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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

772 点作者 anitakirkovska超过 2 年前

122 条评论

dang超过 2 年前
Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous:<p><i>The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future.</i><p>If it&#x27;s just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight this thread and wait for one that has meat on its bones.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment&amp;query=%22announcement%20of%20an%20announcement%22" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sor...</a>
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mustacheemperor超过 2 年前
The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google&#x27;s core business. Neat.<p>I think this tech is going to be transformative for everyone in a positive way. I&#x27;ve been doing a lot of bookkeeping and form-filling-out the past couple weeks and I keep thinking, wow, I wish I could just explain to ChatGPT what I need copied and pasted from one document to another or what needs to be filled out.
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jimrandomh超过 2 年前
This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible.<p>The primary effect of OpenAI&#x27;s work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of <i>that</i> is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development.<p>Obviously this isn&#x27;t a system that&#x27;s going to recursively self-improve and wipe out humanity. But if you extrapolate the current crazy-fast rate of advancement a bit into the future, it&#x27;s clearly heading towards a point where this gets extremely dangerous.<p>It&#x27;s good that they&#x27;re paying lip service to safety&#x2F;aligment, what actually matters, from a safety perspective, is the relative rates of progress in how well we can understand and control these language models, and how capable we make them. There <i>is</i> good research happening in language-model understanding&#x2F;control, but it&#x27;s happening slowly, compared to the rate of capability advances, and that&#x27;s a problem.
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epups超过 2 年前
This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?
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paulpan超过 2 年前
Most interesting tidbits: 1 - Sam Altman onstage all but confirmed the underlying LLM model as GPT-4 as he kept saying &quot;next gen&quot; without providing a name 2 - Microsoft is all-in by making this front-and-center of Bing, as well as deep integration into Edge browser<p>I&#x27;m most curious about how Microsoft is planning to pay for the infrastructure cost of serving the traffic.
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sys32768超过 2 年前
Coming soon:<p>I&#x27;m sorry, Dave. I can&#x27;t answer that while your ad-blocker is enabled.
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dougmwne超过 2 年前
I think we all here at HN will inevitably underestimate the impact of putting GPT into Bing. We may have been playing with GPT for years, but it has just been gift-wrapped and delivered to hundreds of millions in their default Windows browser. I’m expecting it to blow grandma’s mind.
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godshatter超过 2 年前
I guess I&#x27;m old-fashioned. I&#x27;d prefer a search engine interface with all the bells and whistles for doing complex queries instead of relying on the search engine to guess what it is I really want to see. I would trust a technical interface with lots of options and boolean logic not to give me whatever the company behind it wants me to see instead of what&#x27;s really out there.
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jimrandomh超过 2 年前
This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI&#x27;s work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development.<p>Obviously this isn&#x27;t a system that&#x27;s going to recursively self-improve and wipe out humanity. But if you extrapolate the current crazy-fast rate of advancement a bit into the future, it&#x27;s clearly heading towards a point where this gets extremely dangerous.<p>It&#x27;s good that they&#x27;re paying lip service to safety&#x2F;aligment, what actually matters, from a safety perspective, is the relative rates of progress in how well we can understand and control these language models, and how capable we make them. There is good research happening in language-model understanding&#x2F;control, but it&#x27;s happening slowly, compared to the rate of capability advances, and that&#x27;s a problem.
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dharma1超过 2 年前
Wonder what the compute cost for this ends up being. My guess is they will have to somehow rate limit it - I’m sure the rollout speed will also depend how much people end up using it. Maybe they will figure out some ad revenue - but I don’t think they can charge users for this.<p>Would love to know how much compute $ they’re willing to throw at this to attempt to topple Google. Probably whatever it takes (within reason), MS missed out on mobile and search - can’t afford that to happen again.<p>Over time the inference for these queries will get cheaper (FP8 and later 4bit precision, sparse&#x2F;pruned weights etc)
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braingenious超过 2 年前
I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff?<p>It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”
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wanderr超过 2 年前
I hope I&#x27;m wrong but I feel like this is going to be great for a couple of years max, and then as people learn how to do SEO for GPT it will lead to even more nonsensical garbage on the web and totally insane results. There&#x27;s too much financial incentive to abuse anything that can drive traffic.
donio超过 2 年前
For those of us who prefer traditional keyword based searches are there any search engines left that actually respect your query instead of trying to guess what you mean? I don&#x27;t want to have a conversation with my search engine, I want it to return links based strictly on the keywords I provide.
