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System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

231 点作者 bananicorn超过 2 年前

38 条评论

lhl超过 2 年前
This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it&#x27;s a bit hard for me to get too excited about it...<p>* One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip&#x27;s USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won&#x27;t have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned)<p>* 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh is nice, but again, weird that it&#x27;s not 16:10 in 2023 and IMO, QHD would be better for a 15-16&quot; display.<p>* soldered memory (32GB at least)<p>* Numpad keyboard. This will be a positive for some, but I&#x27;m in the centered keyboard camp<p>* Only a 70Wh battery and still not so light (1.8kg)<p>While it&#x27;s running an older chip, if you&#x27;re not going to have USB4&#x2F;TB4, and the points I listed are important, I think the Tuxedo Pulse 15 Gen2 is still a better 15&quot; option atm (5700U chip, but lighter, bigger battery, better (still 16:9) display, Ethernet, SODIMM slots). There are some Ubuntu certified ThinkPads that are an option too (they have Ryzen 6000U chips but also no USB4), although almost all the models are w&#x2F; soldered RAM on ThinkPads now, which is a bummer.<p>If you want USB4 on AMD, the best (Linux friendly) options right now are probably the Asus G14 GA402 or a ThinkPad Z16. The HP EliteBook G9s are an option as well, although you need Linux 6.0+ to fix a broken HP BIOS update (HP support is also aggressively indifferent to Linux users) and I&#x27;ve seen lots of complaints about the fan curve and the SureView displays so I&#x27;m hesitant to recommend it...
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CoastalCoder超过 2 年前
Would it make sense to change the title?<p>I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some reason.
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driverdan超过 2 年前
Still only 1920x1080. Come on, give us decent resolution screens already!
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acomjean超过 2 年前
I have one (the previous one with AMD Ryzen 5700u). I&#x27;ve been using it for work the last 6 months coming from an 2015 macbook. Its been great for developing. The battery lasts pretty well (forgetting my power supply when working from home I got almost 7 hours), its fast (I&#x27;ve done some genetics blast runs which take hours, where those extra cores really help). Its pretty quiet too (you can hear the fan when it spins up, but its very reasonable). Returning to a Mat screen has been nice.<p>I really like AMD on the notebook. Compared to my 4 year old Oryx pro (intel 8th gen), which had poor battery life (esp when using the Nvidia graphics) and required a reboot initially if I wanted to switch to intel graphics. This one is much nicer, but it won&#x27;t game nearly as well as one with dedicated graphics.
karmakaze超过 2 年前
The first thing I see is a 16x9 screen, think &quot;pass&quot;, and close the page. There have to be other LCD panel makers out there. Either their customers don&#x27;t care and&#x2F;or the company doesn&#x27;t care to make a better laptop.
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droptablemain超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve bought a couple of laptops from System76. They charge outrageous prices and and shipping costs for even the smallest part; other than that, getting parts for their rebadged Clevo machines can be a bit challenging because you often have to order from China, so it takes a while.
dfghjkjhg超过 2 年前
too little too late.<p>since 13months ago, HP sells a elite book G9 for 2k, which have the best combo configuration at, gasp, wallmart for 800... eigth hundred dollars.<p>same cpu, but PRO version. metal and plastic body. scissor waterproof keyboard. usb c charging (system76 is barrel), 2x sodimm ram slots (system76 is soldered, note thay amd zen3+ pro mighty allow ECC ram in a laptop for the first time! so i want slots), the battery have 18Wh less, but it is also 20pct ligther. and all hardware is fully supported with 5.8+ kernel.<p>I always try to buy from linux-first-vendors, but I still deal with a librem13 that have sevral keys fail on their keyboard and support is ghosting me. even had to super-glue the hinge latelly. so awful :(
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tssva超过 2 年前
Last time there was a System76 laptop announcement on HN I said I was going to be in the market for a new laptop in the coming year but wouldn&#x27;t consider a System76 laptop because of the giant logo on the lid. Some people said the logos on their System76 laptops were stickers which could be removed. I contacted System76 and was told that was no longer the case.<p>If anyone from System76 is here, I am currently looking for a new laptop and will not be buying a System76 laptop based entirely upon the giant logo on them. I don&#x27;t want to put a skin, a cover or stickers over my laptop. My preference would be no logo at all but that seems to be impossible. If you are compelled to use me for free advertising post purchase, at least make it somewhat discreet.
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Symmetry超过 2 年前
Now that the two big Thinkpad pointer stick patents have expired I wonder why more laptop makers aren&#x27;t incorporating them?
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_caveman超过 2 年前
In the last month I bought and returned a Darter Pro from them. Almost immediately I realized what some have mentioned already-- these machines are overpriced and lack build quality you&#x27;d get with mainstream laptops. The bezel was messed up, causing light bleed on the display. I&#x27;d be better off loading Ubuntu onto a Dell XPS for half the price.
