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Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days

160 点作者 akeck超过 2 年前

20 条评论

MEMORYC_RRUPTED超过 2 年前
This won&#x27;t be valid for everyone, but I&#x27;m getting more and more convinced that most (a lot of?) people don&#x27;t &quot;work&quot; work 40 hours anyway. I&#x27;m not even mentally capable of doing 40 intense hours of focussed work. Not saying I don&#x27;t have other tasks besides coding&#x2F;thinking in that time, but honestly not for the full slot of time.<p>It just feels to me like some sort of secret we all share and pretend like it&#x27;s fine, but being honest and just doing the same stuff in say 32 hours and cutting out the cruft in between would be great.<p>Or maybe it&#x27;s just my add that likes a bit more pressure, I don&#x27;t know. But what I do know is that, even with a very relaxed employer that allows you to take your time and chill, go workout or play a game for an hour, I can&#x27;t fully relax or disconnect knowing that I&#x27;m expected to do those 40 hours, regardless of how often they say it&#x27;s fine.
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philmcp超过 2 年前
Over 200 companies have now made the switch to a 32hr work week: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;4dayweek.io&#x2F;companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;4dayweek.io&#x2F;companies</a><p>The benefits for the employee are pretty obvious, but there are also many benefits for the company:<p>- Staff are more productive (for previous pilots: output almost always hits 100%)<p>- Job listings get (way) more applications<p>- Staff are happier<p>- Staff are healthier i.e. off sick less<p>- It&#x27;s better for the environment<p>- Staff turnover reduces<p>- It attracts experienced candidates<p>- Costs reduce<p>- It&#x27;s better for gender equality<p>Most of these companies on the site offer 100% salary, some offer 80% (but I hope to remove these in the future)
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vjk800超过 2 年前
I already work (remotely) much less than my contract says. I simply can&#x27;t stay engaged to cognitively demanding tasks for a full day. The rest of the time I just feel kinda bad for slacking, which increases my stress levels for no good reason. If I got the permission to actually work less, I wouldn&#x27;t feel so bad about it, which would probably lead to less stress and higher productivity.<p>I work in finance and I can attest that 90% of the work people do in my office could simply be left undone and no harm would come to the world or even the company. The industry just has a culture of &quot;being very productive&quot; which leads to people doing <i>something</i> all of the time, even when they don&#x27;t have a clue what should be done.
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everdrive超过 2 年前
I’m a bit skeptical of the study, however I’ve long suspected that a lot of what happens at work is simply part of a set of special social expectations, and actually pretty disconnected from productivity.
thenerdhead超过 2 年前
What’s interesting to me is that I’ve seen many colleagues and general sentiment towards using your own time off to make work sustainable in this fashion of 4 day work weeks. They sacrifice the ability to disconnect from work with regular 1-2 week vacations however.<p>Also the increase of sabbatical years tends to show just how unsustainable this can be over a long period. Especially in a stressful position.<p>I don’t think productivity is the right word to use. I would say efficiency is better. Output vs outcome is important in knowledge work.
lapser超过 2 年前
The arguments against 4-day work weeks are slowly eroding, and I&#x27;m here for it.
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zach_garwood超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m reminded of Parkinsons Law: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Parkinson%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Parkinson%27s_law</a>
sam0x17超过 2 年前
At my previous startup we tried this with engineering and actually saw a productivity _increase_ from 4-day work-week.
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mike503超过 2 年前
Compensation should be based on output. If hours translates to more output (like an assembly line worker or something) - great. Simply pay hourly and require minimum amount of hours (like 40) with options for &quot;go-getters&quot; to work more if they want.<p>Plenty of jobs (like a lot of tech) should be based on &quot;if you&#x27;re producing what we need from you (or more if you want) we&#x27;re happy&quot; regardless of the hours.
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SergeAx超过 2 年前
As an SWE I know that my brain works on problems 24&#x2F;7, and not only 9 to 5 Mon-Fri. Lots of times when I stuck with some debugging or corner case or architecture problem - I just put it away and next morning the answer is just there in my head, ready to be typed down.<p>As an engineering manager I can regulary see the same in my reports. Moreover, best ones are doing it on the vacation: coming back they just start typing and don&#x27;t stop for 2-3 days. Normally typing&#x2F;thinking cycle is at most 50&#x2F;50, usually 40&#x2F;60.<p>There&#x27;s one exclusion. All said things are not working if an engineer is working for two employers. When COVID mandatory WFH started, I initially thought that some of my direct or indirect reports just can&#x27;t adapt to it, but it always turned out to be a second job or a personal project.<p>I am 100% sure that 4 day workweek will lead to a lot of people in IT taking second jobs&#x2F;side gigs, and it will severely impact their performance.
