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The Metals Company subsidiary lifts over 3000T of nodules to sea surface

136 点作者 bill38超过 2 年前

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cstross超过 2 年前
Just as a reminder, the idea of mining deep sea manganese nodules was developed by Howard Hughes&#x27; Glomar subsidiary in the 1970s as a cover story for the CIA&#x27;s Project AZORIAN, a project to build a &quot;deep sea mining ship&quot; (the Hughes Glomar Explorer) that would deploy a sub-surface barge (the HMB-1) with a giant grapple to raise the sunken Soviet nuclear missile submarine K-129.<p>As such the scheme had to be &quot;sufficiently plausible bullshit&quot; to withstand scrutiny, while not necessarily needing to be economically feasible.<p>(No, I&#x27;m not making this up.)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Azorian" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Azorian</a>
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spqr0a1超过 2 年前
Unfortunately this sort of mining has long-term impacts on deep sea ecology. It causes substantial loss of species diversity and activity even 26 years later, with this paper estimating recovery will take at least 50 years for a small test patch. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;sciadv.aaz5922" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;sciadv.aaz5922</a>
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themgt超过 2 年前
Just found this article with some research from earlier polymetallic nodule mining finding significantly decreased carbon sequestration in the mined areas. Won&#x27;t be great news if mining the &quot;Planet’s Largest Deposit of Battery Metals&quot; winds up worsening global warming.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ceramics.org&#x2F;ceramic-tech-today&#x2F;environment&#x2F;exploring-effects-of-deep-sea-mining-polymetallic-nodule-extraction-may-cause-long-term-reduction-of-carbon-flow-throughput" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ceramics.org&#x2F;ceramic-tech-today&#x2F;environment&#x2F;explorin...</a>
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devindotcom超过 2 年前
Not that I have a better solution, but won&#x27;t this suck up and kill seabottom creatures and denude their habitat?
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grapescheesee超过 2 年前
I can&#x27;t help but think, more and more often; how destructive and short sighted human technology has become. I find it fascinating to watch how ingenious we are, but equally or more terrifying. The ocean is our single life sustaining force.
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jez超过 2 年前
I enjoyed this 3-minute video from The Metals Company YouTube channel a bit better than this press announcement for learning about what this company is and what they&#x27;re trying to do:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ib4azYzQY9k" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ib4azYzQY9k</a>
geuis超过 2 年前
I want to add a comment so people can watch this video about poor folks doing sea mining in Indonesia.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=aYAw26nSzBA&amp;t=657s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=aYAw26nSzBA&amp;t=657s</a><p>I&#x27;m not posting this as a critique of the parent link, just as additional data about this topic.<p>Summary: In many Indonesian islands, there used to be large deposits of tin. Those have mostly been mined out, and sea floor mining has taken over. There are approved commercial companies that do it, but the video shows poor folks who are doing offshore seafloor mining &quot;illegally&quot; in very unsafe conditions. In either case, the practice rips up the sea bed and causes ecology problems.<p>* I quote &quot;illegally&quot; because the system largely sounds like it&#x27;s powered by bribes to get the right certifications.
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Darkphibre超过 2 年前
The metric of &quot;hauling 40 Tesla Model S vehicles up every sixty minutes.&quot; is a strange one. A &#x27;93 Honda Accord would be divisible to the minute (60&#x2F;hr). Or even 52lbs&#x2F;second... Though I suppose those don&#x27;t sound as flashy.<p>Alternatively, I&#x27;d be curious how many tesla <i>batteries</i> in raw materials that equated to per hour.
opwieurposiu超过 2 年前
It is crazy that there are trillions of dollars worth of these nodules laying around just waiting for someone to pick them up.<p>Congrats to the team that made this work.
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mojomark超过 2 年前
If anyone is wondering how people can just destroy natural commons with no recourse, one need only look to the ISA headquartered in Kingston, Jamaica (1.). Sure, they&#x27;ve fully investigated the irreversable ecological repercussions and have taken zero kickbacks.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;International_Seabed_Authority" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;International_Seabed_Authority</a>
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zoklet-enjoyer超过 2 年前
Oh, I thought this type of mining didn&#x27;t even exist and was just a cover for that nuclear submarine retrieval
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Thoreandan超过 2 年前
Hadn&#x27;t heard of this, found concerns about the environmental impact &amp; the CEO&#x27;s previous company Nautilus Minerals:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Metals_Company" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Metals_Company</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Manganese_nodule" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Manganese_nodule</a><p>(2021-Jun) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;environmental-investing-frenzy-stretches-meaning-of-green-11624554045" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;environmental-investing-frenzy-...</a>
AceJohnny2超过 2 年前
An opposite take of the validity of deep sea mining was covered on Real Engineering&#x27;s youtube channel a couple months ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;73mXXJpEjRI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;73mXXJpEjRI</a>
georgeecollins超过 2 年前
I couldn&#x27;t figure out from this article what a &quot;nodule collection system&quot; is? A submarine, a robot, a big bucket?<p>That&#x27;s the part I am really curious about if anyone knows.
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zeristor超过 2 年前
In the 80s on UK’s Channel 4, there was a series of four films, Oceanus Ecumenicus, that talked about mining ocean floor nodules, Ocean Thermal Energy (OTEC), Saudi Arabia mining silver from the bottom of the Red Sea, I can’t remember what the fourth one was but since the series was sponsored by British Gas I could make a guess.<p>I’d love to see that again, but it doesn’t seem to have found it’s way to YouTube yet.
Mizza超过 2 年前
What happened to the common heritage of all mankind?[1] How come these fuckers can go and grab them for themselves?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Common_heritage_of_humanity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Common_heritage_of_humanity</a>
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pfdietz超过 2 年前
I want to remind everyone that the reason one might mine manganese nodules is <i>not</i> for the manganese, it&#x27;s for the lower concentration elements like cobalt and copper. Manganese is very cheap; South Africa has enormous quantities.
pugworthy超过 2 年前
If this was 1974, it would be &quot;..much of it packed into a Soviet submarine...&quot;<p>It&#x27;s crazy how as a child in that era, I totally bought into the Glomar Explorer being this amazing thing.<p>And 45-50 years later, here we are.
metalliqaz超过 2 年前
Why is the text on that website 3x larger than all the rest of the text on my PC? Who looks at that formatting, nods, and says &quot;yup, ship it!&quot;
BasilPH超过 2 年前
The perspective of the photograph makes me think the collector is the size of a small house. Is this true, or just an optical illusion?
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lattalayta超过 2 年前
for more information, there was a podcast episode on the daily about this practice<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;podcasts&#x2F;the-daily&#x2F;electric-cars-sea-mining-pacific-ocean.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;podcasts&#x2F;the-daily&#x2F;electr...</a>
pauljurczak超过 2 年前
I would like to know the average element ratio in the mined nodules. Is it really what they were hoping for?
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stuaxo超过 2 年前
This sounds like a disaster for the ecosystem in the sea and especially on the sea bed.
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Guthur超过 2 年前
Lol, this is going to be so much better for the environment, right?
janee超过 2 年前
Article aside, the interface shown top left in the control room pic looks quite polished.<p>Couldn&#x27;t make out what the program is called...was expecting a more win xp looking UI haha
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unethical_ban超过 2 年前
3000 Teslas!