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Kagi – Paid Search Engine

229 点作者 Yeri超过 2 年前

41 条评论

shepherdjerred超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve paid and used Kagi for about six months. I used DDG for a while, but I found myself putting !g after every query (especially when looking for answers relating to programming). With Kagi I very, very rarely need to use Google.<p>It has some nice features, like lenses, URL rewriting, and the ability to bump sites to the top.<p>I have a lens for programming. It shows only certain sites, like GitHub and Stack Exchange, and I enable it when appropriate.<p>For URL rewriting, I have Kagi set to rewrite URLs from Twitter and Reddit to my own self-hosted instances of Nitter [0] and Teddit [1], so that when I open a Kagi result that would&#x27;ve gone to twitter.com, it goes to nitter.mydomain.com, which lets me use Twitter without an account.<p>Lastly, I use the site bumping feature to move Wikipedia results to the top.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;zedeus&#x2F;nitter">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;zedeus&#x2F;nitter</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;teddit-net&#x2F;teddit">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;teddit-net&#x2F;teddit</a>
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gamegoblin超过 2 年前
Switched to Kagi 2 months ago, can&#x27;t recommend it enough.<p>It&#x27;s not that it&#x27;s <i>better</i> than google (although it is for some types of searches). It&#x27;s that it&#x27;s not <i>worse</i>. Bing and DuckDuckGo are worse than google. I tried to switch to DDG many times, but fell back to google at least 1&#x2F;3 of the time.<p>I haven&#x27;t googled a single thing since switching to Kagi. Easily worth the $10&#x2F;mo to not have my search history monetized, and to work with a company whose incentives are maximally aligned with giving me the content I am searching for.<p>Kagi also has nice features like personalized upweighting&#x2F;downweighting of certain websites.<p>The Kagi team is also super responsive to feedback. I&#x27;ve submitted a few bug&#x2F;feature requests that have gotten fixed within a week or two.<p>It&#x27;s amazing that a small team can compete with google.
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sinoue超过 2 年前
Kagi would be smart to offer a few tiers of service to encourage paid adoption. Have a pricey one time lifetime fee that goes up in price each year. Have a reasonable flat one time fee to increase the number of searches over free so that folks not ready for a subscription will jump at the opportunity. Add a &quot;member since 20xx&quot; icon to log in screen to let folks show how long they&#x27;ve been a member. Sell t-shirt, hoodie, laptop stickers, phone case, coffee mug swag to increase awareness. Make it easy to organize bookmarks, share search results and curate search lists.
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jareklupinski超过 2 年前
I switched to Kagi a few months ago, and initially I was super impressed with how much faster I could find an authoritative result for exactly the technical or niche thing I needed.<p>However over the past two weeks it seems, blog spam and SEO started creeping into my results. I use the &quot;Lower&quot; and &quot;Block&quot; controls much more today than when I first started, but I wonder if there&#x27;s a better way to flag something as obviously nefarious or worthless?<p>The &quot;# of trackers&quot; sidebar panel with the popularity metric help my eyes filter out the nonsense, but could the community&#x27;s Lower and Block ratings be fed back into the rankings for everyone? Unless someone is actually paying $10 a month to artificially inflate their page rankings by Raising their own spam...
furyofantares超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m 2 months into paying for Kagi. I&#x27;m so happy not having ads. I didn&#x27;t really expect it to feel so different to me, but it does. Similarly, I didn&#x27;t expect to feel good about paying for it. But it feels like a breath of fresh air, to be paying for a service that I deem worth the price, that isn&#x27;t trying to extract money from me through a side channel.<p>I think the results have been better for me, though in a couple cases a top ranked result was 404&#x27;ing, which I&#x27;ve never had on google.<p>The UI is better imo, and I&#x27;ve occasionally used lenses which has been useful.<p>I haven&#x27;t ever used !g in two months. I have a very fond spot in my heart for Google of years past, I fondly remember finding it in 1998 and feeling like I had an absolute superpower not just over people not on the internet, but over people still using the other search engines.<p>And I also am somewhat of an apologist, when people dump on Google search results getting worse over the years I&#x27;m quick to point out that it&#x27;s a highly adversarial problem and they&#x27;re the primary target.<p>But 24 years later, I couldn&#x27;t be happier switching to Kagi now. Frankly, while I&#x27;m quite happy with my current work, it makes me fantasize of working for them.
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jsnell超过 2 年前
Previous discussions in the last year:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29835756" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29835756</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31584791" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31584791</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32676993" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32676993</a>
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NayamAmarshe超过 2 年前
How does it compare to Brave Search?<p>I know from experience that Brave Search is a lot better than DDG (and way cleaner than Google) and also supports bangs. When I was on DDG, I frequently used !g but on Brave Search, I haven&#x27;t had such need (except for when I want to search for images)
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badrabbit超过 2 年前
Tried it. You don&#x27;t get better quality of anything. You just get to pay someone to collect your search history under an account with PII and payment info also associated. You have to login each time you search stuff in private browsing. Very annoying when I go back to a tab or back to search results and I need to login to see them. It is a worse experience and I have to pay for it and I can&#x27;t use cash, coin, giftcards,etc...<p>I think they wanted to emulate proton maybe? But they don&#x27;t have a free tier with at least ddg like experience and charge for premium features. Only people with a lot of disposable income who really care about privacy but also trust a company to not associate their info with their search history will use this.
