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The Only Way to Stop SOPA

198 点作者 jayro超过 13 年前

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pittsburgh超过 13 年前
And the only way to stop future SOPAs is to make the system less corrupt, which means taking money out of politics.<p>This is why Lawrence Lessig left the fight against intellectual property craziness to focus on the underlying problem of corruption.<p>It's been years since I heard Lessig was shifting his focus to fight corruption, and recently SOPA got me curious about what he's been up to and if SOPA had brought him back out of "retirement". That led me to this article, "Why Is Lawrence Lessig MIA In The Great SOPA Piracy Debate?" <a href="http://m.paidcontent.org/article/419-why-is-lawrence-lessig-mia-in-the-great-sopa-piracy-debate/" rel="nofollow">http://m.paidcontent.org/article/419-why-is-lawrence-lessig-...</a><p>which led me to Lessig's response: <a href="http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/13119510676/me-mia-on-the-sopa-soap-opera" rel="nofollow">http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/13119510676/me-mia-on-the-sopa...</a><p>which led me to his iniative to fight political corruption through campaign finance reform: <a href="http://www.rootstrikers.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rootstrikers.org/</a><p>I'm actually glad to see that Lessig isn't letting SOPA distract him from his fight against corruption which is the root of the problem. Stopping SOPA would be a huge win, but it would only be a battle win, and as long as we're losing the corruption war there are going to be many more SOPAs to fight in the future.
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mr_luc超过 13 年前
I think that politicians could be made to hear the Internet's voice here.<p>Imagine if people started donating to a 'SOPA Supporter Anti-Reelection Fund', where all donations go to targeting vulnerable SOPA supporters in the next election.<p>The message would be that this is a "No-Forvigeness" issue come election time; that 'The Internet is Bigger Than Democrat or Republican'; that this issue matters more to economic/moral future of the country than gay marriage, invading Iraq, or any number of divisive issues; people will donate money to such a fund even knowing some of it will be used against bad apples in their own parties; etc.<p>There's a ton of potential here, especially when vulnerable SOPA supporters are identified, which will put the political crosshairs on specific individuals. (Who <i>are</i> the most vulnerable supporters come reelection time? Newsworthiness is increased when reporters can put a face on the story).<p>If the Internet started building such an Anti-Reelection Fund, it might get newsworthy pretty fast.<p>If the power of bored people over a holiday break was put to work, such a fund could be very real in just a few days, and ready for its cover shot as a credible political threat (donated funds, name-and-shame publicity) by the time the committee reconvenes in January.<p>I'm just saying. I was surprised by how much political clout the Occupy movement ended up with, despite not having any single unified idea of what they want to change -- but, basically all they accomplished was to shape the message and shift the dialogue around the economic crisis a bit.<p>I'd be disappointed if the Internet couldn't accomplish something more concrete with SOPA.<p>Edit: also, if The Internets created such a fund, it might be politically easier for various internet companies or rich geeks to support it via matching funds.
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ojbyrne超过 13 年前
So I was thinking - after SOPA passes, what's to stop us (i.e. those opposed to it), from uploading copyrighted things to every site related to the people supporting it (RIAA, MPAA, movie sites, government sites) that have some comment feature or whatever.<p>And then requesting that those sites be taken down. Let loose 4chan and the absurdity of the whole thing will become clear.
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x3c超过 13 年前
I, for one, am glad they're not using money to get out of this. Pragmatism has replaced idealism in this day and age. I'm not even sure that its the ideals that are keeping tech mammoths from bribing US congress. But I do think that its a very dangerous precedent to set, buying your way out of a problem. Irrespective of what comes of SOPA, there will always be things that you need to fix and taking such shortcuts is not the solution.<p>I know I'm quoting a TV series (24, Jack Bauer), but I hope HN will evaluate the following dispassionately (irrespective of what they think of the source of the quote): "When you cross that line, it always starts off with a small step. Before you know it, you're running as fast as you can in the wrong direction just to justify why you started in the first place. These laws were written by much smarter men than me. And in the end, I know that these laws have to be more important than....... "<p>I'm sure many of you will think my post reeks of naivete but I'd rather be "naive" than lose hope and give in to the shady tactics.<p>Once we start taking the easy way out, we lose the sense of urgency and the passion to actually solve the problem. When next such bill comes, everyone will lay back and watch someone with big pockets come in and save the day. Things wil never change that way.
