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Mac OS Ventura Issues

102 点作者 naetius超过 2 年前

32 条评论

donatj超过 2 年前
I really miss the days of a rock solid release every ~4ish~ 3ish years - when it was ready.<p>This treadmill yearly release cycle of half finished OS&#x27;s released not because it was a good collection of well built features ready to be released, rather released because it was time for a release, have done nothing but tarnish the OS.<p>It&#x27;s still the best UNIX desktop, end of story. The difference between macOS and Windows though isn&#x27;t as big as it was when I switched 20 years ago, and most of the gap was closed by macOS getting worse and not by Windows getting better. In the current state, given the existence and relative decent usability of WSL2, given the choice today rather than twenty years ago, I may have never switched.<p>The thing that really gets me is just reliability. In the early aughts when I asked macOS to do something there was no question, it would work. That was the excuse for having far less verbose output of what&#x27;s happening. You didn&#x27;t need it because everything worked. Now we still have total lack of output of what&#x27;s happening, and things just fail silently all the time. It&#x27;s become a very frustrating OS to try to love.
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pram超过 2 年前
The author doesn&#x27;t even have Ventura installed, he&#x27;s just commenting on another blog. He hasn&#x27;t used a new version since High Sierra:<p>&quot;I probably mentioned this a few times on social media, but the simple answer is that, apart from my 2017 iMac, none of my current main machines is supported by Ventura. And that iMac is my High Sierra machine, which I’m not going to update to run experiments or to study Ventura’s UI. What I’ve seen on other people’s Macs or borrowed Macs has been enough to make me say, No thanks.&quot;<p>Thats fine but, what is the point? It&#x27;s basically speculation. He doesn&#x27;t know first hand if theres any issues he&#x27;d personally experience in the FIVE releases since then. He&#x27;s basically just reading other blogs and saying &#x27;yes it is bad&#x27;<p>It&#x27;s like someone who hasn&#x27;t used Windows since 8 saying it still sucks.
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maximilianroos超过 2 年前
FWIW I don&#x27;t have the same experience at all — I mostly find each release, MacOS gets a bit better. I don&#x27;t see lots of bugs.<p>The weight of commenters here is clearly not in the favor of my experience!<p>Maybe that&#x27;s because I don&#x27;t notice things? Or I don&#x27;t use many of Mac apps, like Mail &#x2F; Finder &#x2F; Mission Control &#x2F; etc (thanks to Alacritty + VSCode + Contexts + Amethyst)?<p>But I have to use Windows &amp; Linux machines for other things, and I <i>vastly</i> prefer using a Mac.
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logicalmonster超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve noticed more minor UI bugs than usual, but what&#x27;s really glaring to me is system stability.<p>I&#x27;m not sure of the cause, but I&#x27;ve seen Mission Control and the Dock randomly freeze&#x2F;crash in some weird state and make the system completely unusable, or for some memory leak (I think) to just randomly cause the system to slow to a crawl even with all Apps killed and necessitate restarts much more often than reasonably necessary. In the past I&#x27;ve gone months between restarts, but now I can&#x27;t go more than a week or so.<p>What I&#x27;d really like to see is a slower operating system development cycle. There&#x27;s no reason that we need brand new operating systems every year. There should be a minimum 2 full years between releases, taking the time to plan out the UI really well and create rock-solid features and kill almost all bugs. I used to be so excited for new MacOS versions and now I&#x27;ve come to dread them.<p>That said, I&#x27;d still rather deal with Mac&#x27;s relatively minor problems than the total shitstorm that my Windows box always is.
pwinnski超过 2 年前
Author doesn&#x27;t use Ventura, has never used Ventura, but has strong opinions on Ventura. Commenters tend to agree, one even referring to the blog post as a &quot;report.&quot;<p>Whether MacOS is more or less buggy on any given release seems to have everything to do with what collection of hardware and software you&#x27;re running, in my experience, but I suppose if your opinion is based on the entire internet, every day can only bring increased bugginess forever.<p>Posted from a MacOS Ventura 13.1 box without any issues I can think off right away. Certainly none of the issues mentioned in the article. No idea why.
