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For Chat-Based AI, We Are All Once Again Tech Companies’ Guinea Pigs

58 点作者 gibsonf1超过 2 年前

19 条评论

karaterobot超过 2 年前
Seriously, someone should stop OpenAI from hijacking people's browsers to make them go to ChatGPT. And I also agree that it's evil of Microsoft to leverage its wildly popular Bing and Edge platforms — which we were already all totally using — and insert this malicious AI into it. And all without any repeated, near-constant warning that this is a beta project that should not be trusted. This was forced on us, and not something that went virally popular and got people excited to try it.
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verteu超过 2 年前
The risks of &quot;AI harm&quot; seem overblown to me. The negative examples in the news (eg Sydney) look more like PR problems than societal risks. While improved LLMs will aid bad actors in spam&#x2F;astroturfing, there&#x27;s almost nothing we can do about it -- gatekeeping the models helps a little, but they seem to be reverse-engineered in &lt;1 year regardless.<p>I can&#x27;t help but wonder who&#x27;s pushing this &quot;AI safety&quot; narrative, and why.
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jillesvangurp超过 2 年前
What a load of alarmist nonsense. Who is the royal &quot;we&quot; in this article&#x27;s title? Clueless Wall Street Journal reading &quot;victims&quot;? Or just curious people that signed up for this. I believe it&#x27;s the latter.<p>If you don&#x27;t want it, don&#x27;t sign up for it, or opt in. Refrain from using it. Very simple.
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elicash超过 2 年前
People aren&#x27;t worried about hurting themselves with AI, they&#x27;re expressing that other people are too dumb or irresponsible to use it properly.<p>I&#x27;m less sympathetic to this concern. Not totally dismissive. I think some of the restrictions are fair for a company running a business. If you want to sell to other companies, make sure your bots don&#x27;t use racial slurs, for example. But I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s an ethical issue.
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epups超过 2 年前
&gt; Eliminating made-up information and bias from chat-based search engines is impossible given the current state of the technology, says Mark Riedl, a professor at Georgia Institute of Technology who studies artificial intelligence. He believes the release of these technologies to the public by Microsoft and OpenAI is premature. “We are putting out products that are still being actively researched at this moment,” he adds.<p>As far as I can tell, this is the gist of the article, which I find boring. When Google started, its main product was still being actively researched - heck, it was the result of an algorithm from two grad students. You definitely had and still have made-up and biased results there too. Yet it was an incredibly useful technology.
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rnosov超过 2 年前
What strikes me the most about ChatGPT is how convincing it is at justifying patent nonsense. For example, I&#x27;ve noticed it has some strange obsession with sunscreen. Even for absurd questions such as &quot;Should I wear sunscreen on the North Pole in December?&quot; it still makes up a plausible list of reasons in favour of wearing sunscreen.
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skilled超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;W3qCe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;W3qCe</a>
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ravenstine超过 2 年前
I have my concerns about how AI will affect humanity, but there&#x27;s something else on the other end of that spectrum that&#x27;s been on my mind.<p>Effectively, we&#x27;ve implemented the ship&#x27;s computer from Star Trek TNG. While there&#x27;s enough enthusiasm that average people are playing with ChatGPT, it seems that the &quot;glass half empty&quot; attitude is far outweighing the perspective that we&#x27;ve achieved something that was once complete fantasy in our lifetimes. Nobody I know, including those with greater ML&#x2F;AI knowledge than mine, is in as much awe as I am. Current generation LLMs are something we&#x27;re already taking for granted as a cool toy, or we&#x27;re concluding it&#x27;s crap because it doesn&#x27;t have a God-like grasp on facts, or we&#x27;re waiting for it to become Skynet.<p>Given the overall response we&#x27;re having to this technology, I can&#x27;t help but conclude that society is overdue for being put in its place, and perhaps it even needs to be knocked down a peg. The real problem with AI may not be so much the technology itself but that we&#x27;re not deserving or truly ready for it.
gibsonf1超过 2 年前
The key issue I think is the lie that this system is intelligent in any way, it simply isn&#x27;t. And if people approach it that way, that it&#x27;s just statistically fabricating word text patterns from massive input word text, it will remove the dangers mentioned and enable people to know that its not expressing thoughts as people do with words, but just outputting words that may or may not have any correspondence with the truth. That OpenAI and others claim it has intelligence, when it clearly does not, will make for interesting legal liabilities going forward if people experience any harm with the system and decide to take legal action. (Also true for autonomous driving which uses the same ml&#x2F;dl tech) Ml&#x2F;dl can be very helpful and factual as artificial perception when the input is directly from space-time and give factual measurements as input to conceptual awareness, but perception alone does not intelligence make.
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ChatGTP超过 2 年前