y3di超过 13 年前
It feels wrong to endorse this as a solution. This is one of the biggest problems with the current American government. Instead of contributing to this issue we should be trying to fix this system that allows for open corruption and corporate interests controlling politics.<p>What's going to happen next time a piece of legislation turns up that we don't like? Should we just continue to pay off congress?
AndyKelley超过 13 年前
Paying money to stop something seems counter-productive. Why wouldn't pro-SOPA supporters just keep trying to pass the bill? We'd have to be sinking $80M into politics on a recurring basis. When I think about something so depressing as this, it makes me want to stick my head in the sand or move to another country.
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bad_user超过 13 年前
I think this is a dangerous line of though.<p>I don't know from where the expression "<i>fighting fire with fire</i>" came from, it probably applies to war or something, but in such a case the fire is only a side-effect of the enemy dropping freaking bombs on you. And any firefighter will tell you that fire is fought with water and fighting it with fire is just plain dumb.<p><i>The road to hell is paved with good intentions</i>, btw. I'm sure that some of the pro-SOPA companies have legitimate reasons for wanting extra protections. Dangerous counterfeits, like drugs, is one legitimate reason. And because they are businesses, they don't give a shit about human rights like free speech. But what company does care enough to put the interests of their shareholders on a second place? Nobody. Any solution that doesn't give power to the small players / individuals is NOT a solution, only a short-term victory that only fixes a symptom and that will end badly.<p>The author here forgets something - money from lobbying is only good for one thing - buying votes. This works out great, because the masses of people are usually ignorant and don't know shit about the details of such legislation. The only thing they'll hear is how SOPA saves their jobs. They'll also receive a pen, a teeshirt, a free drink and the vote is guaranteed.<p>Which is why the ultimate weapon against SOPA is raising awareness to the point of getting individuals to do something about it.
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nikcub超过 13 年前
an early mentor of mine told me that you have to work with and then subvert the environment you are in, rather than bitch about it. always stuck with me.<p>he just happen to run a large black market import operation in communist east europe.
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gojomo超过 13 年前
Well-targeted money can be part of the solution, but if it's your main tool, and you reach for your wallet too quickly, the racket will just raise its prices.<p>Once legislatures know there is a wealthy, well-organized group that will pay to stop something, they can actually create new proposed legislation simply to shake out a fresh round of 'protect me' contributions from affected interests. In California, these are traditionally called "juice bills":<p><a href="http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/citations/juice_bill_1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/citations/juice_bill_...</a>
johngalt超过 13 年前
tldr; The only way to stop the mob is to pay more protection money.
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masmullin超过 13 年前
I'm not a US citizen, and I don't fully understand all of the US laws and such; but doesn't this SOPA bill violate some fundamental freedom of information ideal?<p>Just because thepiratebay.org exists doesn't mean that the sole use for it is piracy (although copyright infringement is obviously it's first usage). One can go to the pirate bay to see which TV shows are popular, judge whether you would like to watch them based on the popularity, and then go and buy the material from a reputable source.
keeptrying超过 13 年前
I'm surprised Google, Apple et al, haven't pooled in a few $100 million to fight this. I don't understand why they didn't do this already.