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user3939382超过 2 年前
I switched to it the last month or so. Got sick of DDG blatantly ignoring my query terms, Google’s results are filled with so many special result formats and SEO spam I don’t even know what I’m looking at anymore, never mind the creepiness factor of Google.<p>Kagi’s results have been great. My biggest complaint is that it’s a weird name, which is really a compliment.
poszlem超过 2 年前
I have been using Kagi for the last few months and it&#x27;s the first alternative search engine (tried the Brave&#x27;s one and DDG) that does not make me go back to google every other search.<p>On the flips side, though, getting a &quot;you cannot search anymore until you&#x27;ve paid&quot; message was quite a shock to me. Like - I paid for it to try it out. It worked well, so it wasn&#x27;t really a &quot;nobody told me there would be a subscription&quot; kind of shock, but more like on that second month I got the &quot;wait, am I actually paying for the access to a search engine?&quot; realization.<p>Makes you notice how much we are getting conditioned to the &quot;out business for your data&quot; business model.
Version467超过 2 年前
I’ve been paying for Kagi since September (which is when they started charging for their service), and I’m really happy with it so far.<p>The search results are noticeably <i>not worse</i> than googles, even for things that depend heavily on location. I really didn’t feel the need to fall back to Google more than once or twice in total. I also feel like their ranking is slightly better in that the first or second result is usually what I’m looking for, not half a page down.<p>10$ a month is the upper limit of what I am comfortable paying for it, I’d feel much better if it were 5$. But I really, really want Kagi to succeed. They have a great product, if they can’t make paid search work then I fear it’s not going to happen at all. So I pay 10 bucks a month for a great search engine with a great interface where I can be sure that my data isn’t sold of.<p>Sidenote: I can also highly recommend their Orion browser for Mac. It’s based on safari (so it’s light on resources and very battery friendly), but supports chrome extensions + it has first class support for tree style tabs.
Spivak超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been having a good time with Kagi but I can&#x27;t figure out how &quot;In fact, it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches&quot; can be possible. That&#x27;s on the order of Midjourney, DALL-E, and Davinci-003 and they&#x27;re shoveling GPUs into furnaces to power their servers.
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AOsborn超过 2 年前
I can&#x27;t help but feel that the pricing is backwards.<p>I understand funding the growth of the business but $120&#x2F;year per-person isn&#x27;t going to fly.<p>Imagine trying to explain to your family why they should switch - oh, that is four accounts - nearly $500&#x2F;year.<p>Instead I think the pricing should be something that is &#x27;set and forget&#x27;. $10&#x2F;year with an annual payment would probably be enough to get me to sign up.<p>Then the issue is scale. I remember old Twitter revenue models being discussed - $1&#x2F;user&#x2F;year - once you have 10m, 100m users etc the business will be well funded.
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methou超过 2 年前
Happy paying customer here. I live in Japan while my main language use is English, I found that &quot;International&quot; option is quite useful - tech results are in English, while localilty related queries are in Japanese.<p>There&#x27;s one aspect Kagi is not improving - the &quot;explicit&quot; results. Personally I find it&#x27;s difficult to justify the universal effort across all the platforms and &quot;monopolies&quot; to minimizing the explicit results for adults.
metadat超过 2 年前
Previous submissions (note: they&#x27;re frequent):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;from?site=kagi.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;from?site=kagi.com</a>
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iansinnott超过 2 年前
Can confirm, not worse than Google. I do still use !g to use Google occasionally, but as often as not I&#x27;m disappointed in the Google results.<p>It&#x27;s quite refreshing to have lenses for specific types of searches (programming, for instance) and be able to set up URL redirects (reddit -&gt; old.reddit, for example).
nnx超过 2 年前
&gt; it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches.<p>$0.0125 per search seems awfully high. Do they think this cost can be compressed as more users use Kagi thanks to economies of scale?
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imwillofficial超过 2 年前
I’m a subscriber and have enjoyed it so far. I’m a firm believer that we should pay for the things we use to avoid becoming the product.
antoinebalaine超过 2 年前
Kagi&#x27;s made the internet pleasant again for me - the very low amount of noise in the search results, and removing the pervasive sensation that I was constantly getting tricked into garbage results, that&#x27;s been a very positive shift. For 10$, it&#x27;s been totally worth it - search remains an invaluable daily door into the internet, and good quality pay-for-search promises positive compounding effects: low noise-to-signal ratio, a potential shift in business incentives away from advertising, better access to information, a reduction of bias, etc.
piva00超过 2 年前
I switched to Kagi after getting extremely fed up and tired of massaging my Google queries the exact way it was needed to clear SEO-spam and useless results. It&#x27;s been 4 months and I don&#x27;t see myself not using Kagi anymore, it&#x27;s been a blessing for any queries related to programming.<p>I love the lenses feature and the search in discussions, so much easier to use than having my curated list of &quot;site:&lt;domain&gt;&quot; to search through on Google.<p>It&#x27;s been very worth the US$ 10&#x2F;month for what&#x27;s arguably the internet service I use the most: search.