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matwood超过 2 年前
Yawn. Every new version ends up with issues, and many will say &#x27;it&#x27;s the worst version ever!&#x27;. Any system that has a lot of users will have some portion of those users hitting problems. People also tend to look back with rose colored glasses so current-N was better.<p>Ventura has worked fine for me. The betas worked fine. I haven&#x27;t thought much about macOS in a long time. I install it, and then mostly ignore it while I work.
daneel_w超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been using OS X since 2005 and have of course noticed the same, how to put it... dissipating quality assurance... that set root somewhere around 2010. But I recently moved from Mojave to Monterey, and to my great surprise it has been an almost flawless experience. Not a single annoyance worth mentioning.
agsnu超过 2 年前
I remember in the mid-00s, Mac laptops suddenly became popular - one of the reasons was you could take them around and plug them in to TVs&#x2F;projectors and they <i>just worked</i>, but Windows was really hit-and-miss. Now it seems like that&#x27;s flipped, and MacBooks have random external display issues these days... Sad.
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spamizbad超过 2 年前
When Avie Tevanian was still at Apple, every version of MacOS got better: Not just more features, but fewer bugs, better performance etc. Now it seems like you get a visual refresh, a handful of minor features, along with a host of bugs that spend the next year getting fixed until the next release and the cycle repeats.
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mikhailt超过 2 年前
Too much to hope for, I know but I secretly hope there&#x27;s a secret side project for a new coreOS release specifically for all Apple Silicon devices. Kinda like what they did with the first Intel release of OSX (they started working on it 5 years before the first Intel Mac).<p>I&#x27;m hoping within a few years, Apple will reveal the coreOS release (no Intel support) that unifies everything from Apple Watch all the way to Mac Pro.<p>Just to be clarify, I am not talking about simplified iPhone interface on Mac but a new kernel (maybe linux derived?), unified tech stack (radio(bluetooth&#x2F;wifi), APFS, Swift-only apps, etc) that&#x27;s the same across all devices. This would allow them to simplify the whole process, work once and make it work right everywhere once.
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alberth超过 2 年前
UI inconsistency in macOS over the years has gotten worse.<p>I don’t notice as many bugs as others, but UI for sure is an issue.<p>Here’s an interest blog post from a former Apple UI employee.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.corbinstreehouse.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;macos-12-monterey-and-user-interface-inconsistencies&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.corbinstreehouse.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;10&#x2F;macos-12-monte...</a>
karlshea超过 2 年前
They really screwed up the NFS server on Ventura, specifically when it interacts with Docker Desktop.<p>We figured out a workaround in the Docker issue queue but due to apathy in both camps around solving actual problems instead of doing yet another UI refresh it&#x27;s just not worth sending anything through Feedback Assistant or trying to get the Docker folks to look into it.<p>Otherwise I see some UI fixes from the last release, but now there are some new bugs! It really is just totally sloppy over there, I wish they would stop annual releases.
BurningFrog超过 2 年前
My big problem is my Mac now doesn&#x27;t remember which screen my windows are on after a sleep.<p>Most of them, sure, but there is often a several minute session of moving things to where they&#x27;re supposed to be.<p>Only me?
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peterbmarks超过 2 年前
The issues listed are Finder issues. I haven&#x27;t seen them. Finder is vulnerable to connected storage devices. I did have a dodgy USB drive connected to one machine and all sorts of weird things happened, such as beach balling, until I disconnected it.
detrites超过 2 年前
The author mentions there&#x27;s no downgrade path for new machines that come pre-installed with Monterey or Ventura.<p>Genuine question - is that really true?
