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Godalmighty, Exxon Knew Everything

52 点作者 kitkat_new超过 2 年前

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metadat超过 2 年前
Discussed previously today:<p><i>Revealed: Exxon made ‘breathtakingly’ accurate climate predictions in 70s &amp; 80s</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34358759" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34358759</a> (111 comments)
fwungy超过 2 年前
Great.<p>Dissolve Exxon..<p>What about the state oil companies of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and others that produce the other 95% of the oil?<p>Climate Change is not a problem that can be unilaterally solved by the West. Saudi Arabia isnt going to agree to be a poor desert backwater again to protect beachfront property in Malibu.<p>Climate Change is a massively intractable problem. The fact that the West&#x27;s favored solutions are Hail Mary bets on radically increased performance of batteries and renewable energy sources that are unlikely to be achieved at best, is highly disconcerting.<p>We&#x27;ve had a good 25 years to ramp up next gen nuclear, which can work at volume and much more safely, but it&#x27;s been frittered away on the hope that renewables can function as baseload.
willbudd超过 2 年前
Perhaps this is just my ignorance showing, but wasn&#x27;t the data that Exxon based its own modelling on more or less publicly available? It can&#x27;t have been a secret how many barrels were being pulled out of the ground each year? What am I missing?<p>Far from wanting to defend Exxon, but regardless whether or not they knew; if the narrative is that the &quot;world outside Exxon&quot; didn&#x27;t know, doesn&#x27;t that in itself amount to wilful ignorance or negligence at best?<p>What data did they have that the rest of the academic&#x2F;political world couldn&#x27;t add up on its own without corporate cooperation?
Izkata超过 2 年前
Makes a lot of claims but doesn&#x27;t link to any of what he&#x27;s referencing.
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teawrecks超过 2 年前
Can&#x27;t believe they don&#x27;t have any sources. Here&#x27;s the recent paper the article is referring to: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.abk0063" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.abk0063</a>
uejfiweun超过 2 年前
So, now we know, Exxon has the best crack team of climate scientists. My question is, what are they predicting for the 2020s-2100s period (my lifetime)? If they&#x27;re really so accurate then we could assume their future predictions are reasonably accurate as well.
willis936超过 2 年前
Obligatory relevant Climate Town telling of history (with citations).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MondapIjAAM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MondapIjAAM</a>
GalenErso超过 2 年前
In China, the authorities would immediately send the police to arrest the entire corporate suite. They have even executed corrupt CEOs, for example in the tainted milk scandal.<p>In the United States, nothing will happen. No law was broken, you would say. Still. There should be consequences. There should have been consequences. In China, prosecutors would chalk it up to general charges of &quot;corruption&quot; or &quot;public dishonesty&quot; or whatever.
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