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South Korea to build world’s largest chip center in Seoul with $230B investment

234 点作者 rayval大约 2 年前

12 条评论

lifthrasiir大约 2 年前
According to Money Today [1] the chip center is actually to be located in Yongin, Gyeonggi-do---about a hour away from the center of Seoul. Samsung is the primary investor to this center and will invest 300 trillion won (that&#x27;s probably where $230B came frome) over next 20 years.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.mt.co.kr&#x2F;mtview.php?no=2023031511112875044" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.mt.co.kr&#x2F;mtview.php?no=2023031511112875044</a>
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bobthepanda大约 2 年前
It is crazy to me, that this investment will be all in Seoul.<p>It is not very hard to make the case that Seoul is overly concentrated for both politics and the economy at the expense of other areas of South Korea. And as far as security balwark goes, Seoul is only 40km from the DMZ.
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eggy大约 2 年前
So that&#x27;s about 2.3x more money in 20 years than the U.S. plans to spend on the plant in Ohio that will supposedly create 50,000 jobs.<p>The minimum wage is $10.10 in Ohio vs. $7.28 with the latest increase in South Korea for 2023. That&#x27;s almost 1.5x more wages for workers in Ohio.<p>And I wouldn&#x27;t say we had the edge on chip manufacturing vs. S. Korea, so given the numbers above, how can the U.S. compete? What chips are we making vs. what is intended to be made in S. Korea?
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neom大约 2 年前
Much better article (in English): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.koreatimes.co.kr&#x2F;www&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;419_347185.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.koreatimes.co.kr&#x2F;www&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;419_347185.htm...</a>
optimalsolver大约 2 年前
With a cratering population, who exactly is going to be working at that chip center?
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plouffy大约 2 年前
Surely that number is a misprint ? Or represents an investment over a very long time horizon. 300 trillion won represents 50% of their annual budget. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2022-12-24&#x2F;south-korea-s-parliament-approves-conservative-2023-budget" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2022-12-24&#x2F;south-kor...</a>
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throwoutway大约 2 年前
For comparison, South Korea government&#x27;s budget (that was just approved a few months ago) was $498.89 billion USD. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;southkorea-economy-budget&#x2F;south-koreas-parliament-passes-2023-budget-bill-idUSL4N33D2J0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;southkorea-economy-budget&#x2F;so...</a>
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ar9av大约 2 年前
There is a difference between creating a wafer with more chips on it than scaling up production of said wafers to be profitable. Think of it like producing cars. Many people can make cars, and on a small production scale. It&#x27;s an entirely different ballgame for mass production.
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yucky大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s clear that the entire world has come to terms with the fact that it&#x27;s not a matter of if Taiwan will be absorbed in to China, but when.
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newaccount2023大约 2 年前
we are well on our way to a mega-bust in chip fab investment<p>even if all the fabs are actually built to completion, all you get is the value of ICs plummeting
igravious大约 2 年前
“The concentration of so much crucial chip manufacturing in just two places has caused concerns over global supply chain stability especially as South Korea and Taiwan are both militarily threatened by neighbors, North Korea and China respectively.”<p>Always with the Western bias.<p>If anything, given that there are U.S. troops in South Korea 10,000km and across an ocean from the U.S. mainland who is militarily threatening who? Long term Korea will be reunited, one hopes without conflict.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Korean_conflict" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Korean_conflict</a><p>“The Korean conflict is an ongoing conflict based on the division of Korea between North Korea (Democratic People&#x27;s Republic of Korea) and South Korea (Republic of Korea), <i>both of which claim to be the sole legitimate government of all of Korea</i>. During the Cold War, North Korea was backed by the Soviet Union, China, and other allies, while South Korea was backed by the United States, United Kingdom, and other Western allies.<p>The division of Korea by the United States and the Soviet Union occurred in 1945. […] The U.S. maintains a military presence in the South to assist South Korea in accordance with the ROK–U.S. Mutual Defense Treaty. In 1997, U.S. President Bill Clinton described the division of Korea as the &quot;Cold War&#x27;s last divide&quot;.”<p>As for Taiwan the cornerstone of U.S.–China relations is the one-China policy, a policy which officially states that the China–Taiwan problem is an internal Chinese problem – whatever <i>you</i> think about the status of the tensions between the mainland and the island is irrelevant, I&#x27;m talking about official U.S. foreign policy<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shanghai_Communiqu%C3%A9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shanghai_Communiqu%C3%A9</a><p>“The United States formally acknowledged that &quot;all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China&quot;.”<p>As such the U.S. is violating this policy by having troops stationed in Taiwan, by expanding that troop presence, and by the constant shuttling back-and-forth of high level politicians.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;aug&#x2F;07&#x2F;nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china-visit-military" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;aug&#x2F;07&#x2F;nancy-pelosi...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;u-s-to-expand-troop-presence-in-taiwan-for-training-against-china-threat-62198a83" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;u-s-to-expand-troop-presence-in...</a><p>Both North Korea and China have recently warned the U.S. about this behavior of stoking tension far far from its border.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;north-korea-us-military-drills-missile-tests-f7ca4b6a19e4aecf2205950ced0e00db" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;north-korea-us-military-drills-mi...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;china-congress-2023-qin-us-1938a701c0d7a2114a18226962de4879" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;china-congress-2023-qin-us-1938a7...</a><p>===<p>My point is. Why does CNN insist on this throwaway paragraph when we all know that there are (at least) two sides to every conflict (if there weren&#x27;t by definition we wouldn&#x27;t have a conflict)? It is saddening that only the Western perspective is given. Why has mainstream establishment journalism in the West given up all pretenses to an unbiased neutral point of view?<p>The same goes for HN. I know this is a U.S.-centric site but what people say on here regarding China and Russia is myopic and jingoistic most of the time, as are the articles linked to. All you have to do is search for the terms &quot;Russia&quot; and &quot;China&quot; and sort by recent date to be confronted with comment after comment and page after page of repulsive Western chauvinism. Like it or not these are nuclear superpowers and we have to share the planet with them. The sooner the United States government <i>and</i> its people acknowledge this reality and step away from the constant brinkmanship and &quot;national security&quot; hypocrisy. The conflict in Ukraine is testament that the rest of the world has had enough of the West&#x27;s arrogance.
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toldyouso2022大约 2 年前
Taiwan was not near enough to a communist dictatorship, so of course a government will invest to make chips even closer to an even crazier communist dictatorship.<p>And sorry for being political, I guess there are many big brain reasons for this (unironically), but it&#x27;s funny
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