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graypegg超过 2 年前
Other than the settings app, which I personally find badly organized but it is at least functional without any bugs for me, I&#x27;ve quite liked Ventura. MacOS very much gets out of the way when I&#x27;m working in it, which is 100% what I want from an OS.<p>Whereas if I have to use a Windows machine I end up fighting the OS because I have to grok WSL running a separete OS, multiple duplicated system controls from various decades of Windows, and ads everywhere.<p>MacOS still isn&#x27;t perfect, and maybe it has slightly less polish than it did some years ago, but it&#x27;s atleast kept pace with competition feature-wise without becoming as aggravating to use as others.
chime超过 2 年前
Glad to know I wasn&#x27;t the only one with these Finder issues. Thankfully force quitting and restarting Finder brought things back for me. I did have to go through menu options (for first time ever) to show the sidebar and tab bar.
satysin超过 2 年前
I don&#x27;t know if it is a bug or a design change but something I cannot stand with Ventura is that &quot;sticky windows&quot; are less sticky.<p>In all versions prior to 13 when you move a window to the edge of the screen or against another app window it would &quot;stick&quot; just a bit. You could push past it if you wish but it is a nice way to align windows neatly without overlapping or going off screen.<p>In 13 you can get it to do that but it seems far less &quot;sticky&quot; than it used to be. I noticed it immediately and hated it.<p>Does anyone here know if this is a bug (it is still present in 13.1) or a design choice going forward?
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GianFabien超过 2 年前
I have been waiting for the release of the new Mac mini. Then I read an article like this and I think that for far less expense, I might as well just upgrade my Intel based desktop running Debian.<p>The premise that paying the Apple premium gives you a <i>better system</i> doesn&#x27;t seem to hold anymore. Back in the Steve&#x27;s day, he would have called &quot;shit&quot; on such work and berated the staff for daring to think of releasing. Perhaps, these days the accountants and marketing staff are calling the shots.
yieldcrv超过 2 年前
I wish finder would show the file path of files it found
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flenserboy超过 2 年前
Both Ventura and iOS 16 are sloppy. While details matter to users, the logical conclusion is that taking care of them doesn&#x27;t add to shareholder value.
cpursley超过 2 年前
Am I the only one with laggy blutooth mouse issues on M1s?
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chris_armstrong超过 2 年前
It seems like since MacOS X become <i>free</i> that it has succumb more and more to the pressure of a regular release cycle, instead of less, which is the opposite of what you’d expect for an unpaid product.<p>Why does Apple feel the need to release more and more features at the OS level each year when their customers are only paying for the hardware, not the software?
mauricesvay超过 2 年前
One Ventura bug that has been annoying me: in Image Capture, all my GoPro footage has a timestamp of 0 (Jan 1st 1970).
xbar超过 2 年前
I own 4 M1 Macs. None has Ventura installed because my research confirms the findings in this report.<p>It is a strange thing: the hardware has improved (keyboard, processor) as the software has decayed.<p>Asahi Linux is my exit strategy at this point.
dang超过 2 年前
Recent and related:<p><i>Ventura Issues</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34155875" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34155875</a> - Dec 2022 (128 comments)
nop_slide超过 2 年前
The battery on my M1 Pro has been total ass ever since upgrading to Ventura. Really don’t understand how such a drastic change could happen like that.
