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The Overlords Finally Showed Up

142 点作者 DanielBMarkham超过 2 年前

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lkrubner超过 2 年前
These two items have always been true, they do not describe the future.<p>For instance:<p>&quot;If I take position A on something and you take position B, it&#x27;s possible that we can both believe the other person is conversing in good faith.&quot;<p>There are only 8 or 9 people in the world with whom I can have good and challenging conversations. I have to know they are arguing in good faith. I don&#x27;t waste my time arguing with someone who might be arguing in bad faith. I don&#x27;t waste my time arguing with someone who is lying, or who doesn&#x27;t believe in anything they themselves say, or who is simply trying to manipulate me, or who is simply trying to insult me, or whose idea of veritable fact is utterly different from my own.<p>There are also those who are simply engaged in mental work so different from my own that I would have to devote years of study before I could understand them, and I have no interest in investing those years. Gödel&#x27;s incompleteness theorems remind us that for any given system of axioms there will be statements that are true but which cannot be proven true using only the given axioms. If I were to waste time engaging such people in conversation then they might end up saying something that is logically consistent but it would take me several years of effort to figure out that their statement was logically consistent, and without investing those years of effort, it simply sounds like they are speaking nonsense. But I don&#x27;t have enough lifetimes to figure that out.<p>Therefore, challenging conversations, that are personally useful, have always been limited to small groups of people.<p>Likewise:<p>&quot;I think there&#x27;s a future for folks who self-organize into interlocking circles of trust.&quot;<p>That is the way things have worked for humans for at least 10,000 years. We self-organize into interlocking circles of trust. That&#x27;s how circles of friendship work.
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dsign超过 2 年前
Pretty interesting article I happen to agree with.<p>As other commenters have noted, we no longer know if any content we <i>read</i> in the Internet is legit. Soon enough, the problem will go beyond text and encompass image and video[1]. Give it a little longer, and entire digital personas will pop up. Next will be &quot;feedback narratives&quot;, where groups of AIs, possibly de-federated, will use content produced by each other to produce even more content (similar to how fanlit works today, but in longer and longer chains).<p>We will find mechanisms to cope of course, but it may well be that our kind-of-true-information free-lunch is about to end.<p>[^1]: It&#x27;s somewhat possible still to discern images generated using AI.
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pushcx超过 2 年前
&gt; Back in the day, all the tech folks hung out online at a place called slashdot (&#x2F;. – CLI folks will get it)<p>It&#x27;s not a CLI reference. Slashdot was named for how it sounds read aloud: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slashdot.org&#x2F;faq&#x2F;slashmeta.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slashdot.org&#x2F;faq&#x2F;slashmeta.shtml</a><p>&gt; &quot;Slashdot&quot; is an intentionally obnoxious URL. When Rob registered the domain <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slashdot.org</a>, he wanted a URL that was confusing when read aloud. (Try it!)
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njarboe超过 2 年前
It would be very useful if it was required by law to inform people when they are interacting with or consuming content from a ML&#x2F;AI system. Like how you get a warning when you are being recorded on a call to customer service. Have a known icon present in a chat box when a computer system is responding. Same on social media, blog posts, articles, art, etc. Otherwise I think things are going to get very weird and lots of mental health problems are going to get worse.
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version_five超过 2 年前
Isn&#x27;t AI (chatgpt) basically too late to the party. If I&#x27;m understanding the thrust of the article is that language models can easily generate content that you don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s true or not, with various opinions and points of view.<p>But the internet already has that. And that&#x27;s how chatgpt can generate it&#x27;s text, because it&#x27;s trained on the internet as a corpus. So it can make more of the same, slanted and untrustable and maybe indistinguishable from whether a person wrote it. But that&#x27;s nothing new.