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yodon超过 2 年前
Is the <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bing.com&#x2F;new" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bing.com&#x2F;new</a> link working?<p>I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s not live yet or if I&#x27;m not seeing it because I&#x27;m checking from a Mac (via both Chrome and the OSX version of Edge)
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d0tn3t超过 2 年前
Innovators dilemma at play.<p>- Google look at LLM through the lens of advertising.<p>- Microsoft look at LLM through the lens of browser and search competition.<p>The launch strategy might indicate that Cortana has an even worse market share than Bing, even though it is better form factor for ChatGPT integration. Curious what others think.
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actuator超过 2 年前
How do people feel about sites from where this data is coming losing out on revenue?<p>When Google started showing answers, I remember complaints regarding Google benefiting from the site&#x27;s data while depriving the site of a visitor. ChatGPT takes it to the next level.<p>Social media companies had run into issues for showing og tag content from news sites, where news sites complained of loss of revenue. In some jurisdictions they were fundamentally forced to ink deals with news sites for something core to the web, which is hyperlinking stuff. Here, we are going one step ahead by summarising.<p>While we are appreciating this now, this will become a fundamental issue in future if search engines keep becoming the content platform themselves.
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hankman86超过 2 年前
Everyone keeps talking about Google being caught off guard, declaring a “code red” scenario and reeling the founders back in to avert an existential threat etc.<p>I don’t personally care about Google so much. They haven’t innovated on their core product in a long time.<p>What most of the journalistic coverage of the Bing+ChatGPT integration seems to be missing is that this is also the end of organic search traffic. Information-centric websites are the first to miss out on a lot of clicks. And as ChatGPT evolves into an assistant that performs actual jobs for you, websites that perform actual services (e.g., online shopping) may be next in line to suffer a decline in traffic.
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MR4D超过 2 年前
FTA: &gt; Unlike ChatGPT, the new Bing can also retrieve news about recent events. In The Verge’s demos, the search engine was even able to answer questions about its own launch, citing stories published by news sites in the last hour.<p>Game changer right there.
Waterluvian超过 2 年前
This feels like a great opportunity to give it a better name than Bing and quietly retire it.
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nailer超过 2 年前
Direct link to source article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;07&#x2F;reinventing-search-with-a-new-ai-powered-microsoft-bing-and-edge-your-copilot-for-the-web&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;07&#x2F;reinventing-sear...</a>
codeulike超过 2 年前
Here&#x27;s a good video of it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;karenxcheng&#x2F;status&#x2F;1623055316350029825" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;karenxcheng&#x2F;status&#x2F;1623055316350029825</a><p>They ask <i>&quot;Will the IKEA Klippan loveseat fit into my 2019 Honda Odyssey if I fold down the seats?&quot;</i><p>You can see the Bing says it searching for the seat dimensions, then that its searching for the cargo dimentions of the Odyssey, then it integrates what it found out into a reply.<p>So they&#x27;ve trained this thing to work out which bits it needs to go fetch from the internet.
ericpp超过 2 年前
I was hoping they would do more than just put ChatGPT into Bing.<p>For instance, the question about travel should generate a result of suggested places that includes photos and links to more information. The result should be easily skimmable to let the user narrow in on things that are interesting and skip over things that are not.<p>Instead, it just generates a text essay in a chat bubble that you have to read through each time.
layer8超过 2 年前
A quote from The Verge live blog: <i>&quot;Early red teaming showed that the model could help plan attacks&quot; on things like schools. &quot;We don&#x27;t want to aid in illegal activity.&quot; So the model is used to act as a bad actor to test the model itself.</i><p>Based on that last sentence, I think I have a good idea now how AGI will take over humanity. ;)<p>(Not implying that the current tech is anywhere close to AGI.)