ShaneMcGowan超过 2 年前
From my personal experience Stress free 5 days &gt; Fire fighting for 4 days
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rolenthedeep超过 2 年前
I work at a startup that has mostly unstructured time requirements. The attitude is &quot;as long as you get your work done, work the hours you want in the office or at home&quot;<p>When I get tired and unable to focus, I go home and rest. That might be 2:00 or 7:00. If I go home early, chances are that I&#x27;ll end up doing more work in the evening.<p>I work as much as I want and am able to, which turns out to be an order of magnitude more work than when I was trapped in 10-12 hour shifts 6 days a week.<p>I find that I&#x27;m very rarely &quot;killing time&quot; at work. I&#x27;ll pop open mastodon for a few minutes now and then, but I&#x27;ve never had to waste multiple hours waiting for my shift to end. If I&#x27;m done working, I just leave. If I have a doctor&#x27;s appointment, I just throw a note in the group chat.<p>At this point, I don&#x27;t think I could ever go back to a traditional workplace. You&#x27;d have to be some kind of idiot to pay people per hour to waste time on their phone just to tick off the requirement of being in a chair for 8 hours in a row. This is just clearly the wrong model for many industries.
thebigspacefuck超过 2 年前
For me the real productivity benefit would be the 5th day when nobody is “working” but I log in and have an entire full day to focus without interruption.
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ITB超过 2 年前
A lot of people have a goal to minimize work and maximize income, and for those people, no matter what flexibility they are given, they will continue to minimize productive work. It’s sad in my opinion, and it leads to hedonic pursuits instead of the intrinsic satisfaction that comes from doing good work. But for too many people work is about man vs “the man”, instead of our individual quest to do something interesting.
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Brian_K_White超过 2 年前
I think I personally know many people that will simply use the extra time to work another job, thus erasing the intended benefit to the generous company.<p>They work you less so that you will have better morale and energy and loyalty while you are there. But you use the time to collect a 2nd paycheck, and the gets the same tired employee they would have had if they just worked you fully the old way.<p>I don&#x27;t know what could practically be done about that.<p>It also seems like a 6 month trial where the participants are still the exception not the rule, doesn&#x27;t really predict what would happen if it became the rule. If most companies adopted this as a norm, surely simply the average salery would just inch down over time until it became essentially necessary and the norm to work 2 jobs, since the 4-day job won&#x27;t actually be enough by itself except in theory, like how minimun wage is supposed to be enough in theory.<p>There will always be huslters aggressively trying to maximize every minute, and they will always set, or at least perturb, the going rates for things. I think this experiment can only really exist as a special bubble experiment where the ceos just wanted to do it, and all employees were convinced to voluntarily play along and not just fill the gap with a side job. Maybe there can always be some few companies that can do it as their particular distinctive policy just like there already are different companies with different cultures and norms. But across the board? I think the hustlers and hungry scrappers will just set the going rates.
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mouzogu超过 2 年前
why would a company agree to pay the same salary for fewer hours of custody?<p>it reminds me of the macchiavelli quote:<p>&gt; “How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation.”<p>productivity study is interesting but that&#x27;s not how the real world incentives are aligned.
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mbrodersen超过 2 年前
There is nothing magical about 40 hours. It just happens to be the number of hours that most companies (in the west) happens to choose for historical reasons:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.okta.com&#x2F;au&#x2F;identity-101&#x2F;40-hour-work-week&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.okta.com&#x2F;au&#x2F;identity-101&#x2F;40-hour-work-week&#x2F;</a>
joeman1000超过 2 年前
That’s not an experiment, that’s a rise in pay-rate… it’s very much past due in a lot of countries for a lot of job categories.
stavros超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been working four-day weeks for almost a decade now, and it&#x27;s been amazing. I briefly switched back to a five-day week at some point, but I had enough of that after a few months. The weekends felt way too short and the workweek way too long.<p>Four-day weeks are just the right balance, though I wonder if I&#x27;ll like three-day weeks even more.
rr888超过 2 年前
Even with 5-day weeks lots of colleagues were running side projects. Honestly a 4-day a week job WFH I&#x27;d probably try to run two jobs at a time. I&#x27;m here to work and get paid, not have a good balance.