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So, you’ve been challenged to a duel. What are the rules? (2016)

134 点作者 SerCe大约 2 年前

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mytailorisrich大约 2 年前
On the subject, the last recorded duel in France took place as late as 1967 and between two sitting MPs&#x2F;Representatives because of an insult uttered in the Chamber.<p>Article in French with a picture of the duel, fought with swords: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lemonde.fr&#x2F;m-moyen-format&#x2F;article&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;il-y-a-cinquante-ans-le-dernier-duel-de-france_5114729_4497271.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lemonde.fr&#x2F;m-moyen-format&#x2F;article&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;il-...</a><p>&quot;<i>le facétieux Defferre ne manquait pas de rappeler qu’il avait visé l’entrejambe de son adversaire pour lui gâcher sa nuit de noces, celui-ci se mariant le lendemain.</i>&quot;<p>Essentially: &quot;<i>I aimed between his legs to spoil his wedding night</i>&quot;, as one of the MPs was due to wed the day after the duel.
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nerdponx大约 2 年前
This was written in 1847, well after dueling had fallen out of fashion, and well after the USA had begun to develop its own distinctly American cultural identity. So it sounds like this was meant to be a &quot;fun lighthearted history&quot; book, rather than a documentation of how people actually behaved in the 1840s. Not unlike my favorite bathroom reader of all time, <i>The Strange Laws Of Old England</i>.
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rippercushions大约 2 年前
Duelling with swords lives on in Germany, albeit in a very ritualistic, controlled fashion:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;travel.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;69224&#x2F;how-can-a-tourist-obtain-an-authentic-duelling-scar" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;travel.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;69224&#x2F;how-can-a-t...</a>
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JoeAltmaier大约 2 年前
Old Norse dueling, the Holmgang, was outlawed when griefers turned it into a cynical thing, challenging weaker neighbors over trivia so they could kill them and take their land, legally.
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arealaccount大约 2 年前
People say politics are out of hand these days but man things were wild in 1904.<p>Dueling aside…<p>&gt; Discredited by the duel with Hamilton, Burr sought to regain political power by a filibustering adventure, which led instead to his indictment for treason<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.loc.gov&#x2F;item&#x2F;today-in-history&#x2F;july-11&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.loc.gov&#x2F;item&#x2F;today-in-history&#x2F;july-11&#x2F;</a>
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LeonB大约 2 年前
The musical Hamilton (spoiler alert) involves several Duels, and the rules are introduced with a quite formal explanation. (It’s a nicely choreographed piece of exposition).<p>In the musical the first step to having a Duel is to go across the river to Jersey, as it’s legal there (“everything is legal in Jersey”)<p>Another interesting part is that a doctor attends, and turns his back during the duel itself, in order to provide plausible deniability.
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eternalban大约 2 年前
One of Ridley Scott&#x27;s first (but relatively obscure) films was &quot;The Duelists&quot;. This is a fairly unique film. Apparently a cinematic response to Kubrick&#x27;s <i>Barry Lyndon</i>. It has a lot of future famous actors, and all the drama and manners around dueling in Napoleonic France.<p><i>The Duelists</i>, 1977<p><i>France, 1801. Due to a minor perceived slight, mild-mannered Lieutenant d&#x27;Hubert is forced into a duel with hot-headed irrational Lieutenant Feraud. The disagreement ultimately results in scores of duels spanning several years.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0075968&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0075968&#x2F;</a>
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jackcviers3大约 2 年前
I live in Iowa. Apparently it&#x27;s still legal here:<p>&gt; In 2010 in the case of the State of Iowa vs Christopher Spates, the Supreme Court judge Justice Ternus states that Iowa only considers the mutual combat law if two combatants agree to the use of deadly weapons, so you can see how different the law varies from state to state.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;law.justia.com&#x2F;cases&#x2F;iowa&#x2F;supreme-court&#x2F;2010&#x2F;05-0883.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;law.justia.com&#x2F;cases&#x2F;iowa&#x2F;supreme-court&#x2F;2010&#x2F;05-0883...</a><p>I wonder if the state would actually adhere to that judgement again.<p>Mutual combat laws apparently exist in many U.S. states - Texas, unsurprisingly, is one of them too.
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dannyobrien大约 2 年前
Of course, hackers have their own dueling rules: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noisebridge.net&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Code_Arduino" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noisebridge.net&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Code_Arduino</a>
litoE大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s the story that when Abe Lincoln was challenged to a duel, he responded with his choice of weapons: cow dung at 10 paces. Needless to say, the duel never took place.
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dukeofdoom大约 2 年前
Reminds me when Saddam Hussain challenged George Bush to a Duel as an alternative to war. Was turned down.
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ubermonkey大约 2 年前
I&#x27;d probably start with a rewatch of <i>Hamilton</i>:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ten_Duel_Commandments" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ten_Duel_Commandments</a>
motohagiography大约 2 年前
Code Duello is a pretty ancient concept: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Code_duello" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Code_duello</a><p>While duels have been outlawed, I don&#x27;t think we have really replaced the necessary role they play in managing disputes and incentivising a self organizing social correction in a way that rewards virtue and has consequences for dishonesty.<p>Ironically, the main thing that maintained social order in small groups up until recently was humor. It wasn&#x27;t mere cutting remarks either, it&#x27;s a subtle understanding of power dynamics in a group that lets humor equalize and revert to shared values. The unspoken rules of humor were pretty close to those of Code Duello, particularly regarding punching down, and accepting when you had been beaten - then moving on once order was re-established.<p>Duels provided a similar reversion to a shared understanding of order and values. These rules are still around in an implied way, where boys involved in sports or group activities tend to learn a variation of them, and someone who fights without an understanding or respect for them is considered just a criminal and not trustworthy, tough, or masculine.
fermigier大约 2 年前
Why do I keep hearing Händel&#x27;s sarabande in my head while reading the post?
AlbertCory大约 2 年前
In the Patrick O&#x27;Brian Aubrey &#x2F; Maturin books, dueling is a frequent subject. Stephen Maturin is said to have &quot;been out&quot; many times, and a deadly accurate shot.
jaza大约 2 年前
First step is for the combatants to agree on whether they do their killin&#x27; before or after breakfast.
KappaFromHell大约 2 年前
Funnily enough, I was challenged to a formal duel when I last visited Paris in 2020
forinti大约 2 年前
Uruguay had duels up to 1971, and they were only abolished in 1992.
liotier大约 2 年前
Let&#x27;s fight first - we&#x27;ll figure out the rules later !
giantg2大约 2 年前
It would be interesting if they made this legal again. Maybe there&#x27;d be less people caught up in gang shootings etc if you had them dual it out in a controlled space... assuming they aren&#x27;t cowards.
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