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college_physics超过 2 年前
&gt; &quot;spammers are evolving into something we are not able to recognize as spam&quot;<p>There is something deeply sad (if not freightening) to invent a enormously powerful digital <i>augmentation</i> technology and use it primarily to <i>dimimish</i> our humanity as it drowns in fake replicas
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tazoptica超过 2 年前
It’s unpredictable what the future looks like but I agree there is something new in AI’s revealed capabilities.<p>This could “frontfire” (that is, backfire against bad actors). The web has been flooded with corporate sock puppetry for a decade, drowning out legitimate content. What ChatGPT is scaring people about has been within an epsilon dollar amount of being true for a long time.
simonbarker87超过 2 年前
I’m very concerned about where this is going. I can absolutely see the benefit of this technology and have used it a couple of times in the last week to genuinely save me time and come up with some ideas.<p>My concern is where this is going, if the marginal cost to produce, effectively, infinite content is zero then what’s the point here? What’s are we doing and where are we going?<p>Is the aim ti get to a point where humans don’t have to do anything? It’s all taken care of? Because if AI can make our art, create all media formats of our content, handle problems and do a lot of our physical tasks then … what’s the point?<p>People look at me as if I’m mad, but in the space of 12 months we’ve gone from “AI can’t even manage multiple timers” (not quite but if you live with a Siri then you get it) to “holy moly, I can’t tell if that painting was made by a human or not” which is bonkers.<p>I guess we need to see if we are at the start of the exponential curve or approaching a plateau.
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drewcoo超过 2 年前
&gt; The Dark Ages were a time where humanity forgot how to read and write, where one person, a priest, was the sole person in your social life that could tell you truth from fiction. The Enlightenment changed all of that by re-teaching literacy.<p>And the article retcons literacy onto the past.<p>&gt; I think the worst part of this is how completely insane I probably sound to folks.<p>No. It&#x27;s worse for the reader. I stopped there.
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nathan_compton超过 2 年前
I think the problem with this narrative is that it assumes that the _online_ is the only reality. For the foreseeable future AIs will be restricted to the digital world. I know its hard for us terminally online types to get it: but in fact, most people mostly live in the real world.<p>And even for things with epistemological import its hard to imagine (current) language model based AI having a big impact beyond making certain things I might have done with a search engine a little more convenient. Like if I need to know something of consequence, I&#x27;ll still turn to a textbook or a bonafide human expert that I work with.
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skybrian超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s a side point, but the bit about the Dark Ages and the Enlightenment is wrong and I recommend looking for real history to read if you&#x27;re interested.<p>Here is a thread about literacy in ancient Rome. Short answer is that it&#x27;s complicated:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;AskHistorians&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3huswa&#x2F;how_literate_was_the_average_roman_citizen_did&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;AskHistorians&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3huswa&#x2F;how_l...</a>
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mach1ne超过 2 年前
I don’t recognize the described risk. If spam gets so advanced that individual articles are indistinguishable from human-produced material, reputation steps in, forcing much more ability from the bots to keep up with human content producers. If language models or their descendants are able to overcome this barrier, then it doesn’t really matter who produces the content.
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CoastalCoder超过 2 年前
&gt; &quot;I for one welcome our new X overlords&quot; ... This quote began back in 1905 with H.G. Wells&#x27; short story &quot;Empire of the Ants&quot; and has taken on a life of its own, as shown in this Simpsons clip.<p>I never knew that. I always assumed it started with a line from Half-life 2.
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lifeisstillgood超过 2 年前
More and more I think we need proof of being human to participate in the &quot;town square&quot;. It essentially means the end of anonimity online, but I struggle to see how we overcome bots without it.
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tazedsoul超过 2 年前
It is written in the New Testament scriptures and the book of Revelation.<p>The author wrote, “It&#x27;s like tech is making each one of us our own little village with a computer priest.”<p>Indeed it is. Make no mistake. We are building a false god in hopes that it will serve us. However, this thing is not of the creator but man. The technologists have forgotten history.
galaxyLogic超过 2 年前
&quot;Bad Faith&quot; is an interesting concept. What might be the best concise definition of it? How to recognize it?
29athrowaway超过 2 年前
They are not overlords for now. The overlords will continue to be the elites, augmented by new tools.
taormina超过 2 年前
Relevant XKCD: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;810" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;810</a>
Peregrine1超过 2 年前
If this is a problem that a bunch of people actually complain about, hardware makers will just introduce apis to let systems know a human is typing. Think verified buyer on Amazon
m0rissette超过 2 年前
Best article I’ve read in a while.