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Long Covid has had a brutal effect on the workforce, study finds

64 点作者 deegles大约 2 年前

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6177c40f大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t really get how people can be so quick to dismiss long covid as made up. Is it too much to just admit that you don&#x27;t have enough evidence to decide whether it&#x27;s real instead of trying to write claimants off as grifters or mentally ill?<p>Further, it&#x27;s odd that some people aren&#x27;t willing to even entertain the possibility that it could be real, given that a number of examples of post-viral syndromes have been observed in other viruses. E.g. post-Ebola virus syndrome [1] and Epstein-Barr&#x27;s role in the development of multiple sclerosis [2]. At the very least, this warrants taking claims of long COVID seriously, does it not?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Post-Ebola_virus_syndrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Post-Ebola_virus_syndrome</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;med.stanford.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;all-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;epstein-barr-virus-multiple-sclerosis.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;med.stanford.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;all-news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;epstein-barr-...</a>
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scavenger5大约 2 年前
If you look at this paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jamanetwork.com&#x2F;journals&#x2F;jamanetworkopen&#x2F;fullarticle&#x2F;2799116" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jamanetwork.com&#x2F;journals&#x2F;jamanetworkopen&#x2F;fullarticle...</a><p>People who got covid vs other viruses. When you follow up with them 3 months later, there is no difference in symptoms between the groups. In other words, long covid symptoms are no worse than any other respiratory virus.<p>So is it covid causing the symptoms, or the pandemic? All signs point to the pandemic, and the response.<p>Every other long covid study are observational, and are likely confounded. Strongly recommend looking deeper at these studies. Very few have control arms, like this study does.
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8bitsrule大约 2 年前
US National Institute of Health on Long Covid:<p>&quot;Symptoms of COVID-19 can last months — or even longer — after infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Symptoms vary from person to person and can affect almost any part of the body.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;covid19.nih.gov&#x2F;covid-19-topics&#x2F;long-covid" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;covid19.nih.gov&#x2F;covid-19-topics&#x2F;long-covid</a><p>Statement by Mayo Clinic:<p>&quot;Research suggests that between one month and one year after having COVID-19, 1 in 5 people ages 18 to 64 has at least one medical condition that might be due to COVID-19....&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mayoclinic.org&#x2F;diseases-conditions&#x2F;coronavirus&#x2F;in-depth&#x2F;coronavirus-long-term-effects&#x2F;art-20490351?p=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mayoclinic.org&#x2F;diseases-conditions&#x2F;coronavirus&#x2F;i...</a><p>Johns Hopkins:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hopkinsmedicine.org&#x2F;health&#x2F;conditions-and-diseases&#x2F;coronavirus&#x2F;covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hopkinsmedicine.org&#x2F;health&#x2F;conditions-and-diseas...</a>
thenerdhead大约 2 年前
Long Covid sucks. It has had a detrimental effect for sure. I was lucky to have it early at a young age and being physically healthy. I am now mostly recovered 2 years later. I could not imagine having it being older.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jondouglas.dev&#x2F;long-covid&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jondouglas.dev&#x2F;long-covid&#x2F;</a><p>The studies on the effectiveness of nattokinase, Bromelain + NAC, and nitric oxide are seriously worth considering if you suspect you have it. I wish I knew about those earlier.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;36080170&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;36080170&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC7999995&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC7999995&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9295384&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9295384&#x2F;</a>
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hayst4ck大约 2 年前
The general demeanor in this thread is something else, there are a lot of awfully strong opinions and confidence from a lot of people who are probably aren&#x27;t frequent readers of their field&#x27;s journals...<p>I think what should shake everyone&#x27;s biases a bit is a story about COVID and Ivermectin with one conclusion:<p>Ivermectin is actually effective in improving covid outcomes, <i>but only in areas with a high incidence of parasitic worms like India.</i><p>Here, in my opinion, is one of the best science reads to come out of COVID: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astralcodexten.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astralcodexten.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;ivermectin-much-more-t...</a>
djha-skin大约 2 年前
I have long covid.<p>I used to bike to the train so I could get to work and back again at the end of the day for a total time of being on the bike per day of over an hour. There&#x27;s a brutal hill to climb up to get to my house from the train and I did it every day.<p>1 month after getting the disease last February, I wasn&#x27;t able to bike to work anymore. I simply couldn&#x27;t get my air. I was able to bike immediately after getting over the disease, but over the course of the next month or so things got worse. I could barely get up the stairs.<p>I went to my general practitioner last March and he give me a prescription for heartburn (which had also magically become a problem when it wasn&#x27;t before) and a rescue inhaler, which helped. He told me to report back in 2 weeks if it was still a problem. It was. I reported a little later than 2 weeks; it was 6 weeks, but it doesn&#x27;t matter.<p>I live in Utah County, Utah. He told me to go up to Salt Lake, to the University of Utah hospital, 40 minutes north. They had a covid clinic up there. He got me an appointment to get up there in June. Apparently they had a backlog.<p>When I saw the nurse practitioner in Salt Lake, she said I probably had asthma and to go to a pulmonary specialist. She gave me a referral. I was able to use that referral to get another appointment with the pulmonary specialist... in December.