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renewiltord超过 2 年前
Been a Linux user for 20+ years. Pretty sick that we have companies like this selling Linux laptops with Coreboot. Man, that was a wild dream back in the day.<p>I&#x27;m using a Macbook personally, but this stuff is so sick. To be honest, I never really imagined the future as using Windows + Linux + MacOS without thinking that much about the platform, but about the only thing that sticks out to me is that the command line on Windows is rubbish. Otherwise, it feels very naturally normal to me as I switch between platforms. The web has really changed things.<p>Only thing that surprises me are the screens. I thought the high res screens like in the Macbook were commonplace now.
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piinbinary超过 2 年前
This feels like somewhat unfortunate timing, with AMD&#x27;s 7000 series mobile CPUs just around the corner.
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buster3000超过 2 年前
&#x27;15.6″ 1920×1080&#x27;<p>Come on...
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benlivengood超过 2 年前
I bought a Lemur because of coreboot but I can&#x27;t tell if this laptop will have coreboot or a closed BIOS&#x2F;EFI. Admittedly I haven&#x27;t played around with customizing the coreboot firmware but that was my intention, mostly to avoid long boot times and potentially to try fitting the whole kernel in firmware.
manifoldgeo超过 2 年前
I recently bought a System76 Oryx Pro 9, and I could not for the life of me get Debian to boot from a USB. The same USB booted on my old Galago Pro, so I know it was good. The Oryx Pro runs on some FOSS UEFI or BIOS made by System76 themselves, and it doesn&#x27;t play nice with anything but Ubuntu and Pop!_OS.<p>I filed a support ticket asking for help, and they told me they only support Ubuntu and Pop. On one hand, I understand having service desk limits, but their garbage UEFI and lack of support left me no choice but to return the laptop. In fact, I thought this article was going to be about people returning laptops to System76!<p>I really hope they get their game together and make a pre-boot system that can handle non-Ububtu stuff easily. The previous System76 I had was able to handle a Debian install just fine.
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jklinger410超过 2 年前
They should have gone with AMD from the start and the screen is a non-starter. When researching laptops, screen is probably the biggest differentiator at this point.<p>I won&#x27;t be replacing my Galago Pro with another System76 product when that day finally comes.
Finnucane超过 2 年前
I am surprised to see that their chosen configuration does not please everyone&#x27;s contradictory expectations and desires.
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virtualritz超过 2 年前
I bought a Xiaomi RedMiBook Pro 15&quot; 2022 edition last summer. On Aliexpress no less. The machine was a steal at 1.2kEUR. I bought the maxed out config which is about 1.5k if you buy it e.g. via the Xiamomi shop instead [1].<p>There is excellent support for all hardware on Linux (and even a ICC profile) in [2]. I run System76&#x27;s pop!_OS on it. Everything works dandy. The machine is a beast.<p>It has a 3.2k (!) res screen. Only 400nits but I find that&#x27;s plenty for the lighting conditions I use it under. The case is milled from dark alluminum and is frequently mistaken for a macbook. The build quality is top.<p>It&#x27;s a Ryzen 6800H APU with built in Radeon and an NVIDIA GTX2050. It has 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD.<p>It&#x27;s the first non-mac I bought in a decade after getting disappointed with macOS in recent years.<p>The only thing that isn&#x27;t on par is the touchpad on Linux. On Windows it&#x27;s very close so this is definitely a config issue. I may just have to spend some time with settings.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xiaomihome.global&#x2F;xiaomi-laptops&#x2F;xiaomi-redmibook-15-pro-2022-laptop&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xiaomihome.global&#x2F;xiaomi-laptops&#x2F;xiaomi-redmiboo...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vrolife&#x2F;modern_laptop">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vrolife&#x2F;modern_laptop</a>
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IronWolve超过 2 年前
Needs a 2k screen, wont go back to 1080p...
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azangru超过 2 年前
Ooh, it&#x27;s actually starting to look rather nice, unless these are deceptively flattering angles. Which Clevo is this?
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mulmen超过 2 年前
My 2014 RMBP is finally ready to go to the great messenger bag in the sky. Apple no longer provides updates and the battery is swelling. I&#x27;m not excited about the new MacBook offerings. The hardware is neat but the OS really turns me off. Apple is on a crusade to make MacOS unusable and the lack of stability in the environment is too much for me.<p>I&#x27;m ready to make the leap into a Linux desktop environment just for the sake of stability but I want well supported hardware. Is System 76 a good option? The advice that makes sense to me is to &quot;use what the devs use&quot;. Does an AMD-only System 76 check that box?
