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Pentagon looking to make sure SpaceX doesn’t abandon them in war

129 点作者 campuscodi大约 2 年前

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dotnet00大约 2 年前
This issue has been such a mess, demonstrating how low reporting standards have dropped. For starters, the only thing Ukraine has been prevented from using Starlink for is as a guidance system for drones.<p>On top of that, SpaceX asked for the government to fund Ukraine&#x27;s use of Starlink, and if they were so worried about its importance, they should&#x27;ve just done that. It seems more than a little absurd to argue that SpaceX - unlike literally every other defense contractor - should both be footing most of the bill for the service and should have no say over how the service is then used.<p>Then, adding on to that, there&#x27;s a huge difference in terms of regulations between a US company essentially supplying long range guidance systems (and ongoing services which enable those systems) of its own volition to a foreign nation involved in a war and a US company contracted by the DoD to supply the same. This should especially considered in the context that the US has been extremely careful in limiting the range of the weapons it has supplied to Ukraine (with exactly the same reasoning SpaceX has used of not wanting to enable an escalation in the conflict), while Starlink is able to handle guidance well beyond that.<p>This idiotic senator might as well be asking how they can trust ULA to keep launching satellites for the DoD when they won&#x27;t unconditionally launch Rwanda&#x27;s 300k satellite megaconstellation for free.
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modeless大约 2 年前
My understanding from news reports a few months ago is that SpaceX literally asked the DoD to fund Ukraine&#x27;s ongoing use of Starlink for war and they refused to cover it. I don&#x27;t know what the reasons were, but I&#x27;ll bet SpaceX would let Ukraine do whatever it wants if the DoD was paying for it.
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wazer5大约 2 年前
Common sense and circumstantial evidence suggests Elon was planning major DoD support including global missile defense as early as 2001.<p>- SpaceX first contract was DARPA Falcon Project (part of Prompt Global Strike). Possibly even where the Falcon name came from. (mentioned in parent article)<p>- SpaceX founding contracts with NASA were awarded by Elon&#x27;s friend Michael D. Griffin <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Michael_D._Griffin#Career" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Michael_D._Griffin#Career</a> who architected global missile defense and designed space-space interceptors for SDI. His NASA COTS program was an unprecedented award and given to SpaceX before they had even flown a rocket. He also awarded CRS to SpaceX just before leaving office. This constituted 85% of all SpaceX funding (remaining 15% was Elon and a few investors). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SpaceX#2005%E2%80%932009:_Falcon_1_and_first_orbital_launches" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SpaceX#2005%E2%80%932009:_Falcon_...</a> Griffin was so important to Elon that it is rumored he named his first son after him (Griffin Musk).<p>- Griffin went on in 2019 to start the Space Development Agency where he advocated for global satellite constellations of sensors and space weapons. First contracts were given to SpaceX after Starlink seemed viable. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Starlink#Military_capabilities" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Starlink#Military_capabilities</a><p>Lately it&#x27;s unclear if Elon is still supportive of said programs as fervently as he did in the early days. He&#x27;s still hiring for Starshield..
xiphias2大约 2 年前
,,Dickinson said that the Pentagon needs to make sure that all sides understand their legal obligations and have a full understanding of the military’s expectations before those moments occur.&#x27;&#x27;<p>I&#x27;m not an American, but as far as I know US is not in war with Russia. Executives are smart enough to know that whenever US gets into war SpaceX will have to take part in it (and get compensated in contracts).
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neom大约 2 年前
This seems somewhat moot given in a time of war, the president can just use the Defense Production Act?<p>&quot;The Act currently contains three major sections. The first authorizes the president to require businesses to accept and prioritize contracts for materials deemed necessary for national defense, regardless of a loss incurred on business.<p>The second section authorizes the president to establish mechanisms (such as regulations, orders or agencies) to allocate materials, services and facilities to promote national defense.<p>The third section authorizes the president to control the civilian economy so that scarce and critical materials necessary to the national defense effort are available for defense needs.&quot;
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eecc大约 2 年前
My take is: Starlink just reminded Pentagon they’re a mostly civilian operator, and they’re not ready to defend from direct cyber warfare, it without investment and someone to pay for that. Which is reasonable, IMHO
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unnouinceput大约 2 年前
This is a non-issue. In times of war government can simply nationalize the company. They did it in 1st war world with rails companies (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Railway_nationalization" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Railway_nationalization</a>) and that was a harsh lesson for those companies when 2nd war world came around - they got their act together so no such act was necessary anymore.<p>Pretty sure if SpaceX does not fully complies with government demands in times of war, it will suddenly be a subsidiary of NASA.
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unethical_ban大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t like musk for a number of reasons, but did he sign any legal contract with any entity regarding starlink services to Ukraine?
photonbeam大约 2 年前
There’s no way DOD can have Musk as the CEO of Starlink, he’s not predictable enough
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mnd999大约 2 年前
In a war the DoD could just take control of the satellites. If enough men with guns then up at Starlink HQ what is Elon going to do?
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Kukumber大约 2 年前
What do they mean<p>It&#x27;s similar to FBI &quot;buying people data&quot; they can already access for free<p>SpaceX is a US Defense program<p>Similar to how Google got funded<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1145669&#x2F;googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1145669&#x2F;googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...</a>
falcolas大约 2 年前
&gt; Pentagon Looking to Make Sure SpaceX Doesn’t Abandon Them in War <i>Again</i><p>SpaceX having morals and not wanting to support one side or another in war is fine by me. But they should have stopped well before selling a ton of gear to the Ukraine (some of which was on the US Government&#x27;s dime) and then shutting it all down after the checks had been cashed.
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