Ask HN: Alternatives to Signal?

There are no reasonable alternatives to signal. Investing in signal despite reduction of ease-of-use in exchange for a better privacy stance is probably the best thing you can do for privacy. Messengers benefit greatly from the network effect. Every person who refuses to use other platforms is a person who brings others to the messenger.<p>Telegram is both owned by Russians and run out of an oppressive country.<p>Apple has shown a desire to scan all your stuff. Google is google.<p>Facebook&#x2F;whatsapp are obviously corrupted by corporate interests and un-trustable.<p>LINE&#x2F;Kakao&#x2F;WeChat&#x2F;etc probably aren&#x27;t much different than FB.<p>Matrix is not operationalized and they have a security&#x2F;privacy model that is a bit too complex for me. I&#x27;ll start believing there might be something to matrix once it&#x27;s referred to as element (how people use it) rather than the protocol (said affectionately: what nerds care about).<p>Signal is the lowest effort required to use app that does the right thing. Signal optimizes for low effort and that is a major competitive advantage. Signal is still the best.<p>Forcing people to use a different app for non private messaging is good from a security and privacy point of view. Expectation: Using signal is private. Reality: Using SMS through signal is not private. This change makes expectations better match reality.

I said it in a previous discussion and got downvoted and I’m saying it again, don’t trust anything for privacy if a phone number is still required as an ID&#x2F;2FA. As of alternative, there are several ones, Session, SimpleX, element, Wire among others.<p>Here’s a comparison: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;divestos.org&#x2F;pages&#x2F;messengers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;divestos.org&#x2F;pages&#x2F;messengers</a>

Do you think there is demand for such thing? Can we have some example use cases where we need as those layers and aspects of security&#x2F;privacy end to end?

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