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The Rock 5B is not a Raspberry Pi killer–yet

69 点作者 chazeon超过 2 年前

17 条评论

VLM超过 2 年前
The market for Pi is dead. The article pretends that you can buy a pi for list price $5 or whatever LOL but I just checked Amazon and real humans are paying $170 to $205 for a pi.<p>The article claim that you can&#x27;t compare a $150 &quot;mini PC&quot; to a cheap Pi is unrealistic.<p>I got a lot of flack (elsewhere not here) for setting up a mini-cluster for K8S that used mini PCs that I claimed are cheaper than Pi. Note that I can actually buy a mini-PC for $150 whereas you can make up any imaginary MSRP you&#x27;d like for a Pi but you&#x27;re paying $170 today on Amazon regardless if the unobtainable price is $5 or $99.<p>There are plenty of low performance PC compatibles from Beelink and similar places that cost less delivered tomorrow than a Pi delivered tomorrow AND have higher performance specs than a legacy Pi.
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lxe超过 2 年前
A good take away about modern SBC landscape for hobbyists: you can get much better specced &quot;mini&quot; x86 PC at the cost of slightly more power consumption, but with benefits of much better OS and hardware compatibility at a similar price as an ARM SBC at this point.
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rcarmo超过 2 年前
I’ve been using ARM SBCs for ages now (mostly Pis, but also Hardkernel and a few “alternatives”), and _all_ of them except the Pi have absolutely dismal software support. Armbian does a pretty good job on some alternatives, but until manufacturers ship with _at least as good_ software as the Pi their value proposition is essentially negative unless you have a lot of free time.<p>And now that the power envelope is closer to a gen 4 Intel (which is trounced by modern Celerons like the n6xxx and n50xx series), the functionality gap is more obvious.<p>To be fair, though, I think that most people have unrealistic expectations of what low-end SBCs can do as far as “desktop computing” is concerned.<p>I do use a Pi as a very nice, utterly silent and fast thin client (backed by an i7 in a closet), but if I wanted to run local apps (browser, light office, etc.) I’d just go and get a NUC or an $150 refurbished small form factor desktop (there are great Ryzen boxes with modern mobile APUs from Minisforum and Beelink, but I am extremely wary of their quality control, and the really interesting ones are too expensive to risk it).
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bri3d超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m glad that the weird fad&#x2F;craze of ARM SBCs used with full-size-class peripherals for Linux server&#x2F;desktop workload tasks is finally winding down.<p>To me, the beauty of the Pi and other SBCs is GPIO&#x2F;SPI&#x2F;I2C - you have a Linux machine that&#x27;s only a short hop from the Real World.<p>For running a homelab k8s cluster or a mini-desktop, a NUC &#x2F; minipc has always been a better option.
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noncoml超过 2 年前
&gt; The Linux images are built with a set of Rockchip patches that are based on older Linux releases.<p>That’s a hard no from me.<p>Otherwise I’d be all over it, as the specs look great!
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rektide超过 2 年前
Orange Pi is a bit cheaper (starts under $100 for 4GB ram) but less slots. The hundred dollar barrier is where I start to balk at ARM sbc.<p>Fun seeing Jeff try out the expansion slots. The m.2 NIC is cute. I hope eventually CXL starts giving us some new smaller more modular add-ons. But it&#x27;s not that small so I imagine cards being cable-attached in many situations.<p>It&#x27;s wild how long the PC market has been able to go without facing intercompatibility issues. x86 everywhere is a slow thing to change course on.<p>I wish Intel&#x27;s Lakefield had a cost-optimized sbc for it. That chip was so awesome, so small, so low power. With 1 very very nice core, solid gpu, and all ram on package. It would have made a very interesting sbc part. Trying to ship them in enough volume to get somewhat modestly priced chips from Intel would have been an absolute nightmare though, a huge gamble. That seems to be something brands like Chuwii have gotten really good at- finding what chips they <i>can</i> buy for below retail, and selling really nice machines around that at screaming value to consumers.
jeffrallen超过 2 年前
Availability is the Raspberry Pi killer. I bought a Rock 4 because I needed it now, not when I win the Raspberry Pi lottery someday.
mouse_超过 2 年前
rant: I&#x27;ve learned, excluding microcontrollers such as the wonderful rp2040, every ARM &amp; RISC-V SBC I&#x27;ve been interested in purchasing relies on some extremely proprietary and paranoid bits. If the device has a massive, undying following, like the Raspberry Pi, people will find a way to bring it into the future and keep it useful. If not, well, in as little as a year or so the manufacturer will likely simply tell you to buy the new one.<p>Truly useful, truly open hardware, cannot exist under current market conditions, for one reason or another. For now, we&#x27;re all stuck with defaults; despite all of our progress, every computer you can imagine primarily using relies on someone&#x27;s monopoly, and I imagine there is a nonzero amount of wealthy, powerful people who do not want this arrangement to change.