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snvzz超过 2 年前
Ryzen 6800U: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amd.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;product&#x2F;11591" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amd.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;product&#x2F;11591</a><p>It&#x27;s a Zen3+ with embedded RDNA2 graphics.<p>Not the state of the art as of CES announcements, but I&#x27;d happily get a laptop with one of these if I needed a laptop right now.<p>It&#x27;s good System76 is offering such an option, because it makes them a candidate.<p>I would not currently consider a laptop that&#x27;s based on Intel or NVIDIA hardware, due to vastly inferior performance&#x2F;watt and lack of open documentation, respectively.
lushdogg超过 2 年前
I own a LemurPro 9. Love it but the arrow keys are a crime against humanity. It appears they have fixed this (maybe even sooner) with the Pangolin.<p>System76 if you here can you switch chassis :) ?
snarg超过 2 年前
I have trouble understanding why every Linux-friendly laptop vendor insists on this godawful arrow key layout. It was a bad idea when Apple did it, and it was a bad idea when you copied them. Apple has even backtracked on this terrible design, but the copycats never got the memo.<p>I&#x27;m never, ever buying a laptop with full-height horizontal keys but half-height vertical keys.
FpUser超过 2 年前
Nice lappy. I would also like to see max amount of RAM supported. I normally buy laptops with the least amount of RAM and then add max amount that I could buy way cheaper elsewhere. Same with SSDs.
sdwolfz超过 2 年前
OK, let&#x27;s look and analyse what they have in detail:<p><pre><code> Operating System: Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS or Ubuntu 22.04 LTS </code></pre> Do they offer any custom software that are only available on these distributions and would be a struggle to find on other? Sone other Clevo resellers have for example custom software to control the fan intensity that&#x27;s Ubuntu only (and Ubuntu 20.04 only). It&#x27;s not clear why they restrict it to only these distributions. Also, why did they even bother to develop their own distribution? Every Linux in existence is a combination of 1 DE (Gnome, KDE, XFCE or other), 1 package manager (apt, pacmanm etc...) and some kernel params. Is it really worth spending their time on a custom Linux instead of on hardware&#x2F;firmware? Speaking of firmware, does it have Coreboot or stock Clevo BIOS? Does it have a fingerprint reader and does it work, can you control the fan speed from anywhere? Nowhere to find answers to these questions...<p><pre><code> Processor: AMD Ryzen™ 7 6800U: 2.7 up to 4.7 GHz - 8 Cores - 16 Threads Graphics: AMD Radeon™ 680M </code></pre> This is great! my opinion is this is the best laptop processor reasonably available on the market right now. But if you&#x27;re not desperate to switch your laptop and can wait until the middle or end of this year, buying the next generation Zen4 processor is astronomically better.<p><pre><code> Display 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish, 144 Hz </code></pre> Not bad, not good either, 1440p would have been ideal. They do not specify the sRGB % coverage. Is it 90, 95, 99? The difference between 90 and 95 is definitely noticeable and you would do yourself a big disservice if you don&#x27;t go for 95% at least.<p><pre><code> Memory: 32 GB LPDDR5 @ 6400 MHz </code></pre> Yes, amazing, the future is now! But is it 4x8 or 2x16? And is it ECC? What brand?<p><pre><code> Storage: 2 x M.2 SSD(PCIe NVMe). Up to 16TB total. </code></pre> No problems here, I assume PCIe 4.0, but would be great if they specified. Don&#x27;t want to accidentally discover it was PCIe 3.0 after the purchase has been made. Also, what brand of SSD do they provide? Brands are important so you can look at benchmarks.<p><pre><code> Expansion: 3 × USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A, 1 × USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, SD Card Reader </code></pre> 3 USBA, 1 USBC? Why not 2 and 2? In the future we will need less USBA and more USBC. Look at macbooks, they have all USBC and everybody eventually copies macbooks anyway (regardless if it&#x27;s a good or bad decision). The more USBC you have now the better for the future.<p><pre><code> Input: Multitouch Clickpad, Single-Color Backlit US QWERTY Keyboard </code></pre> Is 100% of the surface area clickable on the clickpad, or is it one of those awkward ones where you have &quot;mouse buttons&quot; at the top&#x2F;bottom, and you can not press onto the top, only tap? Need more information!<p>Keyboard wise it&#x27;s great! a 15 inch laptop without a numpad is a waste of potential, as a numpad is immensely helpful when doing any sort of finance work. I definitely would not buy a laptop this big without one. Still some more information non the keyboard layouts available would be nice.<p><pre><code> Networking: Gigabit Ethernet, WiFi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2 </code></pre> All perfect here!<p><pre><code> Video Ports: HDMI 2.0, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C w&#x2F; DisplayPort </code></pre> I&#x27;m assuming this is the same single USBC that they mentioned above. Is it DisplayPort 1.4, or 2.0?