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endisneigh超过 2 年前
it&#x27;s interesting to compare all of the hype around LLM on here with my anecdotal experience with my tech friends who doesn&#x27;t really seem to care, and my non-tech friends who couldn&#x27;t care less.<p>sort of reminds me of the hype around 3D movies immediately after the first Avatar movie.
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EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK超过 2 年前
Big question, will it require an account? As evil as Google has become, you can still search things anonymously (kinda). Having access to someone&#x27;s searches is like looking directly into their brain.
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tester756超过 2 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;microsoft.html</a><p>:D<p>Shows that strategy &amp; execution beat everything
fleddr超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m sure that if this works well, users will love it. It&#x27;s the second-order effects I worry about.<p>A pretty existential one is that is bleeds the web dry. The AI is trained by a zillion websites but will never actually send you to it. It may not even know its direct sources. I think that&#x27;s a pretty massive concern for anyone publishing on the web.<p>Another one is that the AI is pretty confidentially taking the role of the bringer of truth, rather than just a proxy to an end result. Not only may that truth be incorrect, it may also be subjective&#x2F;politically tuned, plus a central owner is fully in charge of whatever is the truth.<p>Anyway, I&#x27;m sure &quot;it&#x27;ll be fine&quot;.
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avgDev超过 2 年前
This is going to get spicy. I wonder what impact it will have on Google&#x27;s monopoly.
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NGRhodes超过 2 年前
I have mixed feelings about this.<p>I like the integration and the helpfulness, reminds me of the ships computer off the Enterprise in Star Trek in that it can be very useful for collecting information to help learn and make decisions.<p>Things I don&#x27;t like: This adds a layer between content creators and the user, its opaque, we don&#x27;t know what filtering, censoring is happening, how accurate the information is that is being derived, how laws are being interpreted, how legal, untested gray areas are handled.<p>Also how are the content creators going be compensated, I think this could lead to more and more content being put behind barriers to help protect income and IP.
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sigmar超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m remembering a HN comment from yesterday that suggested Microsoft use this as an opportunity to rebrand bing... Kind of hilarious they thought calling it &quot;new bing&quot; was the way to go.
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0x49d1超过 2 年前
These are great news for the competition! Can&#x27;t really test Microsoft&#x27;s implementation yet, but you.com already has ChatGPT-2 integrated in their search for some time and it&#x27;s really OK, I find myself to use it more and more instead of old search: you just get the answer + aggregation of sources + other results if you need more deep checks.
plastic3169超过 2 年前
When ever there is new technology people try to force old use cases into it as it somehow looks the same. When film came around conventions of theatre plays were used before the language of film was discovered.<p>I have a feeling that we might be fitting chatAIs to search because the ui sort of looks the same, but maybe it’s a thing of it’s own.
zmk5超过 2 年前
This is really interesting tech but I wonder how they are going to monetize this. Will it be traditional ads shown as results or would they be incorporated into the AI bots text? Like the &quot;5-day trip to Mexico&quot; prompt with the return being hotel stays and restaurants that fork up money to be included in the AI bots response.
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enervation超过 2 年前
From the Verge&#x27;s liveblogging (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;2&#x2F;7&#x2F;23588249&#x2F;microsoft-event-ai-live-blog-openai-chatgpt-bing-announcements-news" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;2&#x2F;7&#x2F;23588249&#x2F;microsoft-event-a...</a>)<p>&quot;This is an important part of the presentation, but I just want to note that Microsoft is having to carefully explain how its new search engine will be prevented from helping to plan school shootings.<p>&quot;Early red teaming showed that the model could help plan attacks&quot; on things like schools. &quot;We don&#x27;t want to aid in illegal activity.&quot; So the model is used to act as a bad actor to test the model itself.&quot;<p>If ChatGPT is still susceptible to simple prompt engineering attacks like DAN, I don&#x27;t feel confident that their safety system is actually going to be robust enough to prevent malicious use.