<i>Microsoft has invested billions of dollars in OpenAI, the company whose technology is behind that new Bing and which spurred the current AI hubbub with its own wildly popular ChatGPT bot and Dall-E 2 image generator.</i><p>This is what concerns me, if this thing doesn&#x27;t turn out to be great for society, it will still be pushed down peoples throats because a ROI needs to be made, a lot of money is at stake and so here we are.<p>Hopefully it goes ok.
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braindead_in超过 2 年前
I was expecting a call for regulation towards the end. OpenAI has to be very careful about the narrative. They have moved first and stated that in the hands of an autocratic regime, it can be a dangerous tool.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openai.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;planning-for-agi-and-beyond&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openai.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;planning-for-agi-and-beyond&#x2F;</a>
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simonster超过 2 年前
In modern society, we prioritize the ease of bringing new products to market over regulation and testing. The only industry we prospectively regulate for safety is the pharmaceutical industry. Otherwise, regulation is retrospective and slow.<p>Look at the way we regulate harmful chemicals. After studies find that chemicals found in consumer products are harmful, manufacturers spend several years redesigning their products to avoid them. After manufacturers have voluntarily redesigned their products, the chemicals are banned. The manufacturers often replace the harmful chemicals with structurally similar chemicals that have not yet been shown to be harmful. When those similar chemicals are shown to be harmful, the cycle repeats. This is the history of phthalates, which are used to soften PVC plastic. The CPSC first considered banning one phthalate (DEHP) in children&#x27;s toys the 1980s. Before that happened, all large manufacturers replaced it by another phthalate (DINP), which also turned out to be harmful. Both DEHP and DINP were finally banned by congressional action in 2008.<p>Technology is not a chemical, but anything that people will be spending significant time interacting with is likely to have <i>some</i> effect on their wellbeing, potentially small but potentially large, potentially positive but potentially negative. The type of harms these chatbots might cause are difficult to predict in advance. It could take a couple years to determine whether the current generation of chatbots are actually a net positive or negative for society. In that time, they may become too entrenched for us to do anything if they do turn out to be harmful. When Facebook first came out, I doubt many people foresaw the negative impact that it could have on teenagers. Today, many studies show that social media use has a negative impact on kids&#x27; wellbeing, but there is no going back to a pre-social media world.<p>Prospectively testing and regulating tech in the same way we regulate pharma seems insane. OTOH, we do want to make sure that world-changing tech actually changes the world for the better, and the only obvious way to do this is through <i>some kind</i> of regulation. Although regulation will undoubtedly slow growth, many of us would be happy to sacrifice some growth for improved wellbeing. At this point, everyone has seen the productivity-pay gap plot showing that most of the improvement in US productivity since 1979 has not translated into increases in real wages. Our current &quot;growth at almost any cost&quot; strategy benefits corporations much more than it benefits the average person.
flangola7超过 2 年前
Tech companies really should be required to submit their mass sociology experiments to an IRB.
catchnear4321超过 2 年前
Always have been. (This case is just more conspicuous.)
mistrial9超过 2 年前
&quot;we&quot; ?! appeal to populism, from the trade journal of top hats and Pinkertons. knee-jerk disdain aside..<p>Even the lofty towers of Finance and their close companions Legal, are feeling the hot breath of AI creatures it seems. They are right to be alarmed, for it is within their own ranks that the most unexpected and treacherous uses of this tech will occur.<p>Sure, some salesman in San Francisco claims that he can sell ads to a Billion South Asians, but &quot;we&quot; all know that it is in the inches of legal documents, and public fiduciary statements, that things will get really messy, really quickly.<p>Bye bye venture capitalist club -- you were raging tigers and you will tear yourselves into bloody bits in front of everyone.
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flandish超过 2 年前
Well yeah. If it’s free, you’re the product.<p>Socialize the research and the risk, privatize the profit and future.
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ThrowawayTestr超过 2 年前
&quot;for horseless-carriages, we are all once again tech companies&#x27; guinea pigs&quot;
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melling超过 2 年前
Sounds good. Let’s get the technology over the finish line.<p>The future is behind schedule.
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ergonaught超过 2 年前
Companies wouldn&#x27;t ship prematurely and broken if consumers&#x2F;customers cared enough to stop using them. Scale, network effects, etc, have all come together to ensure that this essentially never occurs. Worse, really, people will passionately and irrationally defend garbage.<p>The &quot;first mover advantage&quot; and such is a reality created by consumer&#x2F;customer behavior, not by &quot;tech&quot; companies using the world as a pool of beta testers.
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