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Goiânia Accident

298 点作者 joering2超过 2 年前

38 条评论

koch超过 2 年前
I found this one[0] the other day where a radiation source ended up in the concrete wall of an apartment building. A whole family got leukemia, took 9 years to eventually have it removed.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kramatorsk_radiological_accident" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kramatorsk_radiological_accide...</a>
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corpMaverick超过 2 年前
Similar accident in Chihuahua Mexico <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez_cobalt-60_contamination_incident" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez_cobalt-60_c...</a><p>It talks about 4000 people. My father built our house in Chihuahua around 1985-86. Our family lived in that house for 30 years. We don&#x27;t if we were affected, but it hit me when my sister died of brain cancer two years ago.
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verytrivial超过 2 年前
Warning: People not prepared to read about harm coming to children should probably scroll past this one.<p>I&#x27;m still haunted from the first time I read about this.
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kazinator超过 2 年前
From the Wikpiedia description, it looks like the IGR owners and doctors were treated badly by the system in their country. They made steps to warn about the radioactive material left behind, but were prevented by a court order and guards from retrieving it. Then in the aftermath, they became defendants in civil litigation and criminal prosecution.
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ummonk超过 2 年前
The lead-up to the accident reminds me of the Beirut explosion where customs officials kept asking judges for permission to resell &#x2F; dispose off the dangerously stored fertilizer for several years but judges refused to act. Bureaucracy is so absurd sometimes. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2020_Beirut_explosion#MV_Rhosus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2020_Beirut_explosion#MV_Rhosu...</a>
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dylan604超过 2 年前
In light of the little bitty thing lost&#x2F;found in Australia, this is a good example of why they spent such an effort to find it. Forget making dirty bombs, just have a &quot;committed to the cause&quot; person just carry something like this around as they tour the city. At least a dirty bomb would be obvious something happened, and people could know how&#x2F;why they were getting sick in the aftermath.<p>This kind of thing would be the worst example of Silent But Deadly. Once the committed to the cause person was too affected from doing the work themselves, just have the next member pick up and carry on the mission. Ammo that never needs reloading. You just have to reload the delivery mechanisms.
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yellow_lead超过 2 年前
&gt; That night, Devair Alves Ferreira, the owner of the scrapyard, noticed the blue glow from the punctured capsule. Thinking the capsule&#x27;s contents were valuable or even supernatural, he immediately brought it into his house. Over the next three days, he invited friends and family to view the strange glowing substance.<p>The blue glow of death.
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weinzierl超过 2 年前
The Goiânia accident was certainly extraordinary but I was surprised to learn from a recent Guardian article how common the loss of radioactive sources actually is.<p>There, Dr Edward Obbard an expert from UNSW Sidney university was interviewed on the occasion of the lost capsule in Australia. The article says:<p><i>&quot;The search for the missing capsule captured the world’s imagination, but Obbard says radioactive material goes awol about 100 times a year around the world.&quot;</i><p>Also the fact that there are at least eight nuclear bombs that have been lost and never found is always chilling. And these are only the ones from western countries we know about...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;2023&#x2F;feb&#x2F;03&#x2F;relatively-common-was-lost-and-found-radioactive-capsule-not-the-only-missing-material-around" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;2023&#x2F;feb&#x2F;03&#x2F;relative...</a>
liendolucas超过 2 年前
They have done a movie about it, and I remember it wasn&#x27;t bad at all: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0259956&#x2F;?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0259956&#x2F;?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0</a><p>Other terrible accidents (not related to the nature of Goiana):<p>* Hisashi Ouchi: Fatal dose beyond imagination. Accident during manually mixing a bucket of radioactive material (yes, you read that right) in a room. They did this in order to bypass the regular procedure to finish the job earlier as they were already delayed. Doctors (if I recall correctly) kept him alive for 2 months while the poor guy was begging to let him go.<p>* Anatoli Bugorski: Literally put his head in a particle accelerator. Happened because a light indication was off when it should have been on. He described seeing the light of a billion suns (or something like that). Survived but with serious consequences.