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sigmonsays超过 2 年前
What is something like &quot;ChatGPT Search&quot; going to do to the web as a whole?<p>Are we further consolidating resources into a few language models and now there will only be a few places for answers?<p>The skeptic in me is worried. It seems like information will be distilled down and lots of opinions and details will be lost in the process.
userbinator超过 2 年前
Until an AI can answer questions like &quot;what 44-pad QFN has marking DM164495-12&quot; I&#x27;m not interested. In fact I don&#x27;t want conversational, I want grep. It&#x27;s disturbing how much computing power is being spent on AI search when it could be used for something more like actual grep.
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zmmmmm超过 2 年前
Even if all this does is convinces people to try Bing for the novelty of using the ChatGPT features, it may cause a significant inroad to Google&#x27;s dominance from whatever percentage then discover they are just fine with Bing as their search engine. Will be fascinating to see what happens.
dagaci超过 2 年前
Never under estimate Microsoft&#x27;s ability to screw a &quot;first mover advantage up&quot; they have done this many times before. They really need to keep this thing focused and not try and use it to try and switch everyone to edge, push bing news, and install weird browser extensions....
the42thdoctor超过 2 年前
For paying the people that create the content on which this thing if built on top of they could implement the YouTube premium model.<p>Whenever ChatGPT uses something you wrote to answer a query they give you some cents based on how much content was stolen from you.<p>This would also encourage people to write more...
impalallama超过 2 年前
I am incredibly impressed with the demos being able to have excellent citations to more primary sources which effectively solves the biggest problem with using ChatGPT. If this works as well as they plan Bing will become the primary search engine for many.
finikytou超过 2 年前
I always wondered if search engines like bing and google were widely used by really young people nowadays or if their entry to the internet was tiktok and maybe reddit or youtube? I suspect the old school portal&#x2F;engines are less and less relevant to younger generations and somehow the medium of a general search will disappear as the world close down on globalization. some countries will def forbid chatgpt and obviously search just like it is today will be biased. the AI moderators will be in power to build a world that reflects its worst. just like they did on google or tiktok
redox99超过 2 年前
I tried (regular) bing after this announcement, and I&#x27;m kind of surprised at some of it&#x27;s flaws.<p>1. Visited and unvisited links look the same???? (Instead of blue vs purple). Literally a deal breaker in my case<p>2. No dark mode in 2023???
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graeme超过 2 年前
Edit: upon closer reading the workout one is impressive. I hadn’t noticed how specific the question was<p>——-<p>So Bing has some sample searches. Do these seem compelling to people here?<p>They generally took a while to output in chat. Meanwhile the answer was often staring right at me from the preview text of the search results.<p>I tried the one for cars. Top result has multiple suitable cars and it had pictures.<p>And I know the top results are generally unlikely to be nonsense otherwise the sites would have poor engagement and they don’t rank.<p>ChatGPT has….something. But it isn’t obvious to me search is what it has. The existing product is already very good and fast.
gardenhedge超过 2 年前
Microsoft&#x27;s lazy ass approach to a search engine may finally pay off!
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Nemi超过 2 年前
Ok, here is a thought. In the frame of reference of “commoditizing your complement” (see Joel on software), you could argue that Google has been doing that for years to microsoft, by releasing Chrome, ChromeOS, and Android. This commoditized Microsoft’s business model, to some extent. Now, MS responded commendably well by changing there business model, but that does not change the fact of what Google did.<p>Would it not be amazing and poetic if Microsoft, in one fell swoop, commoditized search (which is 99% of Google’s business model)?
alexklarjr超过 2 年前
I , as everyone, exited that instead of thinking about query and then evaluating information written by someone, can just let our corporate overlords bot provide me definitive answer.
asplake超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m glad I&#x27;m not paying Microsoft&#x27;s electricity bill
stackedinserter超过 2 年前
Shower thought: with SO, Wikipedia, Quora etc eaten by LLM&#x27;s, who (or what) will be generating content to train (teach?) LLM&#x27;s with new, more relevant data?
