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Remembrance of Work Time Standards Lost (2001)

20 点作者 robtherobber超过 2 年前

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Mathnerd314超过 2 年前
This is a polemic, the chapter he refers to is actually a cogent argument: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;document?repid=rep1&amp;type=pdf&amp;doi=a56b9a7189f07816307ed5bdcb581d1ae1bae032" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;document?repid=rep1&amp;type=pdf&amp;d...</a><p>Basically he traces the origin of the &quot;fallacy&quot; back to &quot;a hodgepodge of borrowed working-class slang, middle-class prejudice, and archaic economic doctrine&quot; from David Schloss in 1891, and shows it had nothing to do with the 8-hour day effort at the time. The &quot;lump-of-labor fallacy&quot; is essentially a strawman trotted out by opponents of lower hours as a rhetorical device, similar to how the waterfall model never existed before Agile came along as &quot;the alternative&quot;. (See e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pragtob.wordpress.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;02&#x2F;why-waterfall-was-a-big-misunderstanding-from-the-beginning-reading-the-original-paper&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pragtob.wordpress.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;02&#x2F;why-waterfall-was-a...</a>)<p>Then he uses Chapman&#x27;s theory of hours and some estimates from Denison to show that most likely the 35 hour work week would result in lower unit labor costs, increased demand, and a net gain in productivity overall from the redistribution of working time.<p>Then he gets into a discussion of fixed costs, and basically says &quot;the government can subsidize the transition by restructuring taxes&quot;.<p>I&#x27;m not saying his arguments are sound, although they don&#x27;t seem obviously wrong, but the chapter is certainly a lot better than the original link, which just summarizes the strawman conclusion but not the evidence.
robocat超过 2 年前
I suspect the problem is that the fallacy has assumptions, and like most economic theories you need to know what those assumptions are.<p>The assumptions get shown when thinking about why many countries are raising retirement ages, or what happens to work when pandemics occur, or just how fungible people are between different jobs, or why we allow immigration.<p>The article says that the author thinks the “lump of labour fallacy” is wrong, but doesn’t provide any hint as to why they think there actually is a lump of labour (except to read their other work).<p>A very sloppy editorial in The Economist on the topic: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;attgx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;attgx</a><p>[minor edits]
kkfx超过 2 年前
I think this classic explain better, and in general: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ibb.co&#x2F;gdTBXT0&#x2F;Corp-Whining-Hist.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ibb.co&#x2F;gdTBXT0&#x2F;Corp-Whining-Hist.jpg</a>
blep_超过 2 年前
This is the most frustrating kind of article: &quot;I think this thing is bad and will spend several paragraphs explaining why, but will explicitly refuse to tell you what it is.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lump_of_labour_fallacy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lump_of_labour_fallacy</a><p>&gt; In economics, the lump of labour fallacy is the misconception that there is a fixed amount of work—a lump of labour—to be done within an economy which can be distributed to create more or fewer jobs.
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jrm4超过 2 年前
People are having an issue with him &quot;not naming the issue&quot; in the article, but for what it&#x27;s worth, I understand why?<p>There is <i>so so much</i> in mainstream economics that &quot;feels rooted in fact,&quot; aka, lies or more accurately, overly-relied-on-unprovable-theories, the work of trying to debunk them can make one forget which one you&#x27;re talking about today.
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dahdum超过 2 年前
I enjoy how the author skips facts and reasoned arguments and just tells me how I should feel, which is mostly angry. Also I appreciate him assuring me I don’t need to critically think about or do any research on the topic at all. It’s just so obvious that the mainstream economists are wrong.<p>His style would do well in journalism today.