jpalomaki超过 2 年前
I’ve been using Kagi as pretty much only search engine on desktop for several months and I’m happy as well.<p>This is how paid versions of free services should be. Time is valuable and I’m easily distracted - one interesting ad&#x2F;link&#x2F;snippet can take me to a rabbit hole. With Kagi my feeling is that there’s less of these distractions.<p>This is also something I dislike on YouTube. I pay to get rid of ads, but still they employ the usual trickery to keep me on the site as long as possible.
weird-eye-issue超过 2 年前
I searched &quot;best air purifiers&quot; and the second result was for the home page of nutriteam.com which is apparently a water distilling company. Hmm. It seems the &quot;best headphones&quot; sample result is cherry picked<p>If you try &quot;best air purifier&quot; then this is the second result, because surely somebody searching that wants to 3D print and assemble their own air purifier <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Kels316&#x2F;DIY-Air-Purifier">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Kels316&#x2F;DIY-Air-Purifier</a>. And this is the FIRST result: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;wirecutter&#x2F;blog&#x2F;watchdog-rejects-molekule-air-purifier-claims&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;wirecutter&#x2F;blog&#x2F;watchdog-rejects-mol...</a><p>Yeah I think I will stick with Google
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infinitezest超过 2 年前
I don&#x27;t know what y&#x27;all are searching for but DDG works for me pretty consistently.
quags超过 2 年前
That price is quite steep for search, which I’m personally using less and less, and prices out developing countries that have high growth right now. Obviously pricing and costs are the same regardless of who is searching. For my personal use I have ddg and do frequently add !g to searches - ddg hasn’t been great but not to the level of turning it off. I frequently will add Reddit to get reviews , Wikipedia for articles or stack overflow for programming. When I search I’m not logged in ( no gmail for example) so paying to have a searched where I’m logged in does not motivate me for privacy - only to pay for maybe a better company than google.
mbirth超过 2 年前
So the consensus seems to be that Kagi&#x27;s results are &quot;not worse or better&quot; than Google&#x27;s. So did anyone do a comparison between Kagi and SearX&#x2F;SearXNG?
mberning超过 2 年前
User for a couple months. Love it.
oogabooga13超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been a paid subscriber for awhile now and I&#x27;d describe it as the fastmail to gmail.<p>Although fastmail is quite a developed thing you can see where kagi is heading the longer they stay in the game.<p>It&#x27;s up there in value with Youtube premium for me...I will pay a reasonable price for a life without ads given the option for a service I depend on.<p>Just me 02 cents.
oa335超过 2 年前
I could have sworn that they were offering a “Investor” tier of subscription, $5000 for a SAFE note and unlimited subscription; I can’t seem to find it on their site though. Did anyone else see this or am I misremembering?
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autotune超过 2 年前
Can anyone else compare this to you.com, which is a similar concept in regards to increased privacy? I plan to sign up for Kagi tomorrow, but having used Kagi until I ran out of search on the free version, you.com seems to offer more features specifically in regards to YouChat and ability to preview certain results. It&#x27;s also free for right now but wonder if they plan to go the ad-supported route in the feature, which would be a deal breaker for me over just paying a monthly plan like you do with Kagi.
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Covalent超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been using kagi for a couple months now and I&#x27;m a big fan. I never have to use Google to search because the results are good enough for me. And I enjoy that I&#x27;m not being pushed into affiliate links and ads all the time.
rgrieselhuber超过 2 年前
Been watching this with much interest since it launched, have always thought there was a market for this type of product.
dagurp超过 2 年前
Just parroting what others are saying. Good service but I stopped using it because $10 a month is too much IMO
yuck39超过 2 年前
I beta tested Kagi (free) and was really impressed with the results it would give me. Having to login to a search engine was a bit of a pain, especially with different browser profiles and private mode. I understand that will inherently be a limitation with Kagi.
janalsncm超过 2 年前
I want this to succeed. I probably won’t hop in at the $10 price point but I probably would at $5.
slaw超过 2 年前
I tried Kagi and it is not better than Google or DDG, IMHO not worth any money. I use Google by default and Yandex when I am looking for PDFs, images, repair instructions, pages not indexed by Google at all.
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amai超过 2 年前
How does it compare to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neeva.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neeva.com&#x2F;</a> ?
ls15超过 2 年前
Which private payment methods does Kagi allow as a self-proclaimed &quot;100% privacy-respecting search engine&quot;?
nunez超过 2 年前
I&#x27;d like to use Kagi but I can&#x27;t make it a default search engine in Safari. Until then, DuckDuck it is!
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phosphorco超过 2 年前
Curious how folks think this compares to Neeva? For whatever reason, didn&#x27;t quite stick with that one.
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Mortiffer超过 2 年前
recently i had a legit use for going past the 10th page of google, after which it wants to give me no more into. I tried the same query on kagi only got 2 pages.... I don&#x27;t see if the premium actually gets u more
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lebaux超过 2 年前
information was always free lol