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croes超过 2 年前
Wasn&#x27;t Google accused of stealing traffic from web sites by show the results in Google instead of only linking to the pages.<p>This is worse. So I think MS will get sued, a lot.
andrewstuart超过 2 年前
Microsoft should have come up with a new brand for this product - it would have made it feel more exciting instead of being burdened with the failed bing brand.
timeon超过 2 年前
There is this quote from Czech movie called Pelíšky: &quot;I mean, it must have been an awful lot of work. At the same time, such nonsense, huh?&quot;
college_physics超过 2 年前
Fans of privacy-first browsers and search engines should take notice. The eventual mode (or modes) chatgpt and similar language algorithms get integrated will not settle for a while but it is likely that it will do in some shape or form. Thinking about and building apps and services and ethical business models that use this new toolkit to good effect seems more opportune than normal.
sam345超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34700191" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34700191</a>
JohnFen超过 2 年前
I really hope this doesn&#x27;t change how DDG operates.
endisneigh超过 2 年前
I wonder if the ads given by this will be unblockable.
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replwoacause超过 2 年前
I just watched the highlights from the Microsoft reveal, and it was incredibly dull. Their presentation was so uninspiring that I had to close it and move on. It&#x27;s strange how they managed to take something exciting and make it so uninteresting. Oh, and I tried it out and wasn&#x27;t impressed either.
whoomp12342超过 2 年前
You know, the other day windows 11 would not allow me to install git-scm, because it didnt come from the microsoft store.<p>I am sure this will go well.
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habith超过 2 年前
Uh, couldn’t link directly to Microsoft? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;07&#x2F;reinventing-search-with-a-new-ai-powered-microsoft-bing-and-edge-your-copilot-for-the-web&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;07&#x2F;reinventing-sear...</a>
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turingbook超过 2 年前
&quot;Applying AI to core search algorithm. We’ve also applied the AI model to our core Bing search ranking engine, which led to the largest jump in relevance in two decades. With this AI model, even basic search queries are more accurate and more relevant.&quot; The large foundational model will change lots of things!
hintymad超过 2 年前
I still remember numerous reports of more than 10 years ago how Bing could not catch up to Google, or how MS moved slowly, or how Balmer threw a chair towards a distinguished engineer, lashing out about massive loss of talent in MS.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t dream that some day MS could be a step ahead of Google, at least per their blog posts.
low_tech_punk超过 2 年前
Interesting they chose Bing over Cortana.
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skc超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m actually surprised at how many people on HN see this as a big deal. I can only assume it&#x27;s because there is a lot of confidence in Satya Nadella to execute well.<p>I can&#x27;t imagine this same announcement being met with anything other than &quot;meh&quot; under Ballmer for example.
trekkie1024超过 2 年前
From the livestream:<p><i>Last Q: Any plans to incorporate ads? Yusuf: Ads will be there from the start.</i><p>I wonder how that&#x27;s implemented.
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dwaltrip超过 2 年前
Is this live? When will it be available?
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vicentwu超过 2 年前
I can&#x27;t wait to see the model&#x27;s ability of saying &quot;They don&#x27;t know&quot;, which I think is an important feature if it serves as a search engine, because it can reduce the amount of generated ramblings which it&#x27;s actually really good at.
Klonoar超过 2 年前
How does Bing, at whatever point, overcome the odd issue of: &quot;google it&quot; is a verb in pretty much every culture I&#x27;ve traveled through. Bing isn&#x27;t even in the conversation.<p>Changing the tech doesn&#x27;t mean much on this one, but I&#x27;m curious what others think here.
