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Reclaiming Mobile Privacy with GrapheneOS

70 点作者 pzrsa超过 2 年前

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plaguepilled超过 2 年前
GrapheneOS is a very nice mobile OS - I use it on multiple devices and its my top pick for android ROMs. Some thoughts:<p>1. They&#x27;re the only ROM project that actually focuses on improving application level safety. This is a bigger deal than a lot of people realise.<p>2. They offer installation remote attestation - again, worth using if you can.<p>3. Lots of drama with Calyx and GrapheneOS which is very hard to familiarise with. This is because the discourse is often deleted (this is the policy of the Graphene OS chatrooms) and so it is difficult to verify claims without pointing to another instance of deleted comments&#x2F;purported harassment. If you can help it, I recommend to just try ignore the whole thing until they start screenshotting the actual harassment.<p>4. A lot of people talk about Graphene having worse performance than a lot of other ROMs but this is actually counter to my own experience. Graphene is consistently the fastest ROM I have used.<p>5. You may see people kick up a shit about how Graphene uses sandboxed play store and how that&#x27;s a bad thing somehow. If you are worried, keep in mind you can still use Aurora if you want your install to be anonymised (but frankly I am not sure what the extent of the changes that Aurora makes). Similarly F-Droid is available, but is super weird about how they sign apps.<p>6. There are a LOT of updates. This is a good thing but it can throw you off if you&#x27;re coming from another ROM.
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kkfx超过 2 年前
Few notes:<p>- some crapplications do not want to run on custom rom<p>- more than mere mobile privacy I&#x27;m MUCH worried about new cars (witch happen to be mobile crapware connected crap)...<p>As a small dumb example, I&#x27;ve got my new EV, formally already fitted by default of crappy surveillance contracts with some vendors &quot;pre-payed&quot; and I have to unsubscribe to them all one-by-one. Car itself is a mobile OS, connected to the vendor and who knows what PLUS Android Auto&#x2F;Apple CarPlay. Being semi-autonomous and connected can potentially blocked or cracked from remote and I doubt we can even LEGALLY flash other firmware&#x27;s.<p>To add a small anecdote I found the car already bound to the vendor phone, it&#x27;s new but probably they have do some test being a vehicle in their exposition, he simply forget to unbind it. Witch means he potentially track, remote open, remote power on etc the car.<p>In such terms while I prize all FLOSS efforts we can&#x27;t have privacy on mobile crapware and craphw: the sole option is IMPOSING with popular acclaim mandatory FLOSS for anything and all &quot;connections&quot; must be in the term &quot;your device can expose, at your options as the real owner of the device, some services to the net. All we offer is a connection service, with a public IPv6 address and a (sub)domain name for you. You choose what to do with it&quot;. No &quot;push-OTA&quot; and other stuff allowed by laws, with sanctions severe enough no one would even try to.
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errantmind超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve used GrapheneOS for a while now and have been impressed by it. I&#x27;d recommend it to all those who value privacy and security. Battery life is way better now as well.
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lapser超过 2 年前
I have been using GrapheneOS since April. I have not used any alternatives in a long time (my previous phone was the Galaxy S9):<p>First, let me preface this with the fact that, in my opinion, overall it&#x27;s a pretty solid OS. After having done research several times, the only other mod I&#x27;ve considered is LineageOS, but last I checked, there were no builds for my Pixel 6 Pro.<p>My biggest two issues with it are that it doesn&#x27;t have any usability improvements other mods have. It&#x27;s not on them though, as it&#x27;s an expectation <i>I</i> have of mods, but obviously this is like having an expectation of support for FLOSS. It&#x27;s annoying, but it is what it is.<p>The default camera app is subpar compared to the stock camera app of Pixel phones. I use OpenCamera, but it&#x27;s also not great (though that opinion might stem from me not knowing how to use it properly).<p>The bigger issue I have with it is that, while sandboxed Google services generally work pretty well, some apps don&#x27;t work properly with the location requests proxy. I&#x27;d love to enable it, but, for example, Citymapper is unable to track me when I use it. Finding a location sometimes can take very long.<p>I would love to have LineageOS improved by having the hardening patches that are in GrapheneOS.
