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Windows 11 still not winning the OS popularity contest

33 点作者 nixcraft超过 2 年前

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gryf超过 2 年前
Despite writing tomes of scathing bitching about Windows 11, I have to say that the direction it&#x27;s going in is the correct one.<p>All they have to do is kill off the mandatory cloud sign in everywhere, the telemetry, the crapware bundled with it, fix the S3 sleep problems, actually do some QA for a change, make the onboarding experience smooth as butter, deal with the buggity hellscape that is Windows Hello, fix all the stupid HiDPI weirdness, clean up at least 50% of the legacy shite hiding behind it and start respecting customers again and they will have a product.<p>Oh and fucking stick to one UI for a bit.<p>Edit: honestly I would love to use Windows on a daily basis. I lived through the glory days of Windows 2000 and it was consistent and dependable back then. Every step forward since has been two steps backwards.
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UI_at_80x24超过 2 年前
The real issue here is that W11 doesn&#x27;t solve a problem or fix a need. Instead what it does do is makes unnecessary UI changes.<p>File explorer right-click menu change: check Advertisements for MS store&#x2F;MS services in working areas of the UI: check<p>Harder to create&#x2F;use a &#x27;local-only&#x27; account on non-enterprise versions of the OS: check<p>Not that long ago, the `safe` option for businesses was to wait until ServicePack 2 for an OS was released before we installed it. MS would have better W11 adoption if they had just called it Windows10 SP2.<p>I used W11 (because it came pre-installed on a laptop I bought) for 2 weeks. The right-click menu changes were infuriating. The &#x27;Start&#x27; menu is still an abomination. I had more popups advertising MS services and pushing a MS Account then I ever saw on the popup-hell of the 90-00&#x27;s internet.<p>IMHO It would take using &#x27;Start10&#x27; (is the new version called Start11?) to de-crapify W11 before I would want to use it, and since the upgrade is primarily cosmetic; then what&#x27;s the point of upgrading?
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eitally超过 2 年前
We have a Thinkpad running W11. It&#x27;s my son&#x27;s and I didn&#x27;t really think much about the OS until he started having issues (with things like the Windows Hello security system that automatically logs you in through webcam face recognition...supposedly).<p>It used to be that Windows had it&#x27;s own quirks, but the UI and functional interfaces were generally roughly equatable with what you&#x27;d get on a popular Linux distro, or OSX. Now, though, while you can still get under the hood easily, Microsoft has messed with the UI&#x2F;UX so much that it feels more like trying to use an XBOX for productivity than a desktop computer OS.<p>If it wasn&#x27;t for the fact that you can generally assume reverse compatibility and drivers for literally everything from MSFT, I think they&#x27;d have lost huge marketshare with this release. It&#x27;s a Vista for a new generation.
chrsig超过 2 年前
I feel like the odd one out on windows 11. I actually quite like it, and the UI changes it brings. I also approve of how well they&#x27;ve integrated wsl2. It&#x27;s been making many aspects of developing for both windows and linux much less painful.<p>I don&#x27;t like how much content it grabs from the internet on things like the menu bar and the start menu...but that&#x27;s about my only gripe with it.<p>I say this as someone that grew up using linux and gnome 1.4, 2.0, 3.0, having gone through various other desktop environments andwindow managers like enlightenment, kde, openbox, fluxbox, xmonad, etc. and abbreviating microsoft to &quot;m$&quot;. I don&#x27;t like microsoft as a corporation, and I&#x27;m no fanboy. but it seems nicer to use than what I&#x27;ve seen in the linux world. I definitely like it more than macOS.<p>Sometimes windows can still feel cluttery, but I&#x27;m very happy with how they allow easily snapping windows to current positions&#x2F;sizes.<p>I generally am only using firefox, clion&#x2F;goland&#x2F;emacs (in wsl2), and various games though. So maybe I&#x27;m just getting a limited experience. I also use it on a very beefy machine (12 core amd ryzen 9 3900xt, 128gb ram, 2x2tb nvme, gtx 3060). It could be on more average hardware that it&#x27;s a terrible experience.
dzdt超过 2 年前
As far as I can tell the main &#x27;feature&#x27; of Windows 11 is a stronger move towards everything-is-a-service (and particularly a service you have to pay for on an ongoing basis). Why else the push to be logged into microsoft and onedrive? Office365 being online only software-as-a-service was just the start. The goal is clear, and its clear its primarily a step backwards for the user.
eric__cartman超过 2 年前
Who would have thought that an operating system with crazy minimum system requirements and no meaningful improvements for the average user wouldn&#x27;t be a popular choice.