<p>So I waited 6 months and then had an appointment in December with the pulmonologist. During that time when I would go to bed my lungs sounded like pop rocks. Snap, crackle, pop. Wheeze, wheeze, wheeze. My throat was constricted so much that you could hear a whistling sound when I breathed out and in. It was hard during the day, too. I would climb a flight of stairs and my coworkers would ask why I was out of breath and sweating like I had just run a mile.<p>The time finally came to see the specialist. He appeared to be a venerable gentleman at the end of his career, with white hair and a polished demeanor. He gave me a new inhaler, which eventually helped, and an extension of the heartburn prescription. I had new chest x-rays done and he ran a bunch of tests on me. I walked the hall a few times timed. They took my blood pressure before and after. I had to breathe into a tube really hard several times in different ways (spirography). All the tests came back normal. No asthma. He said he&#x27;s getting a lot of long covid patients where all the tests are coming back normal.<p>When I told him I had stopped biking because of covid he was incredibly surprised. &quot;Do you mean to tell me that you&#x27;ve stopped all physical activity?&quot; Said he. I said, &quot;Why do you think I&#x27;ve come here? My pulse is over 90 (100? Can&#x27;t remember) just sitting here. Look at me; I&#x27;m all sweaty.&quot; Replied he, &quot;But surely you are sweaty because you had to come up the stairs to get here.&quot; (The pulmonologist&#x27;s office was on the third floor). &quot;No&quot;, I said. &quot;I took the elevator.&quot; And for all that I owe the hospital a hefty bill because it was a specialist.<p>Well the pulmonologist recommended that I take pulmonary rehabilitation. Basically it&#x27;s physical therapy. The first time I went they said I had to start walking 6 minutes four times a day. Then I had to start walking or biking 10 minutes three times a day. I&#x27;m up to 12 minutes three times a day now, sometimes back on my bike, and it feels pretty good. So far this is what has helped the most. I don&#x27;t feel like I need the rescue inhaler anymore, I&#x27;ve stopped wheezing and pop rocking, and I notice less when I go up the stairs now.<p>But understand me when I say that people who think that long covid isn&#x27;t real are in a most enviable position. I can assure you, it&#x27;s real and it&#x27;s not fun. I remember biking yesterday and feeling so alive. Not being able to do that for so long has been really rough. You don&#x27;t know what you miss until it&#x27;s taken away from you.<p>Edit: it&#x27;s not depression, see my other comment: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35176860" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35176860</a>
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zoklet-enjoyer大约 2 年前
I work with an older guy who&#x27;s been out of work for over a month now from COVID. I&#x27;m pretty worried about him long term
tick_tock_tick大约 2 年前
&gt; &quot;More than a year after contracting the coronavirus, 18% of Long COVID patients had still not returned to work.&quot;<p>&gt; Between 1 January 2020 and 31 March 2022, the New York State Insurers Fund analysed more than 3,000 workers&#x27; compensation claims for COVID-19.<p>Hard to take this at face value; I could easily see the vast majority of these claims being grift.
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uslic001大约 2 年前
I got a DVT and a peripheral neuropathy from the first two Pfizer COVID shots so I could not get any boosters. Then I got Covid first week of 2023. I had fatigue for two months but then started taking Nattokinase which has helped my fatigue tremendously. Now I have more good days than bad days.
Madmallard大约 2 年前
Long Covid is real. If you don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s real, you&#x27;re either completely nontechnical in biology or just have been out of the loop and are regurgitating garbage you&#x27;re spreading around that makes you feel better about not being sick or something. I don&#x27;t know the reason, but it&#x27;s harmful as fuck to society regardless.<p>Whether it be astroturfing or other means originally founded by pharmaceutical companies knowing they originally did not test drugs for mitochondrial toxicity prior to Phase 1 trials, the source remains to be seen. It&#x27;s also possible they just weren&#x27;t aware of the problems before they became problems. Heterogeneous damage to cellular respiration does not generally become apparent until it&#x27;s obvious for example in really old people.<p>The fact is that people are by and large developing metabolic dysfunction earlier on, and things like antibiotics drastically accelerate the problem. Bactericidal antibiotics are widely known in research now to be seriously toxic to mitochondria and the damage they cause leads to chronic processes because mitochondria do not have effective repair mechanisms outside of copies. When they start reproducing mutated copies, the person does not get off scot-free anymore. Processed foods and air pollution and chemical exposures from foods and other things all additionally cause more dysregulation. This is all becoming way more widely known.<p>Some percentage of people will just not bounce back after these insults. Respiratory viruses and bacterial infections induce a large amount of oxidative stress in the human body, largely caused by your own immune system. Normally, your body has redox mechanisms to balance this out so you are fine in the end (otherwise running would cause a lot of problems really quickly!). But combining our toxic environment, toxic antibiotics that most people take (and many women take bactericidal antibiotics for UTIs!), high processed food diets leading to excessive baseline OS, you potentiate the risk for the individuals own mitochondrial machinery to be severely damaged from a high OS insult. After that, you don&#x27;t bounce back. You develop chronic fatigue and severe exercise intolerance, and have much more precarious relationships with other illnesses.<p>This is what&#x27;s happening. Depression other mental disorders are already strongly associated with metabolic dysregulation in research.<p>Don&#x27;t blame the victims. It&#x27;s likely you&#x27;ll become one yourself before you&#x27;re very old. Everyone is getting sicker.
throwayyy479087大约 2 年前
Long Covid is likely not a real disease, and appears to be linked to other psychosomatic illnesses like fibromyalgia.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.harvard.edu&#x2F;gazette&#x2F;story&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;depression-anxiety-may-escalate-chances-of-long-covid-says-study&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.harvard.edu&#x2F;gazette&#x2F;story&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;depression-an...</a>
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