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stuaxo超过 2 年前
So; Ask Jeeves finally comes to pass.
bl4ckm0r3超过 2 年前
I wonder if and, in case, how these new ai-powered search engines are going to change SEO status quo. At the moment, i think, this is only used to better understand user input, but could it be trained to extract content from text in a better way than we do today?
de6u99er超过 2 年前
I think Microsoft is entering a potential market just by chance based on vague, if at all, product ideas.<p>So far GPT has been trained with data generated by humans. Curious how the quality of it&#x27;s output will change once it gets fed with AI generated data.
vinyl7超过 2 年前
I look forward to the day where tech development isn&#x27;t lead by marketing keywords
neuronic超过 2 年前
Rooting hard for Microsoft here because I want to see disruption in this space. I am so very tired of the crappy Google results when I search for anything that isn&#x27;t a Wikipedia article.<p>And even then I have to scroll past 6 ads first.
skilled超过 2 年前
Well, they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit because I am not about to live my life and write content knowing that some AI model will hoover it up and fuck me out of my livelihood.
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AuryGlenz超过 2 年前
I wonder when they’ll integrate this into Cortana. I’d absolutely replace our Amazon Echo devices with that, if they offer it. The answers would be far better than the usual “I found this on the web…”
davidkunz超过 2 年前
I dislike the 1000 character limit. In ChatGPT, it&#x27;s quite useful to insert larger chunks, e.g. for &quot;improve this text&quot; or &quot;given that code, how can I implement ...&quot; questions.
InCityDreams超过 2 年前
As a European, i can&#x27;t wait for the EU to start the $fining process.
NoPicklez超过 2 年前
Anyone notice that in some of the examples of the new Bing, it shows the AI result on the right handside and actually cites the websites it got the information from throughout its response.<p>That&#x27;s good!
joaoqalves超过 2 年前
This day will be remembered as the &quot;Bing Bang&quot;. Game changer
SunghoYahng超过 2 年前
But it costs a ton of money, and how is MS going to deal with that? Someone please explain to me. If tons of people keep using ChatGPT, will MS have any money left over?
sublinear超过 2 年前
Damn. I was really hoping for the return of Clippy. RIP ClipGPT
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ipaddr超过 2 年前
Will it be as censored as Chatgpt. I asked something like who are the tallest celebrity in a country and it responded that personal attributes are off limits
gigel82超过 2 年前
Better than I expected, especially the Edge integration... no word on monetization so I presume ads down our throat and signing over our data for eternity.
legrande超过 2 年前
Tangential, but Google provides many answers to various questions in an intuitive way above the fold and without having to click on various articles &#x2F; URLs. This is great, but also drives traffic away from websites, keeping everything on Google.com! Can&#x27;t wait to see how Google implements its &#x27;Bard&#x27;[0] system alongside search.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.google&#x2F;technology&#x2F;ai&#x2F;bard-google-ai-search-updates&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.google&#x2F;technology&#x2F;ai&#x2F;bard-google-ai-search-upda...</a>
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2bitencryption超过 2 年前
So much for &quot;citing its work.&quot;<p>The answer I got here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bing.com&#x2F;search?q=What%20cars%20should%20I%20consider%20buying%20that%20are%20AWD,%20go%200-60%20in%20less%20than%206%20seconds,%20seat%206%20or%20more%20and%20have%20decent%20reviews?&amp;iscopilotedu=1&amp;form=MA13GA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bing.com&#x2F;search?q=What%20cars%20should%20I%20con...</a><p>Says the Tesla Model Y can go from 0 to 60 in 4.8 seconds, and has a citation link to a page that... doesn&#x27;t even mention Tesla once.
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cowmix超过 2 年前
Google is the new Xerox.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM</a>
Lapsa超过 2 年前
bing! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7GM4Lt5k24s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7GM4Lt5k24s</a>
yayr超过 2 年前
Google has had a huge history of poor product execution. So long it was not strongly apparent in ads and also not so much in search but many other areas. Now they again show this poor product execution and lack of customer focus in AI. The reason that they struggle is not that they don&#x27;t have smart brains in their org, but that they are not able to translate that power into customer value and imagine and iterate effectively towards user space. Let&#x27;s see if they can get the curve...
wonderfuly超过 2 年前
Use <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt4google.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt4google.com</a> to get that today
dudeinjapan超过 2 年前
They really need to drop the name &quot;Bing&quot;. I asked ChatGPT and the best name it came up with IMO is &quot;Odyssey&quot;
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NoPicklez超过 2 年前
Using the examples, it&#x27;s quite good.<p>It is actually referencing the websites where its getting its information from throughout the result.<p>Which is great!