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StillBored超过 2 年前
Yah, I&#x27;m done with windows on personal hardware. I was late to 7, and refused to run 10, rather switching to KDE on a number of machines.<p>MS didn&#x27;t learn the lesson that apple taught them, about how a desktop interface doesn&#x27;t work well on small screen devices without keyboard&#x2F;mouse. Instead what they appear to have learned is that small screen UI&#x27;s designed for touch should be used on desktop systems with screen real estate measured in 10&#x27;s of square feet, and where the primary input device is a keyboard followed by a mouse.<p>And its terrible. People complain because it sucks. Not being able to figure out which window is active because they removed most of the visual active&#x2F;inactive window hinting, not being able to find more than a couple dozen programs works great for a work computer where your day job involves sitting in one of a small number of applications all day long, but fails miserably for any other use case. Even android&#x2F;iphone can group program&#x2F;icons by function these days (and have you seen anyone under 20&#x27;s phone screen? Those kids have 100&#x27;s of applications installed).<p>And yet the past 10 years of MS &quot;advancements&quot; are largely things people either didn&#x27;t ask for, or are reversions of things that were possible in older versions of the OS. Sure the task manager can now display network utilization, but you can&#x27;t figure out if the window your typing in is active until you realize that you just typed your SSH key unlock pin, into slack. And don&#x27;t get me started on the scroll bars, the new control panel UI has the same abominable f*ed up scroll bar situation as most web apps, and it still can only do about 1&#x2F;2 of what the old win7 control panel could. You have to try and scroll it 1&#x2F;2 the time before you can be sure there isn&#x27;t more information below the bottom of the window. Its just one user hostile change after another, and they add up... over and over. until it feels like the entire point is just to screw around with people.
paxys超过 2 年前
Looking at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcbenchmarks.net&#x2F;os-marketshare.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcbenchmarks.net&#x2F;os-marketshare.html</a>, Windows 11 seems to be gaining adoption at the expected rate, at least among the enthusiast crowd (who will run such tests). As with all previous versions, people aren&#x27;t going to be in any rush to upgrade their OS no matter the feature set. It will naturally gain market share when people throw away their devices and buy new ones.
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grishka超过 2 年前
I know some people who still use Windows 7. The reason is simple: they don&#x27;t want to fix what&#x27;s not broken. 7 is also the last properly-desktop release, and it also doesn&#x27;t put itself before the user.
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sonicgear1超过 2 年前
I am a life-long Windows user but 11 is just a total blunder.
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kyriakos超过 2 年前
I recently decided to upgrade from Windows 10. I have a 7th gen Intel cpu and was planning to a hardware upgrade so I said why not let&#x27;s give Windows 11 a try before abandoning this pc. To my surprise its much better than people make it to be. I did do a registry change for the right click menu, installed startallback but otherwise everything else is substantially improved. What surprised me mostly is that memory management has improved to the point I decided not to proceed with replacing my pc. It&#x27;s sad Microsoft chose not to support older cpu cause it really shines in regards to performance.
li2uR3ce超过 2 年前
It won&#x27;t run on perfectly fine hardware which manufactures EOL practically as it leaves the conveyor belt. They&#x27;d like the solution to everything be to buy a new one. So when Microsoft left it to manufactures to decide if a machine could run Windows 11, it was a lot of &quot;nope&quot;. Yes even the ones with new enough TPM.<p>When everyone wants 10 bucks from you, 10 bucks isn&#x27;t cheap. That model scales poorly at the PC price point.<p>They need to break Windows 10 and remove choice.
0cf8612b2e1e超过 2 年前
Don’t forget the feature regressions!<p>Also amusing to report that someone installed Windows 11 on an old pentium [0]. Evidently Microsoft used a processor blackist, but nobody thought to go back that far. So yes, arbitrary hardware restrictions.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcmag.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;no-new-pc-needed-windows-11-runs-on-a-15-year-old-intel-pentium-4-chip" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcmag.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;no-new-pc-needed-windows-11-runs-...</a>
phendrenad2超过 2 年前
Dug up a several weeks old comment of mine to repost this:<p>Windows 11 was released in Oct 2021. In Oct 2022, its market share was 15%.<p>Windows 10 was released in Jul 2015. In Jul 2016, its market share was 28%.<p>So not ALL that much of a difference, definitely not enough to be writing articles like this and expect to be taken as serious journalism.
binkHN超过 2 年前
I haven’t touched Windows 11—no big reason to. The fact Windows 10 will never get better is pushing me to give ChromeOS a shot on my next hardware refresh, and ChromeOS + it’s Linux VM support will likely seal the deal as my next OS going forward.
jgalentine007超过 2 年前
I did Windows Me, Vista and 8 already, I can&#x27;t put myself through another cycle. MacOS it is!
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Kukumber超过 2 年前
all my family is either on android or macOS for their laptop<p>i haven&#x27;t seen a windows machine in the wild for a while already<p>EDIT:<p>looks like i hurt some Microsoft Windows fanboys, life must be hard <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;pbSoAUn.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;pbSoAUn.png</a>