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MichaelBurge超过 2 年前
&gt; One of IGR&#x27;s owners and the clinic&#x27;s physicist were ordered to pay R$100,000 for the derelict condition of the building.<p>Why were the owners liable? They notified the court and were prevented by the court from removing the machine, so my first thought is they should be blameless: The court assumed control and therefore responsibility.
haunter超过 2 年前
Here is the IAEA report from 1988 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-pub.iaea.org&#x2F;MTCD&#x2F;Publications&#x2F;PDF&#x2F;Pub815_web.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-pub.iaea.org&#x2F;MTCD&#x2F;Publications&#x2F;PDF&#x2F;Pub815_web.pd...</a> (mind you with some injury photos too)
olliej超过 2 年前
One of the more stupid accidents. Here a judge decided that security of a radioactive source that belong to company A was secondary to a lease agreement with company B, and so contributed to multiple people dying.<p>The people who stole and opened the source obviously shouldn’t have, but given the period I think it’s more reasonable that they didn’t understand what was going on. The judge doesn’t have that excuse.
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dom96超过 2 年前
&gt; He soon developed a burn on his hand in the same size and shape as the aperture – he eventually underwent partial amputation of several fingers.<p>&gt; On September 15, Pereira visited a local clinic, where his symptoms were diagnosed as the result of something he had eaten; he was told to return home and rest.<p>Hopefully the partial amputation occurred after the visit, otherwise I would really love to know what the clinic thought he ate that could cause partial amputation!
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jasmer超过 2 年前
This is the issue with nuclear in general. In short, we are not responsible enough. If we were fully responsible as people, we could do it. Once rich countries did it, poor countries would demand it, and they are especially unprepared. A bit of economic and political risk and voila, regions devastated.<p>There should be a simple rule: if you can&#x27;t manage sewage and garbage, you can&#x27;t handle nuclear technologies.
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major505超过 2 年前
I remember this when I was a kid. Most amazing was that the federal goverment didn&#x27;t had a protocol to deal with things like that, even at the time we where building our second nuclear power plant.<p>But the military was aable to perform a fast response for the incident. And shows that even if nuclear energy is the future, we could never understimate it.
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warent超过 2 年前
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586</a>
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Trufa超过 2 年前
For those who can speak Spanish here’s a Uruguayan folk song about the incident<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;music.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3YIalaC0M_A&amp;feature=share">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;music.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3YIalaC0M_A&amp;feature=share</a><p>I mean you might like it anyway but the lyrics are central.
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sgt101超过 2 年前
If civilization collapses there will be lots of terrible stories like this over the next 500 years or so as enterprising folks raid old sites and find amazing &quot;treasure&quot;.
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Pxtl超过 2 年前
There&#x27;s a pretty good Well There&#x27;s Your Problem episode about it (dirtbag-left podcast-with-slides about industrial disasters).<p>Goes into detail day by day about the events, including celebrating some of the heroes of the story who probably saved countless lives.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;34rdxDgpaaA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;34rdxDgpaaA</a>
rpigab超过 2 年前
I know there are probably tons of horrible accidents related to radioactive material, but I wonder if this one inspired Matt Groening when he created The Simpsons between 1987 and 1989, with the famous opening sequence where Homer gets an uranium rod fall into the back of his protection suit and unknowningly brings it home.<p>I&#x27;m no Simpsons expert so I don&#x27;t know if the incident was part of a longer episode because you can&#x27;t see the consequences of such an accident in the short opening sequence, but I think it&#x27;s enough to get people to ask questions about this glowing green thing, if you don&#x27;t already know about radioactivity.<p>Maybe because the Simpsons became worldwide famous and one of the most popular shows ever, many people all around the world especially children are more aware of radioactive hazards, even when school systens fail to teach them about their danger.