LrnByTeach超过 2 年前
Why Google named ChatGPT competitor as “Apprentice Bard”?<p>Here&#x27;s my take.<p>&quot;Apprentice is Barred from this AI race&quot; is the phrase.<p>&quot;You (OpenAI) Apprentice are Barred from this AI race, because, well you are just an apprentice&quot;<p>To counter Sun Microsystems&#x27; dominance in the Java market, IBM named its IDE as &quot;Eclipse.&quot;( blocking Sun).<p>PS: To be clear, that is not my personal opinion of OpenAI, I believe OpenAI brought so much innovation to this LLM space.<p>Just sharing what came into my head, why Google picked that name.
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solarkraft超过 2 年前
Google had prototypes of this (Google Assistant) for a long, long time. But they bafflingly never made it to the desktop.
siva7超过 2 年前
Now Bing is finally a real competitor to Google Search. Makes me wonder if we are slowly seeing Google losing its edge.
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Bharath1234超过 2 年前
Since the Transformer decoder cannot be parallelized during inference, how can it be cost effective at scale?!
AndrewKemendo超过 2 年前
For what it&#x27;s worth, and I get zero financial or other benefit from this, but Neeva search has a really great GPT summary and query system by default AND it&#x27;s a paid search tool that you can make default everywhere (iOS FF &amp; Win FF for me).<p>It&#x27;s data policy + great search + no ads + AI Summary is just killer and has completely transformed my web experience.
michelb超过 2 年前
I bet Microsoft is also going to make a killing from Teams Premium. Some nice features in there.
allenu超过 2 年前
I wonder what this and whatever Google has got planned will do to content generation on the web. If whatever you write will now easily get hoovered up into an AI but you don&#x27;t get the benefit of actual clicks to your site, will you still be motivated to post? And will more content go behind a paywall to avoid getting freely used by AI? That said, I do hope it strikes a blow to a lot of awful SEO content out there.
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bigbacaloa超过 2 年前
Even worse AI powered searches? I can&#x27;t wait to search for something technical.
gardenhedge超过 2 年前
Exciting stuff in the search space but my guess is Microsoft messes it up. They have pretty bad products all round and when they do have a good product they often mess up the next version.<p>Google&#x27;s AI tech will be as good or better. I also think the AI tech will quickly become a commodity.
SirLJ超过 2 年前
I wonder how this will affect duckduckgo and similar using bing results...
primer42超过 2 年前
What does this mean for DDG search? Don&#x27;t they mostly use bing?
ttn超过 2 年前
Radical changes are ahead in terms of monetization on the internet.
mancerayder超过 2 年前
I really hope AI puts Google Search out of business.
valeg超过 2 年前
They should buy Ask Jeeves brand for the lulz.
MeriB超过 2 年前
Bing Vs Bard? I ll pick Bing just for the lolz
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ycombinatornews超过 2 年前
Clippy is back!
outcoldman超过 2 年前
In a few years we might remember online web search similar to the internet catalog. Thinking, how were you able to navigate internet using that?
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m3kw9超过 2 年前
Looks like a big misstep by Sundar
rejectfinite超过 2 年前
bing.com&#x2F;new is supposed to work from their slides, but may not be live yet.
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seydor超过 2 年前
There s no video of the event?
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breck超过 2 年前
When will it launch??
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sublinear超过 2 年前
so... fake and gay?
CatWChainsaw超过 2 年前
SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won&#x27;t have any way to source the answers, and we&#x27;ll rely on a big corporation&#x27;s version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.
