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The Chemistry of ‘Yes Minister’ (2017)

161 点作者 lnyan超过 2 年前

19 条评论

dia80超过 2 年前
True Story: I visited No. 11 Downing Street as a school boy in 1998 when Gordon Brown, our local MP, was chancellor. He took us next door to no. 12 where Nick Brown was chief whip, he started pointing out things in his office and as he was doing so a side door opened and a man stepped in. He pointed at the man and said "And that's a civil servant". The man reversed course, closed the door, opened it again and stuck his head around and said "Yes, minister". My classmates didn't get the joke, I did but was too stunned to laugh as Nick Brown and Gordon Brown had fallen about laughing and I was just thinking "aren't you meant to be running the country and not making TV jokes?" To be fair it was pretty funny :)
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cletus超过 2 年前
I grew up watching Yes, (Prime)? Minister. The 70s to the early 80s were really the golden age of British TV. This show, Blake&#x27;s 7 (if you like sci-fi and haven&#x27;t seen this it&#x27;s still great, go watch it), Dr Who&#x27;s golden years (ie Tom Baker), even the Goodies. probably even Grange Hill (which had a high school student die of a heroin overdose).<p>One particularly prescient piece was the Nuclear Deterrant [1]. Even 40+ years ago this episode argued that nuclear weapons were mostly pointless because you&#x27;d never use them and instead you should invest in smart weapons. The linked segment even has a line that the Soviets can&#x27;t take Western Europe, they can&#x27;t even hold Afghanistan. Consider that in light of Ukraine. Think about where munitions have gone and &quot;smart&quot; weapons are particularly prevelent.<p>And of course the writing and performance for Sir Humphrey in particular was absolutely top notch.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4</a>
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alexwasserman超过 2 年前
When I was in high school (in the UK) we had a talk from someone who had been the Principle Private Secretary to the prime minister in the 80s and 90s, as well as cabinet secretary. Similar roles to Bernard and Sir Humphrey.<p>He commented on how incredibly accurate the show was, not just in the humour, but in the rules, regulations, behaviour of the characters, etc.<p>Even small details were accurate, like the time Jim (through Bernard) locks the door between Downing St and the cabinet office. We were told how there was a single door, and use was a privilege afforded to specific roles, and it could be cut off.<p>For all its excellent humour, it was especially biting for how true and accurate it was about basically everything. The scenarios were all cleverly written to be generic enough to be timeless, while also specific enough to the time.<p>We still argue about the value of nuclear deterrents, for example, and the politicians still mindlessly chase votes and vote winning ideas and slogans.
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rcarmo超过 2 年前
I recently re-watched the first few seasons with my kids (who are now teens and were, beyond all expectations, absolutely riveted to the screen). I wholly agree with the &quot;somewhat-Machiavellian&quot; moniker regarding Sir Humphrey, but it is quite fun to watch the tables turn as the Minister (sometimes) gets the upper hand.<p>That episode, in particular, was hilarious and felt very, very much up to date, and highlighted (also to my kids) how people &quot;in charge&quot; and &quot;scientifically correct&quot; could be overwhelmed and undermined by those kinds of situations.
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jl6超过 2 年前
If you’ve ever wondered why you like both Yes Minister and Clue (the 1985 movie), it’s because they both come from the pen of Jonathan Lynn.<p>Who can’t hear an echo of Sir Humphrey in this exchange?:<p><i>Colonel Mustard: &quot;No&quot; meaning &quot;yes?&quot; Look, I want a straight answer, is there someone else, or isn&#x27;t there, yes, or no?</i><p><i>Wadsworth: No.</i><p><i>Colonel Mustard: No there is, or no there isn&#x27;t?</i><p><i>Wadsworth: Yes.</i>
ryzvonusef超过 2 年前
I miss this show and its characters.<p>My father was a stenographer in a ministry (perhaps the Bernard equivalent), and he loved this show because it hit close to home, despite not being from the same country, issues were still the same. And I loved watching it with him.<p>Now all three of the stars are dead, my father has passed away too, and every time I see a clip of the show on Youtube, it hurts a little, the nostalgia cuts.
dingosity超过 2 年前
Growing up, my dad was a US Congressman (and later chief of staff of a different congressman&#x27;s office and in retirement a minor functionary in the county tax office.)<p>I LOVED Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister. To this day I ramble on about meeting minutes in attempted imitation of Humphrey Appleby.<p>I knew Jay and Lynn were onto something when my father watched 5 minutes of one episode and said &quot;I ain&#x27;t watchin&#x27; that bullshit. It&#x27;s too much like work.&quot;<p>Speaking of chemistry, I caught the play at Chichester a while back (with different actors.) Perfectly good acting and perfectly good writing, but the &quot;chemistry&quot; was definitely different. Not better. Not worse. Just different.
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AlbertCory超过 2 年前
YM and YPM are amazing in that there are almost zero other political comedies that have any life beyond a year or two. Those shows are still hilarious even 30 years later.<p>Last time this topic came up, someone put me on to &quot;The Thick of It&quot; which is quite different but also very funny. Too bad you have to subscribe to BritBox to see all of it, AFAIK.
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hnthrowaway0315超过 2 年前
YM and YPM are gems that will shine almost forever, as long as human minds don&#x27;t change.<p>Salut to the authors, and Salut to the trio that shall live eternally in our hearts.
db48x超过 2 年前
That is one of the more memorable episodes. Even the head of the British Chemical Corporation has no clue what he‘s talking about; he’s a political appointee with no actual chemistry education, since this is a nationalized industry. They’re not holding back in this episode.
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onethought超过 2 年前
Modern Australian Equivalent of this is Utopia, though it’s focused on the bureaucrats instead of the politicians. Chemistry&#x2F;Writing&#x2F;Performance all really hit the mark For the Australian Public Service.
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kwertyoowiyop超过 2 年前
The scary thing about Yes Minister is that most episodes were based on actual events.
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WeylandYutani超过 2 年前
I love this show. It really makes fun of the fact that the people who run the country are the civil service not the elected representatives. Which is probably for the best.
zem超过 2 年前
quite possibly my favourite tv show of all time, though it&#x27;s hard to compare across genres. definitely my favourite tv comedy, beating out even the excellent &quot;jeeves and wooster&quot; adaptation.
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ngcc_hk超过 2 年前
The slice by slice approach talked in there for whether to push the nuclear bomb is a good strategy for Russian. They have got 1 and 3 and … if they kept on doing that where is Ukraine to defend against.<p>Great for Ukraine Russia did not learn the lesson of how they take a bit and German can still build stream II and we still have Olympic etc.<p>Luckily for us all. Better of course if they do not invade. Tell chinese about Taiwan. They cannot help themselves.
v8xi超过 2 年前
Just a helpful acrostic I remember from organic chemistry: ROMP. R is your reference chain, then ortho, meta, para as you go around the ring.
ur-whale超过 2 年前
One of the very best shows I&#x27;ve ever watched on TV.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=h6BpkhAF8jQ">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=h6BpkhAF8jQ</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU</a>
aix1超过 2 年前
I feel like Parlement deserves a mention: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Parlement_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Parlement_(TV_series)</a><p>I rather enjoyed it.
raffraffraff超过 2 年前
My most rewatched show off all time