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World Building with GPT

236 点作者 JohnHammersley大约 2 年前

14 条评论

poisonborz大约 2 年前
&gt; Every building is grand. Every character is loyal and helpful. Every character is competent, respected, and wise.<p>&gt; If you ask very explicitly for flaws you can get some. It’s very hard to get a truly despicable character.<p>This reminds me of one interesting tidbit in recently canceled Dilbert author Scott Adams&#x27;s racist rant of a podcast.<p>Said something along the lines that it&#x27;s absolutely irrelevant what kind of AI we can craft, nobody will want it. The state and industry wouldn&#x27;t allow most of what such an AI would say or do. Extrapolating from this: crafting and training the AI is the &quot;easy part&quot;, an even more complex task is to restrict the output in the end: make it dumb, simple, tailored and censored to the imagined end user, and profitable for the creator.
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seu大约 2 年前
In my writing, I find world-building to be a very enjoyable activity and would not delegate it to a bot just because of that. I would also like to say that employing ChatGPT or similar tools for this task would make all worlds feel the same, but the sad truth is that most amateur and hobbyist writers&#x27; world-building feel kind of the same anyway. :(
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williamcotton大约 2 年前
<i>But when it gets on a roll producing normal&#x2F;boring things, it will fill out the list with normal&#x2F;boring things.</i><p>With these kinds of repetitive tasks I find that the chatbot interface is not the best and that using an API is much better.<p>The chatbot approach is constantly feeding the history of the “conversation” back to the LLM. However, if you are asking for a fresh completion every time but with a number of few-shot examples of the output you can get much more reliable outputs.<p>This applies to the data formatting examples as well. If enough examples are provided in the prompt it tends to lock into the pattern very well.
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throwawayffffas大约 2 年前
I skimmed the article and really enjoyed it. I admire the authors effort and will come back to read it in full soon.<p>I have spent a lot less effort on a similar endeavor before deeming GPT inappropriate for this purpose, with similar takeaways as the ones noted in &quot;What doesn&#x27;t work&quot;<p>I think the reason behind these shortcomings is because of the nature of GPT.<p>It&#x27;s designed to predict the most likely words to come after the prompt and as such it&#x27;s very prone to fall in cliches, stereotypes and tropes.<p>I think the next iteration algorithm is going to feel less like generated content but will still maintain a hack writer feel.<p>I would wager the author could get better results with a system where the substance of the content is generated through another process, possibly something like dwarf fortresses world and lore generation, and having a GPT layer that would put that content in more creative prose.
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vintermann大约 2 年前
The hard part of world building is not contradicting yourself too much. Right now, &quot;remember all the little details and their implications&quot; seems like it would be challenging for language models.
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resiros大约 2 年前
Shameless plug here for those (like the author) who are using GPT in your projects and finding the costs to be too high.<p>We&#x27;re building an open source wrapper around ChatGPT that lets you use it programmatically as an API or from Python or in CLI. Best of all, it&#x27;s completely free! So it is great for testing the waters on a hobby project.<p>Check it out on GitHub: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mmabrouk&#x2F;chatgpt-wrapper">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mmabrouk&#x2F;chatgpt-wrapper</a><p>p.s. Just to answer all the comments below. OpenAI currently does not provide an API to ChatGPT. Our goal is not to abuse ChatGPT, but to provide tools for hobbiest to leverage it (by creating a power shell around it, making workflows around it, even using templates...) until an official API is available. As soon as an official API is available, we would integrate it in our CLI. In any case, chatGPT has hard query limits that would not allow you to use our project for any heavy lifting!
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r3trohack3r大约 2 年前
I was playing around with content rewriting using the GPT models and ended up with this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;persona.ink" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;persona.ink</a><p>Once you’ve got characters in your world, the GPT models are pretty good at taking any arbitrary statement and rewriting it as if that character had said it. You can add in extra guidance too like having that character summarize it.<p>I don’t think it’s quite “one-shot” - it’s often an iterative process of copying out the bits you like and meshing them with your own writing. But I’ve found it’s pretty good to get the creative juices flowing.
isaacfrond大约 2 年前
Here is the result: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;llm.ianbicking.org&#x2F;citymaker&#x2F;?name=builtin_talamora" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;llm.ianbicking.org&#x2F;citymaker&#x2F;?name=builtin_talamora</a>
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Garlef大约 2 年前
Regarding the cost:<p>I think in a practical application (i.e. a game), it might be feasible to &quot;lazy load&quot; the world. If I remember correctly, watchdogs 2 does something like this.<p>Need a new character? Just create it on the fly.<p>You&#x27;d have make be sure to create all the necessary background structures as neighborhood, family ties, etc as well. Or at least mark make sure you don&#x27;t introduce (glaring) inconsistencies.
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k_eshav大约 2 年前
I would love to see this potential being used in games to procedurely generate unique experiences in for every player. I really can&#x27;t wait for a proper AAA implementation.
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nerdchum大约 2 年前
I would love to have conversations with NPCs be run by chat GPT. Train them on the lore of the world somehow and converse with the NPC.
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dncornholio大约 2 年前
Am I the only one who finds these kinds of &#x27;discoveries&#x27; about ChatGPT incredibly boring? Think what you could have made yourself in the time it took to create good &#x27;prompts&#x27;. There&#x27;s no skill involved here in my opinion.
EZ-Cheeze大约 2 年前
Imagine when ChatGPT lets us cross-reference all our chats so far. I have hundreds in my history and it would be amazing for it to recall them all when I am querying it accordingly.<p>How are you all exporting your chats in the meantime?
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localplume大约 2 年前
Awesome. It&#x27;d be pretty cool to generate maps with a certain style from descriptions of areas&#x2F;towns&#x2F;etc like this. A big problem would be the lack of consistency in the internal model though, which is a really persistent problem with chatGPT&#x2F;others like it.