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resource0x超过 2 年前
Before long, we will have 10 ai-powered search engines. Here is an idea: create a website (or browser plugin) to organize the debate between search engines. That is, for every response from bing, send a question to bard (&quot;I heard that ... Is it true?&quot;), and then feed a response back to bing, etc., occasionally asking ddg to chime in.<p>Suggested domain name: flamewar.ai
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anthropodie超过 2 年前
Yesterday Google and now Microsoft both announcing their own chat bot integration and yet there is not a single link where I can try out either one of them.<p>What is this new trend of announcing things as if it&#x27;s available for general use and then hiding it behind invites or not making it available at all.
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WirelessGigabit超过 2 年前
Am I the only person annoyed that the first 30 links on this page are to &#x27;theverge.com&#x27;? I want to get to Bing itself. Or at least the waitlist. I don&#x27;t want to have to parse through so much text and get distracted.<p>In fact, the only place where &#x27;bing.com&#x2F;new&#x27; shows up is in the source code used for what I think is SEO. I cannot find an href anywhere pointing to bing.com&#x2F;new<p>So here it is: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bing.com&#x2F;new" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bing.com&#x2F;new</a>
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californiadreem超过 2 年前
During the early stages of the Great Depression, the average age of workers went down as economic costs mounted in keeping the older, less efficient, more compensated workers employed. This simultaneously led to increased mechanization by factory owners and the creation of social security by the federal government. I can&#x27;t help but noticing the potential for the same pattern here. It feels like we&#x27;ve reached Bronze Orientation Day for Silicon: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=6O6jbZ_fdrY">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=6O6jbZ_fdrY</a>
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anigbrowl超过 2 年前
I already have an OpenAI account, API keys etc, now I have to ask permission to get on a waitlist for Bing, just to find out what&#x27;s different? Meh.
bfeynman超过 2 年前
Tried to test Bing after probably only usually it accidentally a few times over past 10 years, holy shit is it garbage. If you search &quot;how to use a database&quot; the results are literally all about how to use Microsoft Access, and people call out google for favoring its own results.
riskneutral超过 2 年前
I just tried to use this feature on Bing. The first link prominently at the top with a text blurb was something called &quot;answer-all.com&quot; ... It indeed had a good answer to my question, but when I clicked the link it looked like a scam site that asks me to &quot;upgrade Adobe Flash&quot; ... I&#x27;m really confused by the whole experience.
MagicMoonlight超过 2 年前
Will it be like ChatGPT where you ask it a question and it says &quot;Sorry I can&#x27;t do that because I am ChatGPT, a language model.&quot; or &quot;Sorry but drumpf bad, drumpf bad&quot;<p>Because I don&#x27;t really want a biased search engine that&#x27;s going to get snarky with me if I look up something work-related that contains no-no phrases or mentions violence.
low_tech_punk超过 2 年前
Did anyone try the &quot;Fast Access&quot; sign up? I did all the tasks on the list and the page remained the same. I think it&#x27;s a scam to get more user sign-ups for Bing. At the minimum, the page should indicate your updated status on whether or not you are on the &quot;faster&quot; track.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bing.com&#x2F;new&#x2F;fastaccess?form=MY0291&amp;OCID=MY0291" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bing.com&#x2F;new&#x2F;fastaccess?form=MY0291&amp;OCID=MY0291</a>
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rvz超过 2 年前
If you haven’t realised yet, Microsoft Bing with ChatGPT is the last stage of the EEE phase ‘Extinguish’ after embracing and extending OpenAI, that will drive and undercut other competing services like Jasper.ai to zero and the best AI tools for free or close to free.<p>It will significantly affect smaller so-called AI companies like Jasper.ai than Google. But this announcement is unsurprising and as expected. [0]<p>I will reiterate again. The only way to disrupt OpenAI especially ChatGPT, is for an open source version of ChatGPT which is smaller and can run offline. This happened with Stable Diffusion towards DALLE-2.<p>A open source model that matches ChatGPT and even bests GPT-4 extinguishes the need to use OpenAI’s APIs and will change everything.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34684700" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34684700</a>
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