kgeist超过 2 年前
Reminds of this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kramatorsk_radiological_accident" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kramatorsk_radiological_acci...</a><p>&gt;The capsule was originally part of a radiation level gauge and was lost in the Karansky quarry in the late 1970s. The search for the capsule was unsuccessful and ended after a week. The gravel from the quarry was used in construction.The caesium capsule ended up in the concrete panel of apartment 85 of building 7 on Mariyi Pryimachenko Street<p>&gt;By the time the capsule was discovered, four residents of the building had died from it and 17 more had received varying doses of radiation.
riffic超过 2 年前
this happens so ridiculously frequently. look at wikipedia<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_orphan_source_incidents" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_orphan_source_incident...</a>
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jll29超过 2 年前
The roughly 150 combined military and civilian incidents that the two respective Wikipedia lists contain demonstrate that<p>1. military and civilian use of technology both go wrong roughly similarly often (approx. 55% and 45%, respectively)<p>2. in just about 100 years of &quot;nuclear technology&quot;, there have been more than a mean of 1 1&#x2F;2 incidents per year.<p>I&#x27;d be surprised if the Wikipedia list is complete, there are probably substantial numbers of unreported&#x2F;suppressed incidents, although I expect them to be small (large incidents would have been detected by others measuring radiation).
bloomingeek超过 2 年前
We humans can screw up anything. Whether it&#x27;s not protecting others or just not being cautious enough. Why would you ever bring an item that glows and you have absolutely no idea what it is around your family?<p>Shame on the authorities for allowing this to happen in the first place. Their job is to protect society from things they don&#x27;t&#x2F;can&#x27;t understand. And let&#x27;s not forget money probably accounted for why the source wasn&#x27;t removed in the first place.
misterS超过 2 年前
Plainly Difficult has a nice video about this accident:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=nhL0xQzPSy8">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=nhL0xQzPSy8</a>
iamgopal超过 2 年前
Pardon my ignorance but How could any radioactive material whose half life is 30 year could survive billions of years on earth and still be radioactive?
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DoreenMichele超过 2 年前
<i>The Goiânia accident was a radioactive contamination accident that occurred on September 13, 1987, in Goiânia, Goiás, Brazil, after a forgotten radiotherapy source was stolen from an abandoned hospital site in the city.</i><p>I wish we would put more emphasis on supporting the body as a means to improve health instead of assaulting the body in the name of assaulting the illness.
sebosp超过 2 年前
Plainly difficult channel covered it at some point <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;nhL0xQzPSy8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;nhL0xQzPSy8</a> I remember liking the explanation&#x2F;event breakdown, curious why this short documentary link is not in the Wikipedia article
fsckboy超过 2 年前
&gt;<i>In the consequent cleanup operation...All the objects from within those houses, including personal possessions, were seized and incinerated.</i><p>whose idea was this? incinerating things contaminated with radioactive material seems like the a really unsafe thing to do!
amelius超过 2 年前
Anyone having a good reference to a cheap radiation measurement instrument that would catch this?
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aarchi超过 2 年前
&gt; Other contamination was also found in or on: three buses, 42 houses, fourteen cars, five pigs, and 50,000 rolls of toilet paper<p>Why such a large figure for toilet paper? Is it somehow more easily contaminated by radiation?
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sneak超过 2 年前
This, along with the Gimli Glider, are my favorite wikipedia pages.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gimli_Glider" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gimli_Glider</a>
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marcosvm超过 2 年前
What&#x27;s also bad about this incident is that it was hidden from the public during a weekend because they were having a Moto GP that weekend and didn&#x27;t want the publicity.
karlzt超过 2 年前
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586</a>
Koshkin超过 2 年前
Discussed previously:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29127586</a>
oskob超过 2 年前
An excellent video on the topic:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-k3NJXGSIIA">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-k3NJXGSIIA</a>
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msie超过 2 年前
I saw a video depiction of the incident that wasn&#x27;t listed in the wikipedia. Does anyone recall?
Maursault超过 2 年前
Obligatory.[1] Fox Harris (1936-1988) was a wonderful yet underappreciated actor.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3VKzqAefBVY&amp;t=0m38s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3VKzqAefBVY&amp;t=0m38s</a>