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hirundo超过 2 年前
&gt; It&#x27;s still half as slow as modern ARM desktops like Apple&#x27;s M1 mini<p>Wouldn&#x27;t half as slow be twice as fast?
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daneel_w超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised he had problems powering it up. USB PD will start at 5V as a safe default, and remain there if it cannot negotiate a higher voltage. My Rock5B runs fine at 5 volts from &quot;regular&quot; USB-C. When I fully load all 8 CPU cores the board wants about 1.6A (~8 watts). Perhaps Geerling&#x27;s power adapter refused to provide anything without bilateral PD presence.
dragontamer超过 2 年前
The 5W space is perhaps the space I understand the least.<p>Things get weird at 5W. There&#x27;s phones and tablets, but these aren&#x27;t really general compute devices. But then comes these SBCs like Rasp. Pi, Rock 5B, Le Potato, Beaglebone Black, etc. etc. These use phone&#x2F;tablet CPUs but in a form factor conductive to USB ports and HDMI ports... like a SFF Desktop.<p>I&#x27;ve seen people say &quot;Its a great small desktop!!&quot;, and hook up the Rasp. Pi (or whatever) to a $200 27&quot; monitor drawing 80W and I&#x27;m just... confused by that. You&#x27;re not making a good power-consumption argument, or a cost-benefit argument either, most of your costs are on the damn monitor (both in power and in $$$).<p>I think there&#x27;s value in the $60 7&quot; screens though, which return the form factor closer to its Phone&#x2F;Tablet roots. With such a small screen, the price is dramatically lower, while the power-consumption plummets to 5W SBC + 5W Screen (10W total).<p>-----------<p>In theory, 10W total power consumption fits inside of 15.4W requirements on PoE. So there are real benefits to cutting the power consumption to an appropriate size.<p>I guess there&#x27;s also a myriad of &quot;headless&quot; applications where a 5W Rasp. Pi (or competing SBC) is useful. But in my experience, most of those headless applications should be a VM and&#x2F;or Docker image instead.<p>----------<p>With that being said: this Rock 5B seems to draw 15W worst case, which leaves the available area for PoE. That could be fixed with a local battery pack (1270 Lead Acid packs are only $35) + some kind of power-controller to even out the power-draw. I admit that&#x27;s a bit of custom electronics, but those kinds of custom-electronic problems are why we have ATMega &#x2F; Arduino Unos laying around, right? :-)
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aliqot超过 2 年前
Just has to be in stock then it wins by default.
squarefoot超过 2 年前
Why no mention about Armbian and DietPi? They both have a downloadable image for the Rock 5B.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;armbian&#x2F;community&#x2F;releases&#x2F;download&#x2F;202305&#x2F;Armbian_23.02.0-trunk_Rock-5b_sid_edge_6.2.0-rc2_xfce_desktop.img.xz">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;armbian&#x2F;community&#x2F;releases&#x2F;download&#x2F;20230...</a><p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;armbian&#x2F;community">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;armbian&#x2F;community</a>)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dietpi.com&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;images&#x2F;DietPi_ROCK5B-ARMv8-Bullseye.7z" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dietpi.com&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;images&#x2F;DietPi_ROCK5B-ARMv8-Bull...</a><p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dietpi.com&#x2F;#download" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dietpi.com&#x2F;#download</a>)
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PragmaticPulp超过 2 年前
Good summary. The RK3588 is great in that it raised the performance bar for the ARM space, but it&#x27;s still a new platform with growing pains.<p>If it can get good upstream kernel support and the price comes down, these could be good for all the situations where a Pi felt too slow.<p>If instead these continue to rely on custom kernel forks and have 3-digit pricetags, they&#x27;re probably best left as a niche option.
brian_herman超过 2 年前
I wish Raspberry Pi 4 were in stock at msrp prices...
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dwobry超过 2 年前
Genuinely curious about a comparison between Rock 5B and an Odroid H3&#x2F;H3+.
brianzelip超过 2 年前
What about the Orange Pi? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.orangepi.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.orangepi.org&#x2F;</a>
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