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Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

226 点作者 mmurph211超过 2 年前

24 条评论

shmatt超过 2 年前
The thing is, this becomes theater of working. Imagine commuting to the office 60-90 minutes each direction just to sit in a stuffy room and zoom<p>Want to talk collaboration and productivity? Let&#x27;s see if a company bans zoom for office days (but none will)<p>And im not even going to start on the complete waste of time of people in an open space talking non stop about their fantasy football draft. I haven&#x27;t heard those words in 3 years, it was nice that way
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wonderwonder超过 2 年前
Kind of think people not being able to return to the office is the goal. It lets them reduce head count without the need for severance. Kind of like in office space when they just stopped paying the guy.<p>I did laugh at the part about being the world&#x27;s best employer. Pretty hard to do with mandatory pips and firing warehouse employees via algorithms.
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benjismith超过 2 年前
I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I&#x27;m not at Amazon, btw).<p>I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don&#x27;t necessarily work in the same department&#x2F;team.<p>Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it&#x27;s nice to have a daily change of scenery), but 95% of the time, I&#x27;m the only person there (in an office with nine desks). Before the pandemic there were 80~100 people in our office.<p>Sigh...
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brandon272超过 2 年前
No one knows what the future holds, but as the dust settles on WFH, I think that FAANG will double down on in-office and use their leverage as desirable large market cap companies with lucrative total comp packages to selectively seek out and retain those who are willing to agree to an in-office or hybrid work environment. They have identified in-person collaboration as a key competitive advantage going forward, want people who agree with that philosophy and don&#x27;t see the need to budge despite threats from some of their workers that, without WFH, they will quit and the company will wither and die without them.<p>WFH will continue to proliferate among lower tier companies who simply don&#x27;t have the same levers around prestige and compensation to recruit and retain good talent and are more strongly incentivized to embrace remote work.
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SilverBirch超过 2 年前
Remote work definitely comes down to a company culture issue. For <i>most</i> engineering jobs I would say flexibility is a massive competitive advantage. There are so many great engineers out there who prefer not to be in the office it&#x27;s a great talent pool, but needs to be actively managed in order to get the best out of it. Having said that, Amazon comes across as exactly the company that would require you to be in the office, I&#x27;d be kind of surprised if many people joined Amazon not expecting an extremely high pressure, highly demanding, strong cultured work enviornment.
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xivzgrev超过 2 年前
&quot;For instance, some employees who are part of global teams will come into the office only to continue taking virtual meetings, and they may not even have a coworker in their office, the petition states.&quot;<p>My company is RTO, but with teams across offices, so I know this pain all too well. Our leadership has not addressed this disconnect either, so I wouldn&#x27;t hold your breath.
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x86x87超过 2 年前
this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
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deschutes超过 2 年前
Many made expensive decisions assuming remote work would become the norm. My guess is there is a large overlap between the bristling crowd and expensive decisions crowd.<p>Sure remote work is good for many experienced individual tech workers but bad for basically everyone else including the company and the communities remote workers have moved to.<p>The pro remote arguments reek of motivated reasoning. It is especially hard to escape noticing that remote work is financially beneficial for tech workers. Particularly as it relates to housing.
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ptkanchi超过 2 年前
Let me preface this by saying I don&#x27;t have much of an opinion for or against RTO, but I feel like there&#x27;s too much emotion attached to companies mandating RTO by tech employees. I&#x27;m at a company that is mandating RTO and for the past couple months there has been tons of whining and moaning in public slack channels, team Q&amp;As, company wide Q&amp;As, HR Q&amp;As, being passive aggressive etc. All this behavior has reeked of immense entitlement, leaving a bad taste in my mouth.<p>The fact remains that a company exists to make money. When a company mandates RTO, generally it&#x27;s doing so because it believes that&#x27;s the best way to get the maximum output of it&#x27;s resources against whatever metrics they are measuring against.<p>Employees should feel like the relationship between them and their employer is mutually beneficial, if that&#x27;s no longer the case, pursue external opportunities.<p>We are incredibly lucky we are in a field that has a high demand for strong engineers, so you should be able to find what you are looking for.
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mv4超过 2 年前
I work at Amazon. Every single person I regularly collaborate with is in a different time zone.
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eloop超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s a great opportunity for employers to pick off Amazon&#x27;s best developers. Start making them offers!
dhfbshfbu4u3超过 2 年前
It’s another layoff really. Just less expensive. Some people will leave for whatever reason. Then, when the cycle completes Amazon will go full RTO. I’m betting it will happen by the start of Q4.
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innocentoldguy超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve already shared my negative Amazon experience on HN a couple of times, so I wasn&#x27;t going to comment on this article, but this line caught my eye:<p>&quot;Amazon’s positions on diversity and inclusion...&quot;<p>As someone with ASD who worked at Amazon for over two years, I can say that Amazon&#x27;s stated positions on diversity and inclusion are absolute bullshit. My last manager violated my reasonable accommodations in every conceivable way for over a year and HR did NOTHING about it. In fact, they somehow warped the universe by doing less than nothing.<p>I now work at another FAANG company and the difference is night and day. My current manager is actually a manager with real management skills and the company treats me exceptionally well. If I were an engineer looking for a big-tech job, I&#x27;d skip that second A in FAANG and save myself a whole lot of misery and frustration.
squalo超过 2 年前
No way in hell that Amazon is going to risk losing its tax kickbacks by not meeting their location numbers.
didip超过 2 年前
Isn&#x27;t Return to Office just a front to have engineers quitting by themselves instead of layoffs?
nickd2001大约 2 年前
Hello Peter... what&#x27;s happening? Yeah.. I&#x27;m also gonna need you to go ahead and RTO on Sunday, too, m&#x27;kay? If you could go ahead and do that from now on, that&#x27;d be great..
sidcool超过 2 年前
Please Andy. Listen to your Devs. Make it 1 day mandatory at worst.
brianjking超过 2 年前
Good, anyone that requires me to go to an office for something that I can do as effectively or more effectively from home should not be able to have a job.
xt00超过 2 年前
If people being in the office is somehow more valuable, then pay them more than remote workers and see what fraction want to be remote vs non remote. Capitalist solution to the problem for all the hardcore “let the market find the solution”.
victor9000超过 2 年前
You can RTO all you want, your top talent will just find the benefits they value with a different employer.
npalli超过 2 年前
Amazon has over 1.4 Million employees. Looking at this article, 14,000 joined a slack channel to complain. So only about 1% is pushing Andy Jassy about this. Should we assume the remainder (~99%) is OK? If so, this is yet another instance of a small group of people strategically using regular&#x2F;social media to amplify a minority position which the majority doesn&#x27;t support.
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gavin_gee超过 2 年前
Andy likes people in the office. For team based creation its critical for productivity - sorry but its true. But Alas I fear that this is also an HR tactic to lay off people without paying severance.<p>Whats missing from the current media narrative is the deals done per manager. Nothing is really ever &quot;company wide&quot;. people worked from home before covid. based on manager discretion
ironfootnz超过 2 年前
Rumors are those are now under PIP
betaby超过 2 年前
I mean, according levels.fyi AMZ pays 400K+ total compensation. I don&#x27;t think that would be too hard to fill up the office with the willing office.
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