rado超过 2 年前
Wi-Fi signal goes from 3 to 2 stripes, or vice versa, when clicking on it. (Still, it&#x27;s the overall best OS out there)
drbawb超过 2 年前
I feel like it&#x27;s not just Mac OS. I bought an iPad Mini 6, my first Apple device since an iPhone 4S. I am frankly astounded at how buggy the OS is, how annoying gestural based UX is, etc. These are just from memory:<p>1. Holding the &quot;keyboard close&quot; button to select an option from the context menu occasionally triggers the &quot;Quick Note&quot; gesture.<p>1a. Sometimes that options menu closes without even triggering the quick note gesture<p>1b. Similarly that button is overloaded to move the split&#x2F;undocked keyboard, but it doesn&#x27;t always recognize whether you are trying to move the keyboard or open the menu.<p>2. If you press in the middle of the Safari address bar it will usually be misrecognized as hitting the dropdown for the window management options.<p>3. If you pull out and subsequently dock the pencil often I find the pencil context menu refuses to go away. You have to engage in the following ritual: (1) open the mini keyboard from the tray, (2) hide the keyboard, (3) minimize the tray, (4) tap some text input before it will finally realize you&#x27;re not using the Apple pencil anymore. (Which it knows you can&#x27;t possibly be holding, because it&#x27;s _charging it._)<p>4. If video scrubbing controls are at the bottom of the screen (as they typically are) then trying to use them will almost always result in entering the dock&#x2F;app-switching routine.<p>4a. Similarly I&#x27;ve found in Safari that it is obstinate that any swipe near the edges of the screen is a &quot;back&#x2F;forward&quot; gesture, and <i>definitely</i> not you trying to hit the damn slider right under your fingertip. (This largely seems to be a Safari issue, sliders elsewhere in the OS seem fine; but this is a big problem considering <i>every browser</i> is just clothes-over-Safari.)<p>5. Some apps behave very strangely with the different keyboard modes. Discord seems to be a prime offender. For example: the relatively large undocked&#x2F;split keyboard behaves as an overlay, obscuring what is beneath it. However the very small floating keyboard, _literally designed to be an unobtrusive overlay_, will have Discord create whitespace for it. (Try putting the floating keyboard in the top corner and you&#x27;ll end up with ~one line of message history.)<p>6. When Discord is in &quot;slide over&quot; mode, and the keyboard is docked, hitting their emoji picker will bring it up docked to the bottom left corner. However instead of being the full width of the screen&#x2F;keyboard it will instead be the width of the slide-over window. (!?!)<p>7. Similarly I&#x27;ve had it where Spotify after being converted from a &quot;slide-over&quot; window to a full-screen app will have the player controls misaligned and the play&#x2F;skip buttons will be completely obscured. (Couldn&#x27;t seem to fix this without a restart of the app.)<p>8. I&#x27;m sure this is by design, but the iOS 16 duplicate image detection doesn&#x27;t work if [one of] the duplicates are tagged with the Hidden flag. I would very much like to save space even if it means an extra button press hidden in a menu to &quot;reveal hidden duplicates&quot; or something like that. (Since the processing is allegedly on-device I don&#x27;t really mind it going through my &quot;hidden&quot; photos, considering they&#x27;re just rows in a SQLite DB w&#x2F; a boolean field set to true.)<p>9. Apple Pencil w&#x2F; Scribble turned on it&#x27;s a total crapshoot if you&#x27;re going to make a selection or type some random &quot;i&quot;, &quot;&#x27;&quot;, &quot;;&quot;, etc.<p>10. If other media is playing, or was playing recently, the keyboard &quot;clacky&quot; sounds often play louder than their usual volume. However it&#x27;s not <i>consistently</i> louder: it&#x27;s like it oscillates between whatever the keyboard volume is vs. whatever your media volume is.<p>I&#x27;m sure I remember my older iDevices with rose-colored glasses, but the lack of refinement in this current UX is mildly infuriating at times. I mean you&#x27;ve got to get the basics right, and I don&#x27;t know what&#x27;s more fundamental than keyboards and window management. That&#x27;s <i>literally</i> the primary input&#x2F;output of your OS. I feel like if Steve Jobs ran into even a fraction of this list he would&#x27;ve thrown the damn iPad like a frisbee. _I don&#x27;t have the luxury of doing that because it&#x27;s far too expensive._
highwaylights超过 2 年前
Couldn’t agree more with this, with the exception of being so casual about security updates.<p>I miss real OSX. I miss Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion.<p>Where are the no new features upgrades? I don’t need new lipstick on the pig every year. I need it to work without regressions.<p>Also I want to set fire to the settings screen in Ventura. It’s bad. It’s just <i>bad</i>. Someone did a <i>bad</i> job.<p>New OSX versions used to be a good thing. Now I just dread them for fear of what they’ll break just for an excuse to make the computer that I “own” a paperweight after a fixed time period.
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Teamteam16超过 2 年前
Ser.
darksaints超过 2 年前
They should just scrap finder completely. It is by far the worst file manager out of all of the OSes out there. Absolute garbage.
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