Detangle: AI-generated summaries of legal docs

Who is the target audience for something like this? I&#x27;m not sure anybody is going to pay to have Apple&#x27;s ToS simplified before clicking &quot;agree&quot;. On the other hand, if you are squinting at a contract that actually matters, I don&#x27;t think a service like this gives sufficient understanding of what all that legalese would actually mean if shit hits the fan. For example, changing the applicable law in a contract can yield wildly different interpretations without changing a word in the contract iself. This is why you should seek professional help when in doubt.<p>You say &quot;The summaries are to help inform conversations with actual lawyers&quot;, but would a lawyer give a rats ass about a layman&#x27;s interpretation of an AI-backed translation of a legal doc from a company who &quot;does not guarantee that the stuff on the website is good or works&quot;? IANAL but I don&#x27;t think so.

Given how confident AI can be when it&#x27;s incorrect, it feels like a bit of a problem to use AI with legal docs, since you can&#x27;t really trust it to be correct (and the cost of being incorrect may be absurdly high).

Can this idea be turned on its head to engineer adversarial legal language that sounds reasonable but actually has terrible implications for the signee?

I&#x27;m sorry, but in the nicest possible way, this is bullshit.<p>Anybody who has been in business-roles that involve reviewing legal documents will tell you that.<p>TL;DR three things:<p><pre><code> 1. The AI will NOT tell you if it is the right document for the context, only a lawyer will do that 2. The AI is unlikely to correctly analyse the document, clauses in a legal document have inter-relation with each other and with the general context (perhaps even with other legal documents you have previously signed). That sort of analysis is only something a lawyer can do. 3. Perhaps MOST IMPORTANTLY ... with legal documents, often the important thing is not what is IN the document, but what is NOT IN there. Only a lawyer can tell you what is missing in a legal document AND help you get that missing stuff negotiated into it. </code></pre> Really, I&#x27;d run away from something like this as fast as you can.

How is this &quot;not legal advice&quot;? You&#x27;re _selling_ summaries of legal documents.

I started wading through the Google example. I got about 0.25 of the way through.<p>The glosses all seem accurate, if incomplete sometimes. I got a strong sense that they had been reviewed&#x2F;polished by a human &quot;expert&quot;. That might explain the pricing.<p>I <i>didn&#x27;t</i> find the glosses much clearer than the original, just shorter. The Google legalese I read was fairly clear. With the document being a legal contract, it&#x27;s obviously vital to understand the legalese.<p>I&#x27;d be impressed by an AI that can read an employment contract, and say &quot;Whoah! Clause 31-B(ii) is implicitly asking you to sign your descendants into servitude in perpetuity! Perhaps you should take a look!&quot;, or &quot;Did you notice that all benefits are contingent on stuff beyond your control?&quot;. I&#x27;d probably have paid $25 for that, because I&#x27;ve never had a lawyer scan my employment contract. I read them myself, but IANAL.

You would actually want to discuss the document with a lawyer (AI), for instance asking if not paying the 100k in point 3.4.7a is enough for termination of the contract, show the reasons (copied from the doc and explained) and if yes, are there any clauses that invalidate that clause or any logical inconsistencies regarding that clause etc.<p>As someone (no legal background) who has to read legal documents sometimes (perks of being a founder <i>cough</i>) and would take advice (yet) from an AI over a lawyer; the above would give me enough of an idea how exposed we are or not and if a lawyer should be contacted. I can read legalise quite well (perks of having been a founder for 35 years), but if its 100s of pages, I need to be able to ask questions about the doc to get an idea of where I stand. Which is why I would hire a lawyer to do a review after I send them my questions anyway.

I uploaded a copy of the U.S. Constitution...<p>It told me that it would cost $123 USD to summarize...<p>It also told me:<p>&gt;&quot;This document summary is not legal advice or legally binding in any way. You should consult a lawyer.&quot;<p>Opinion:<p><i>A Lawyer would cost me less...</i> &lt;g&gt;<p>(Perhaps I could get a cheaper rate if I uploaded the Magna Carta or The Twelve Tables (of Ancient Rome) or the Ten Commandments or Newton&#x27;s Three Laws -- or the Two Laws of Richard J Maybury:<p>o Do all you have agreed to do<p>o Do not encroach on other persons or their property<p>)<p>All I know is, $123 is too expensive for me -- and,<p><i>What if the AI takes the Law -- and interprets it all wrong?</i><p>?<p>???

The fact I have to upload to a server and my document will not be deleted for up to 24 hours, makes it a no go for most corporate users. Make this a standalone desktop app, with zero cloud dependency and it would be useful. This is very useful for a first pass through a legal doc, for example, to triage documents.

I work through a bunch of contract documents reissued with a just a few changes. I need a service that would identify what the changes are instead of me going through each document and reading it over again Or doing a comparison of previously issued documents with this one.

Detangle gives you AI-generated summaries of your legal docs so you can understand what you&#x27;re signing.<p>Here&#x27;s the YC SAFE, for example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;detangle.ai&#x2F;examples&#x2F;yc-safe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;detangle.ai&#x2F;examples&#x2F;yc-safe</a>

With these prices they could have a lot of people in some cheap country summarizing the documents.

It says all documents and summaries are deleted after 24 hours, but are the contents of the documents incorporated into a model? I&#x27;d imagine for some kinds of legal documents (say those under a court&#x27;s protective order) this would present issues.

Uh, I wanted to try it with GPL v3, but no way I&#x27;m paying $111 for it.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spellbook.legal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spellbook.legal</a> is another one I have seen that is doing the opposite (helping with the writing of contracts)

anyone else worried about how tools like this will make us dumber?

What are they doing with all the uploaded document data? I didn&#x27;t see that in their terms of use.

Love it! This is one of the best uses of ML&#x2F;AI IMHO. I really dislike reading leasing agreements.

Does anyone know of a &quot;Tangle&quot; - it would be neat to do the inverse!

How is this tested to make sure the summaries aren&#x27;t wrong?

I tested with a 4 page basic agreement. Price quoted was $50+.

The summaries are good but I wish it also had the ability to answer my questions about document like whether something is allowed or not or what are my rights, etc,.