;t be studied except in an academic context. It makes sense for no one else. In particular, it is usually silly to do a doctorate if one&#x27;s ambitions are to make money or succeed professionally in business&#x2F;commerce&#x2F;engineering. On the other hand, if those are one&#x27;s ambitions, one generally doesn&#x27;t have the sort of passion needed for research.
Fomite超过 2 年前
One of the reasons I enjoy my field is that the assumption you&#x27;re going into academia <i>isn&#x27;t</i> baked into things.<p>But I do wonder what these numbers will look like if the SV tech scene starts slowing down significantly. That was always the comparator group people looked toward.
Overtonwindow超过 2 年前
I’ve always felt that for the social sciences, a masters and PhD should not be needed for the job market. However, I can’t help but feel that the demand for these credentials largely comes from a dilution of the marketplace due to the abundance of people with bachelors degrees
plaguepilled超过 2 年前
Sick of reading about how bleak it is - when are we going to actually do something about academia being so shit? Legislate? Boycott? Offer a competing research structure?<p>Universities REALLY oversell what they do for researchers. There has to be a better way than this.
Gatsky超过 2 年前
Nature writing an article like this is like a newspaper writing that journalism is a waste of time. It&#x27;s quite odd, perhaps they do it for the clicks.<p>Nature, and what it represents, is of course part of the problem.
mathteddybear超过 2 年前
The survey did not include any question about start-up career prospects, I suppose what Paul Graham touted regarding software startups is not widely applicable across most fields.
6stringmerc超过 2 年前
A lot of these articles seem to be written by people who had such bad grades they weren’t even eligible for grad school. As in, we’ll it’s probably not good anyway lol
Balgair超过 2 年前
A good piece on going to grad school or not. It&#x27;s tailored to the Humanities, but the advice is still relevant for the Sciences:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acoup.blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;collections-so-you-want-to-go-to-grad-school-in-the-academic-humanities&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acoup.blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;01&#x2F;collections-so-you-want-to-go-...</a><p>TLDR: Only go if you meet 1 of 2 conditions:<p>1) You are rich.<p>2) You get along with your advisor so well you know within 9 months of meeting&#x2F;working with them that you&#x27;ll be at their funeral no matter what. The chance of this is a dice roll with very heavy disadvantage (4xd20, choose lowest).<p>Otherwise, try it out for a year, then bounce. It&#x27;s not worth your time.
Apocryphon超过 2 年前
Any software engineers or other tech workers on HN who went on to get graduate degrees in degrees unrelated to CS&#x2F;SWE&#x2F;CE&#x2F;EE?
ansc超过 2 年前
Don&#x27;t worry -- you probably wouldn&#x27;t &quot;want this kind of life&quot; when you&#x27;re a corporate drone either.
nemo44x超过 2 年前
College is about networking and getting sorted into the right groups more than it is about learning anything.
joshcsimmons超过 2 年前
I don&#x27;t regret doing mine but at the same time I&#x27;d never recommend it to anyone.
jojobas超过 2 年前
Subsidizing loans for whatever 18-year-olds want is a bad idea, news at five.
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zwaps超过 2 年前
I finished my PhD at the top program in my country (which is not the US of course) fairly recently. The system is American &quot;inspired&quot; (fully funded, no mandatory work, international professors).<p>For me, the research work was enjoyable, and I was happy to do it &quot;while it lasted&quot;. However I think the main problem is that for the largest majority of students, there is no academic future.<p>All of us were top-of-the-class in every scholastic phase <i>up to then</i>. Smart people, all. But after the PhD, and then after the junior job market - there simply aren&#x27;t many positions anymore. All your academic efforts then culminate into a pack of files describing your merit, a hasty presentation in a hotel or two, and a largely random market deciding whether you will indeed be able to do the job you trained for your entire life, or not! It&#x27;s a breaking point, and it is stressful not only because of that but especially because everything is uncertain.<p>Expectations are very high. After all, a lot of money has been spent on the PhD students and placing them in academic positions is crucial for the school. However, the job market is exceedingly difficult (for many different situational and even arcane reasons that differ country-by-country - I was going to write more about it, but everyone who knows knows already).<p>In consequence, you are never really prepared enough for the job market. At the same time, your success hinges only marginally on your research and more on prep, predigree, fit and randomness. And so, PhDs have to spend more and more time (6-7 years now) to feel somewhat &quot;ready&quot;. Others are pushed by their advisors to stay.<p>During this time, you put your life on hold. You earn as little as the university can get away with in your country. You have to prepared to move anywhere in the world. Family is difficult to realize. Work-life-balance usually non-existent. And the longer you stay, the more you question whether you will ever make it.<p>For us, there were few tenure-tracked positions to be had in that year. People who stayed in academia started with post-doc contracts - often only for a year - all around the world. A continuation of the above. I am sure some will eventually succeed. I myself decided to take a non-academic position, which was a breeze by comparison.<p>From my cohort, almost all have ended up with some sort of mental health issue. Even though I never really felt it, I did notice (after leaving) that I had been depressed during the final year. Two PhD students were admitted to the hospital for issues I am 100% sure are stress induced.<p>At the same time, I don&#x27;t know how to fix all this. Being a tenured professor will always be the dream for many people. At least as it appears on the surface. For it to be that, there will never be as many positions as applicants.
Exendroinient00超过 2 年前
Another useless thread of sellouts mocking non sellouts for not selling out. Toxic internet mob didn&#x27;t spare this website.
thrown_22超过 2 年前
&gt;; and students’ experience of racism and discrimination<p>This is the main reason why I am extremely ambivalent about hiring anyone who hasn&#x27;t quit university in disgust.<p>The other day I had someone try and call me out for saying &quot;meager options&quot; as the n-word options.<p>It was a bizarre half hour of being talked at which started with her proclaiming herself a person of colour who has had to deal with discrimination her whole life to get a PhD and went down hill from there.
chillage超过 2 年前
Somehow I am mostly just surprised that Nature&#x27;s graphic designers feel that pie charts are an effective visual communication tool.<p>One of many articles on the topic <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xviz.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;pie-charts-good-bad-or-ugly&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xviz.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;pie-charts-good-bad-or-ugly&#x2F;</a>
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