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OpenAI sold its soul for $1B (2021)

182 点作者 georgehill大约 2 年前

22 条评论

madamelic大约 2 年前
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lacker大约 2 年前
The name &quot;OpenAI&quot; still really bugs me. But it seems likely that turning into a for-profit corporation was critical to OpenAI&#x27;s subsequent success.<p>It let them raise enough money to pay for top-tier infrastructure. It also gave them access to stock options, to pay for recruiting a top-tier research and engineering team. I don&#x27;t think we would have GPT-4 and the OpenAI API if they hadn&#x27;t turned into a for-profit company.<p>And honestly, compare what OpenAI has done for AI research to the impact of any nonprofit. What nonprofit has done the most for AI research? Stanford? MIT? I&#x27;m not sure what the top AI achievement from any nonprofit is, in the modern era. It&#x27;s like nonprofits can do a good job of kickstarting a field (AlexNet, early PyTorch), but once enough money and attention goes into it, they have to hand the baton to for-profit companies.
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HervalFreire大约 2 年前
Makes sense. I&#x27;d sell my soul for much less, as would most of you. If they didn&#x27;t sell their soul, that would be more of a surprise.
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ccorda大约 2 年前
A few comments have noted that it&#x27;s common for non-profits own for-profits (Mozilla Foundation, college endowments, etc).<p>What seems different here is that rather than funneling profits up to the non-profit, the intent seems to be to make payouts to fellow board members and employees:<p>&gt; Only a minority of board members are allowed to hold financial stakes in the partnership at one time. Furthermore, only board members without such stakes can vote on decisions where the interests of limited partners and OpenAI Nonprofit’s mission may conflict—including any decisions about making payouts to investors and employees. [1]<p>IANAL, but has anyone seen this sort of arrangement before?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openai.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;openai-lp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openai.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;openai-lp</a>
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mrcwinn大约 2 年前
&gt; Oren Etzioni, director of the Allen Institute for AI, also received the news with skepticism. “I disagree with the notion that a nonprofit can’t compete. […] If bigger and better funded was always better, then IBM would still be number one.”<p>So, fine, I accept this story is as old as dirt: well-funded startup wants money and power; plays in a zero-sum game against other well-funded companies; sells product with lovely, benevolent marketing copy.<p>Still I find this comparison unconvincing. IBM is not number one because they lost to better-capitalized (on the right product) competitors.<p>So, precisely which non-profit unseated IBM? Which non-profit is a disruptive tech leader with a global workforce? I really want it to be true, but it needs to actually be demonstrably true.
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JohnFen大约 2 年前
Exactly this. This is when I stopped thinking of Open AI as a potentially positive force.
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dang大约 2 年前
Discussed at the time:<p><i>OpenAI Sold its Soul for $1B</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28416997" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28416997</a> - Sept 2021 (86 comments)
praveen9920大约 2 年前
It is interesting to see news about Docker ( opensource fuelling the for-profit company ) and openai ( non-profit research converted to for-profile company ) together on HN.<p>One of them has failed to capitalize on the user adoption to generate revenues and struggling, while the other one was touted as a &quot;selling their soul&quot; for making a lot of money to fuel their research ( and profits too )<p>The longevity of a company definitely depends on the money that is poured into it. Doing it in a sustainable way, without relying on regular &quot;donations&quot; ( remember Wikipedia&#x27;s campaigns ) or &quot;raising series of capital&quot; ( from VCs) is very important.<p>There must be a better business model for balancing between these without getting &quot;corrupted&quot; or &quot;evil&quot;
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ratg13大约 2 年前
The author seems to be of the opinion that AI should not be given to the general public and be kept in some sort of walled garden with tightly controlled supervised access.<p>I can&#x27;t help but wonder how much time he thinks can realistically be bought with these type of restrictions .. and also wonder if he&#x27;s changed his mind at all since this was written.
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aj7大约 2 年前
“However, not long after, they decided to share the model after finding “no strong evidence of misuse.”<p>What about mal-use?
jsnk大约 2 年前
I had forgotten that OpenAI started as a non-profit. Elon Musk gave $100 million for a non-profit cause, and even he doesn&#x27;t know how OpenAI became a for-profit company. I am not sure about the legality, but this transition seems like a unethical rug pull against the early contributors.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1636047019893481474" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1636047019893481474</a>
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visarga大约 2 年前
Their excuse is that scaling AI required scaling the money. And they realised this long ago. So they had to go commercial or give up the top spot.
standardly大约 2 年前
A rebrand to AiCorp sounds pretty dystopian
_fat_santa大约 2 年前
&gt; To summarize: The company “in charge” of protecting us from harmful AIs decided to let people use a system capable of engaging in disinformation and dangerous biases so they could pay for their costly maintenance. It doesn’t sound very “value-for-everyone” to me.<p>Ever since the AI hype started this year, one thing that&#x27;s always really bugged me is talk about &quot;safety&quot; around AI. Everyone is so worried about AI&#x27;s ability to write fake news and how &quot;dangerous&quot; that can be while forgetting that I can go on fiver, pay someone in India, China, etc. to pump me out article after article of fake news for pennies on the dollar.<p>Also I hate the talk of &quot;oh wow look how harmful the AI is, it made a naughty joke&quot;. I think of harm as being mugged, being beaten up, being shot. Harm is not some AI program telling a joke that could potentially offend someone.<p>All you end up with is an AI that is so kneecapped that it&#x27;s barely useful outside of a select number of use cases. Can&#x27;t write an article because it might be fake news, can&#x27;t write an essay because it might be an assignment, can&#x27;t solve that homework assignment because you might be cheating, I can&#x27;t ask it to tell me a joke because the joke might be offensive.
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fatjokes大约 2 年前
&quot;It&#x27;s not about money. It&#x27;s about a whole shit load of money.&quot;
cyanydeez大约 2 年前
Looking at the founders, you&#x27;re assuming it had a soul.
flangola7大约 2 年前
Open source AI development is possibly the worst idea in history. Yes, let&#x27;s just put a demon summoning circle in every household.
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yieldcrv大约 2 年前
would GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 exist right now if they didn&#x27;t?<p>I&#x27;m not one to hold up progress just so people can collect paychecks for a couple more months.
clircle大约 2 年前
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Open is closed
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IYasha大约 2 年前
They had soul??
credit_guy大约 2 年前
I would too. I&#x27;d sell my soul even for a mere $100 million. Where I firmly draw the line is $10 million. Just try and test me and you&#x27;ll see.
evo_9大约 2 年前
Terrible, right? Don’t use it!<p>Me: goes right back to using it (cause it’s priced right and I personally think they deserve every penny they earn)z
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