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veridrax超过 2 年前
I am using Graphene on a Pixel 5 for some years now. It&#x27;s a blast. I don&#x27;t want to miss it. My battery runtime is much longer than with the stock OS. I am glad the folk at the GrapheneOS team made my value my privacy more by educating me about the implications, the current vendor operating systems inflicts on our privacy.
Caboose8685超过 2 年前
Graphene certainly looks impressive by all accounts, but are there any 3rd party audits? I can&#x27;t find any.<p>I&#x27;ve learned to expect that from FOSS software that has any kind of security claims and purports to help me be more private or secure. Particularly since I don&#x27;t have the necessary skills&#x2F;knowledge to do so myself.
luvgos超过 2 年前
Grapheme OS is the best OS. I really like the sensor and network permissions they add. It is quite a clean and professional OS with hardening that just works under the hood without getting in your way. It looks amazing with the new material 3 theming. My only regret is that a supported (Pixel) tablet won&#x27;t be released until 2023. I&#x27;ll gladly wait for it though.
public_defender超过 2 年前
I love GrapheneOS. Before trying it one should consider that unlike some &quot;sister&quot; projects, it does not support signature spoofing, so if you need SafetyNet or something similar, you will likely be out of luck.<p>On one hand I like the no spoofing position the devs took, on the other hand my banking app.
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the-anarchist超过 2 年前
Glancing over to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33550824" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33550824</a> I&#x27;m wondering... does this GrapheneOS have plausible deniability?
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sneak超过 2 年前
I had to switch back to iOS. My smartphone is my primary camera and I missed lots of important shots because the Graphene camera was so slow to double click launch from locked (on a flagship pixel $LATEST pro max whatever).<p>I really miss syncthing.
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cantrembermyact超过 2 年前
Why is it that these projects dedicated to de-Googling, either exclusively or in vast majority, support Google devices?<p>I&#x27;d love to run one of them but I bought a Motorola explicitly because it wasn&#x27;t a Google device.
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MrksHfmn超过 2 年前
I use CalyxOs without any Google Apps (camera app blocked via firewall). I find GrapheneOS horrible. If I want to get away from Google, I don&#x27;t want to run Google Apps in the sandbox either
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dzikimarian超过 2 年前
These camera and microphone switches are available by default in current version of Android. You don&#x27;t need graphene for that.
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guilhas超过 2 年前
I used GrapheneOS for a year and it was not very smooth. But maybe it would have been different with this new google sandbox, which I will have a look. But I think I might go try Calyx this time<p>The phone bricked due to frequent updates. Which now I see happened to many people with Pixel phones, custom ROM or original. I did not find a easy way to delay or disable the updates.<p>And they immediately upgrade everything not just security updates, so something will probably break, apps stops working, and your workflow in general, because a lot of things change across android versions<p>Most people are not tying running away from the 3 letters agencies. We want as most privacy and security possible, but we also want a fast phone, usable, compatible with apps, and customizable. This OS looks more like a exercise in security, a good one, but clearly prioritized over privacy and usability<p>The developers, I am sure they are trying to do what they think is best, but they come across a bit arrogant<p>I don&#x27;t care if root is an insecure vector, I will 100% root my phone. And use Google camera app. And use f-droid and whatever insecure app I wanna use<p>Especially in conflicts with other open source communities, like Bromite, F-droid, CalyxOS, ASOP, microg... deciding to just do as much alone as possible, which sounds unsustainable<p>Their built in browser still sends data to Google, privacy by blending in, but I would recommend install Bromite, with the model of blocking everything<p>Edits: several
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propogandist超过 2 年前
is microG still a viable solution for avoiding Gapps or is there something better now?
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tanana超过 2 年前
Have been using GrapheneOS for over a year now. With the Google compatibility layer I can use all my banking&#x2F;credit card apps (4 different ones) and many more. I like the details available online and the frequent updates. Pretty smooth first installation too using their web installer and getting help on via their Matrix rooms or forum is usualy quick. I only have one government app where QR scanning doesn&#x27;t work but not sure why. All other apps with QR scanning, including banking apps, work.