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The rise of self-hosted apps

73 点作者 chromakode大约 2 年前

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brundolf大约 2 年前
This sort of hand-waves the core issue we&#x27;ve always had, which is that it&#x27;s too error-prone and annoying to set up self-hosting. That, and that alone, is why it&#x27;s still only done by enthusiasts, no matter how much technologists would like it to be otherwise.<p>Until it&#x27;s as easy (and cheap!) to self-host as it is to sign up for an account, self-hosting will remain a niche.
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api大约 2 年前
I run some of these but I don’t think it will take off in the mainstream unless we can get the process of setup and administration out of the 1970s.<p>It needs to be like installing apps on a phone with seamless auto update. Running Proxmox or Docker or even one of those self hosting oriented distributions is too complex for most people to bother with. As soon as you say “install this distribution on your server” you have lost most people.<p>It’s not just lack of technical skill. Even most people who are perfectly able just don’t have time to hassle with it.
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CharlesW大约 2 年前
&gt; <i>However, let’s be real:</i> the biggest thing holding self-hosted apps back is they’re still too difficult to install.<p>And run reliably. And secure. And admin&#x2F;maintain.
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Havoc大约 2 年前
The frontend is arguably the one part of selfhosting that is solved. Most people can use web interfaces. Everything else, not so much. Stray even an inch off the technical happy path and it&#x27;s rabbit holes and foot guns as far as the eye can see.<p>CasaOS seems to be getting closer to concealing some of it (essentially an OS that is a giant app store for all the usual selfhosting suspects).
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EntrePrescott大约 2 年前
While I agree that self-hosted PWA will have _some_ success (especially for easier use cases) and that cloud services are worse for the user than a local app in use cases suitable for the latter… it seems like a big load of wishful thinking to believe that PWA would replace cloud services in any significant way:<p>The truth is that we already had and have local apps that worked fine for the user (that is: native local apps, including cross-platform) and that despite that, cloud services gained terrain on them enormously. The main reason being that cloud services offer enormous benefits to the selling&#x2F;operating company: the revenue is more calculable and less prone to the piracy issues of local software. The proportion of users who have enough awareness to recognize the problems of cloud services are a minority.<p>And the only thing that self-hosted PWAs really add compared to the classic native local apps, compared to which they have a lot of disadvantages, is that their development has a somewhat lower learning curve compared to cross-platform native software development (though the latter isn&#x27;t that hard either and the reasons why many native apps were not cross-platform have nothing to do with technical problems in most cases).<p>As for the way the article pits &quot;communities&quot; against &quot;big tech&quot;: I see that more as a matter of open source and open data communities… for which local PWAs really aren&#x27;t that much of a big game changer as the article imagines.
blkhp19大约 2 年前
&gt; A common critique is that web apps yield clunky user experiences. This will be debated endlessly in developer circles, but native feeling UI is not necessary for mass adoption; the bar is “good enough”.<p>Classic - love when engineers settle for &quot;good enough.&quot; A good reminder that the average person has bad taste and takes very little pride in the end-user-UX.