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wikkiwa超过 13 年前
Money will impossible to get out of politics as long as the government has massive power to regulate the economy. As long as congress can give subsidies and contracts to favored industries and firms (necessarily at the expense of less favored firms and industries, who have to compete in the market) and also increase taxes and regulations on disfavored industries (finance, oil), then businesses would be insane to not spend as much money as they need to paying off senators to make sure they don't get screwed.<p>Everyone who votes for politicians that promise to increase Washington's power needs to realize that they're also voting to increase the influence of money in politics.
moocow01超过 13 年前
Completely agree... its sad how corrupt the US government is and its all bundled up in official terms that everyone takes for granted - lobbying, contributions, etc. US politics has become more and more a corrupt money grubbing system where actual governance and society is not considered. The people voting on this despite what they say are not thinking about how this affects the US society so our pleas are falling on deaf ears.<p>If it passes it seems like the unique power this community has is technical expertise. As some have already been doing, we should be talking about solutions that allow society to bypass SOPA (hopefully without anyone getting sent to Guantanamo).
acabal超过 13 年前
This is what I've been wondering aloud for a long time. Politics is bought and paid for. It's not the ideal situation, but it's the reality. Given that, why isn't Silicon Valley spending more money lobbying for Internet-positive legislation?<p>The media cartels are spending millions purchasing heinous oppressive legislation. Google and co can and should do better than a strongly-worded letter. (Read: can and should be spending more money than the media cartels to buy laws that favor their bottom line, and thus indirectly the internet in general.)
mwsherman超过 13 年前
I understand the reasoning here, and it has a logic to it, but I think it’s wrong. The tech industry will simply become part of the problem, and politicians will become empowered — more suitors competing for their attention.<p>Instead, I believe the approach to GoDaddy is a better example: that bad policy will hurt politicians’ ability to maintain support.<p>The Internet, and thus the industry, has enormous reach with voters (and lobbyers like GoDaddy). Swaying the support system is our best bet, and much more honest.
danberger超过 13 年前
Probably the best way to stop SOPA and show Members of Congress that we're serious is to make sure Lamar Smith (TX-21), the bill's original sponsor, loses. I'm still not sure which Dem is running against him though [1]<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texass_21st_congressional_district" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texass_21st_congressional_distr...</a>
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DodgyEggplant超过 13 年前
Free anti lobbying activist paying dirty money is SOPA ultimate victory. Money drove every regime since the Roman empire (and probaly ever). We have to let the new tools emerge: Internet, sharing, connect people. Let them work and evolve. Yes, it will take time. Yes, we will loose battles. But Ultimately we will win for good.
chernevik超过 13 年前
Washington responds to money, but what do they use the money for? If we assume they're corrupt, they would use the money to 1) enrich themselves or 2) win re-election.<p>And when you think about it, it doesn't make sense to enrich themselves so blatantly. People go to jail that way. Voters don't like politicians transparently bought and paid for.<p>And "campaign contributions" are _peanuts_ against the trillions sluicing every year through the federal fisc. Look at the money these guys make trading stock, in their "retirement" salaries as consultants and lobbyists, heads of foundations and executives in corporations with business before the government. Even if they're corrupt, they wouldn't be _stupid_ corrupt.<p>So politicians use campaign contributions to get re-elected. It isn't always above board, it's often employment of consultants and advisors whose chief. If you're sitting in a safe seat, your concern is your primary, and your real rivals are people of your own party below you. But they also help you win the general, by getting your name out there and shaping perceptions of you.<p>And that's the problem buying a corrupt Congressman. Let him want the money, he still must balance the image problem of taking the money. They can take the money at the margins. But after a point they can't take anymore without hurting themselves more than they help.<p>So how can the movie biz spend so much on this? The issue is marginal to the real drivers of the pols' incumbency, so they can afford to take more of the money on this one. And the showbiz lobbyists, who've been doing this a _very_ long time, know this, and got there first. It shouldn't surprise me to learn that money has done here as much as it could possibly do.<p>I don't think SOPA is inevitable. But it won't be stopped by imagining that politicians are simply stupid greedy.
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sleight42超过 13 年前
Theres also the president.<p>In '08, my wife and I sent a decent chunk of change to his campaign. I just wrote them that if he signs SOPA he loses our vote an our support.<p>At least it's something...
rkon超过 13 年前
Boycotting companies who make political donations IS one way of using money to win the fight. We can see which politicians and organizations those companies donate to, which means they need to stop donating or risk dealing with the backlash.<p>Sorry, but I guess being an "aggressive observer of politics" isn't a valid qualification for dispensing political advice.