<p><pre><code> Audio: Stereo dual-driver full-range speakers, 1× Headphone&#x2F;Microphone Combo </code></pre> This is their biggest flaw. If you look at the chassis, you will see, the speakers point DOWNWARD. Speakers are supposed to point towards the listener, not away from them. Also, from previously owning multiple Clevo laptops that I&#x27;ve bought for work purposes, sound quality is so bad, you can simply assume you have no speakers as you&#x27;ll be using headphones or a conference speaker. If you buy this thinking you&#x27;ll be able to enjoy any kind of video&#x2F;movie out of working hours without purchasing and carrying extra peripherals you will be extremely frustrated and disappointed. Low maximum volume, poor quality sound, no base, and pointing away from you; every flaw imaginable. More that 4 people in a conference room and wanting to dial in from one laptop to share? Forget about it, you will be embarrassed to even try as the combination of laptop&#x27;s built-in speakers and microphone quality will make the whole experience terrible. This is an area where macbooks excel, great speakers and great microphone, and that&#x27;s why people love them so much, you can actually enjoy the audio interaction. There is no reason for non macbook laptops to be this bad at audio. All they have to do is copy macbooks, like they eventually do anyway... just put in better speakers and microphone, it&#x27;s that easy. Cost wise it&#x27;s not an issue either since a machine like this is going to cost in the same ballpark as a macbook anyway, why be cheap on something so insignificant for the overall price but so important for the user experience?<p><pre><code> Camera: 1.0MP 720p HD Webcam Security: Kensington® Lock, Hardware Camera Kill Switch </code></pre> A camera cover is better than a camera kill switch in my opinion, good to have at least I guess.<p><pre><code> Battery: Li-Ion - 70 Wh Charger: 65 W, AC-in 100–240 V, 50–60 Hz </code></pre> Why not 99Wh? (the maximum allowed at airports) This is not a macbook, it&#x27;s a beefy, thick laptop no matter how you look at it, why not outfit it properly?<p>Overall: at least it&#x27;s guaranteed to run Linux... but from the points I raised above I guess you can see there is no point for me to get excited about this model in particular. Price wise it&#x27;s going to be over the &quot;expensive&quot; threshold anyway, so might as well find something that ticks most checkboxes. Unless, of course I&#x27;m desperate for a new machine, in which case I could settle for this for a while.<p>I&#x27;m more hopeful for this vendor instead for higher quality devices: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;starlabs.systems&#x2F;pages&#x2F;starfighter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;starlabs.systems&#x2F;pages&#x2F;starfighter</a>
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whalesalad超过 2 年前
The chassis looks great and is made of magnesium - if it weren&#x27;t for the tenkey I would be seriously considering this. A smaller thinkpad-esque machine would probably be really popular.
x3n0ph3n3超过 2 年前
I waited so long to get a new laptop, and System76 was my top choice, except for their awful screens.<p>Finally bit the bullet on got a Macbook Pro 14&quot; instead...
vetrom超过 2 年前
Are new S76 laptops still Clevo or some other ODM?
RosanaAnaDana超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m on the Serval 76 with a 2070.<p>I don&#x27;t really care if they are going team red again. I&#x27;ll be trying a different manufacturer next time.
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vouaobrasil超过 2 年前
I would love for something like this to exist in Canada. Unfortunately import fees make these much less attractive here.
gjmacd超过 2 年前
Meh. I won&#x27;t switch to a Linux laptop until I can get a reasonable resolution on the screen that matches my MBP&#x27;s output for a reasonable price.<p>I can&#x27;t understand why I can&#x27;t get a reasonably good priced laptop with just Linux that doesn&#x27;t match the video resolution of a MBP.
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indigodaddy超过 2 年前
Hah I misinterpreted this headline as “people returning” these laptops
woile超过 2 年前
Is this a thin and lightweight laptop? I&#x27;ve been looking for a thin powerful AMD laptop with good Linux support
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Mikeb85超过 2 年前
Not gonna lie, very underwhelming compared to what&#x27;s coming out from other manufacturers...<p>Even a budget brand like Acer is releasing Ryzen 7000 chipsets and pairing it with higher resolution OLED screens, probably will be cheaper as well...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acer.com&#x2F;ca-en&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;swift&#x2F;swift-go-14-amd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acer.com&#x2F;ca-en&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;swift&#x2F;swift-go-14-amd</a>
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ruined超过 2 年前
still only 1080p
jesuscript超过 2 年前
What makes their stuff so great? I was customizing a gaming rig on their site the other day and it was wildly overpriced. I imagine you can match their specs for this laptop at cheaper prices.
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quasarj超过 2 年前
God damn that is one ugly motherfucker. Why in the world is anyone still squeezing useless numpads onto laptops???
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