Free Ross Ulbricht

178 点作者 linksbro超过 2 年前

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root_axis超过 2 年前

Several posts on this thread (as well as TFA) have suggested the hitman for hire was slander to paint Ulbricht in a bad light. This is not true.> At the sentencing hearing, the district court resolved several disputed issues of fact. For example, because Ulbricht contested his responsibility for the five commissioned murders for hire, the district court found by a preponderance of the evidence that Ulbricht did in fact commission the murders, believing that they would be carried out. The district court characterized the evidence of the murders for hire, which included Ulbricht's journal, chats with other Silk Road users, and the evidence showing that Ulbricht actually paid a total of $650,000 in Bitcoins for the killings, as “ample and unambiguous.” App'x 1465.From <a href="https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1862572.html" rel="nofollow">https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1862572.html</a>

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jjallen超过 2 年前

This is a good lesson about not forgetting that much of life is not binary. Here we have someone who was convicted of doing illegal things. There is also strong evidence that he hired and paid someone to kill five people.So the question isn't free or don't free him. The question is "how long should he be in jail for?". There's a middle ground here.Many people, including the OP website just say "free" him. I don't know. That is a binary option which implies total innocence. And I don't think total innocence is the case here.So the question really needs to be: for how many years should this guy be in prison for. And the answer to me, primarily because he was planning on killing five people is quite a long time. Certainly longer than the ten years or so he's been in there.[edited for some increased readability and formatting]

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Synaesthesia超过 2 年前

It was totally a political trial with many exaggerations and the government trying to "set an example".- First-time offender- All non-violent charges- Two life sentences plus 40 years without parole>Ross Ulbricht is condemned to die in prison for creating an anonymous e-commerce website called Silk Road. An entrepreneur passionate about free markets and privacy, he was 26 when he made the site. He was never prosecuted for causing harm or bodily injury and no victim was named at trial.>Users of Silk Road chose to exchange a variety of goods, both legal and illegal, including drugs (most commonly small amounts of cannabis). Prohibited was anything involuntary that could harm a third party.>Ross was not convicted of selling drugs or illegal items himself, but was held responsible for what others sold on the site.

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duped超过 2 年前

I think it's disingenuous to say the Silk Road was used for anything but selling black market goods, predominantly drugs.It's fine to say that someone shouldn't go to prison for life for running a business centered on selling drugs without violence (hitman non withstanding), and I think you could even argue that the drugs got more dangerous for kids once it went down (there was a decent time period when kids didn't have to worry if what they bought as cocaine, MDMA, or aderall was just meth). But trying to claim the Silk Road wasn't Amazon for drugs is just dishonest.

roenxi超过 2 年前

I was initially unhappy about the situation, but on reviewing the opinion [0] of the judge of the appeal it seems reasonable. It is uncomfortable that the judge effectively sentenced him for something he wasn't charged with, but if that judge saw evidence that he tried to plan the murder of multiple people there aren't really many alternatives.It does seem like bad form that the prosecutors didn't charge him with murder, it leaves open the question of whether the evidence was actually flimsy and Ulbricht's team didn't challenge it properly because they didn't think it was especially relevant. I assume the details of the opinion would reveal the thinking on that if I read it closely.[0] <a href="https://www.leagle.com/decision/infco20170531115" rel="nofollow">https://www.leagle.com/decision/infco20170531115</a>

DoItToMe81超过 2 年前

I think people who facilitate the sale of community destroying hard drugs deserve punishment, but this trial was a farce. The media ran ceaseless stories making it sound like he was selling guns to terrorists and child abuse material. There's no way he could have been fairly judged by a jury with how prevalent that type of reporting was.

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Jasper_超过 2 年前

This is the guy who thought about whether to sell cyanide to people or not, and decided that, yes, Silk Road should sell it ("myself" is Ross):> myself: cyanide has a bad reputation> myself: there are plenty of legitimate uses> inigo: so we're going to allow it?> myself: its bad for image/PR> myself: i think we're going to allow it<a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/silk-road-trial-fbi-reveals-whats-on-ross-ulbrichts-computer-in-open-court/" rel="nofollow">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/silk-road-trial-...</a>You can't represent this guy as just selling some drugs, maybe. He knew what he was doing, and documented all of it.

whywhatwhere超过 2 年前

He attempted to kill multiple people, and was completely indifferent to the harms caused by his marketplace. Indeed he profited massively from them.Prison is the right place for Ross Ulbricht.Just because he committed all his crimes using a computer doesn't mean he should be let off for these crimes.

digianarchist超过 2 年前

There's a lot of strange and misleading information on the website. For example the sentencing disparity is comparing sentences that were handed out in locations outside of the United States [0].[0] - <a href="https://apnews.com/article/16c1186f8839c814b84a614542c8486e" rel="nofollow">https://apnews.com/article/16c1186f8839c814b84a614542c8486e</a>

etchalon超过 2 年前

This will never happen. I don't know why people pretend it might, or why this site shows up on HN every few months as if it's new information.

AndyMcConachie超过 2 年前

You could say all the same things for any other victims of America's drug war. IMO the drug war should end and all non-violent drug offenders should be released.But the American economy depends on prison slavery, and they need the drug war to continue creating slaves.<a href="https://unicor.gov/" rel="nofollow">https://unicor.gov/</a>

from超过 2 年前

He probably could’ve got 15-20 years if he worked out a deal but he had very ineffective counsel. With RDAP and the First Step Act and potentially compassionate release for COVID he could be out by now.

dutchbrit超过 2 年前

Didn't Ross hire a hitman?

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big_red超过 2 年前

“All nonviolent charges” He hired hitmen over the dark web how is that not violence?

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blobbers超过 2 年前

How about the rest of the sentence is given to SBF.

scoofy超过 2 年前

You can’t give a gigantic middle finger to the social contract and expect to be treated with kid gloves.I think the sentence was excessive, but then again I didn’t run a website for years for the expressed purpose of facilitating and profiting from the illegal international drug trade.The idea that he would just be released and not then immediately charged by another nation is naive.I’m genuinely shocked that this is getting attention from anyone but libertarian ideologues.Edit: I’m fine with your downvotes. Nobody wants to discuss the level of taboo breaking the Silk Road caused simply because it’s actually not entirely difficult to operate. People get made examples of.

whatitmatteryo超过 2 年前

Yes! Free Ross! Think about all the little children who won't be turned into porn stars without his marketplace! It's not fair to them!

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