Bringing Clojure programming to Enterprise (2021)

&gt; A first element of decision lied in the fact that our product used a great number of data structures and business management rules which aim to evolve very frequently and be adapted to new business contexts over time.<p>They seem to have a very good use case for Clojure adoption. The article mentions many of the affordances Clojure gives you for data oriented, information processing problems.<p>But one of the unsung heroes of Clojure is the namespaced keyword:<p>If you’re already working in a FP, data oriented style but in a language that doesn’t have them, I recommend you have a go with Clojure and explore them.<p>It’s such a simple construct that gives you a lot of leverage in terms of semantics, code organization, flexibility and validation.<p>Think of them as having characteristics of uuids, URLs, URNs etc. they stand on their own and have meaning across system boundaries.<p>It’s very nice and calming to have that in-built as an everyday construct.

Informative, no-nonsense account. Would be cool to have more such contributions from &#x27;non-tech&#x27; industries as a counterbalance to the drama and hyperbole and hidden agendas of the usual suspects

Makes total sense once you learn that parentheses are all little tyre cutouts bouncing around.

There is nothing specific to tyre manufacturing in this article. The original title was more informative: &quot;Bringing Clojure programming to Enterprise&quot;

It&#x27;s really nice to see Clojure being adopted more and more by large companies, showing big results not only for statups. Clojure has been designed with this in mind, to let the old Lisp mindset behind.<p>The same author also publish a introductory article about datalog. Check it out!

&gt;This use-case has been achieved using a single Clojure variable.<p>Can you expand more on how the business rules are executed with the variable ? Maybe a simple example ? Clojure-newbie looking to learn more :)

I wonder if Groovy doesn&#x27;t allow one to produce a more user-friendly DSL, whilst retaining the benefits of integration with the java ecosystem? No strong personal opinion here, but have been coincidentally reading up on Groovy and mentally retrofitting to DSL I did in Ruby a while back.

I haven&#x27;t really looked at clojure since 2015? maybe. Nice to see that it&#x27;s still around. I&#x27;ve never worked with a LISP in a professional setting, but like Haskell it&#x27;s fun to play around with once and a while.

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How well would Clojure fit into a Spring Boot centric environment?

I don&#x27;t use Clojure and I probably never will, but I love seeing the way it&#x27;s been kind of a jailbreak moment for Java programmers trapped in enterprise practices. It was laser-focused to give specifically those people access to a whole lot of highly-productive and pleasant language features, wrapped up in a package that enterprise management could be amenable to. It seems like it succeeded in liberating a bunch of people at their real jobs, which is cool to see

I’m noticing a lot of clojure posts recently. Has the language become more popular lately? Is there any reason behind it?

I’ll note this article could have been written ten years ago without changing a word. If you’ve already made your mind up about Clojure, there’s very little going on that’s going to move that needle.

I actually quitted a job in 2017 because I was so hyped around my discovery of clojure in 2016 and wanted to write some piece of code that was gonna parse some JS code and spit out some other JS code. (I quitted cuz I never got the project done and my manager was like hey man it&#x27;s been 5 months do you have any updates and I&#x27;m like hey I&#x27;ve been rewriting the same thing over and over again while hopping between 5 different editors and 3 different build tools and to be honest all I&#x27;ve done is learning emacs for the past month).<p>I don&#x27;t know if things have improved but back then everything felt either a WIP or obsolete. You wanna use lein to build but apparently that&#x27;s ancient and you really should be using this other build tool that&#x27;s not fully integrated with any editor other than emacs and hey while you are at it the Clojure team has released their own dependency management tool and you really should be using that instead. By the way who uses intellij when there is VS Code?<p>Clojure boasts about it&#x27;s strong Java interop and ability to use the existing Java ecosystem but it has one of the worst intellij integrations, using a 3rd party plugin that is either broken or not working with your build tooling.<p>Oh did you say you wanna use Gradle or Maven to build your Clojure stuff? You could actually do it, funny guy.<p>The language is probably the most practical lisp out there, but it also brings all the artificial lisp superiority syndrome with it (and forces you into submitting the rest of your life to emacs in praise of lisp culture).<p>You think you&#x27;ll pick it up quickly and be productive but juggling between learning all the build tooling, the language itself, editing lisp and integrating all those 1-man libraries that are scattered all over github, you end up losing weeks if not months on fixing boilerplate.<p>I would give it another go but now that I think about debugging a Clojure app in runtime and making sense of a reflection-based, dynamic language on top of JVM, I&#x27;m like naaah I already have enough stress-induced grey hairs...<p>Haskell gives me the pure functional kick that I want, and the rest I can deal with in Kotlin or even Java 11.