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Half of Black High School Students in the Bay Area Can Barely Read

95 点作者 Red_Tarsius大约 2 年前

27 条评论

goodells大约 2 年前
Sometimes I check out &#x2F;r&#x2F;teachers to get an idea of what&#x27;s going on in education. The general consensus is that behavior issues are completely out of control for a variety of reasons:<p>- Shortage of dedicated special education teachers<p>- Parents who won&#x27;t discipline kids at home<p>- Top-down pushes from administration such as &quot;restorative justice&quot;, &quot;least restrictive environment&quot;, and a few other phrases that will make any classroom teacher&#x27;s skin crawl<p>- Unwillingness from administration to apply suspensions or expulsion due to how this ties to school funding<p>- Lack of flexibility in the teaching job market due to teachers being a licensed profession and most states suspending a teacher&#x27;s license if they quit mid-year, leaving apathetic teachers trapped in bad schools<p>- Attempts to discipline non-white students frequently resulting in accusations of racism, making it not worth the trouble<p>In the classroom, the end result seems to be that behavior meltdowns take up a disproportionate amount of a teacher&#x27;s attention and they aren&#x27;t empowered to deal with it, all at the expense of the quality of instruction for the rest of the students. The standardized test score metrics discussed here are a not too surprising consequence.
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blindriver大约 2 年前
California and especially San Francisco has been under decades of progressive Democratic government. The result is LA and SF are a complete mess. They can&#x27;t use the Republicans as scapegoats here.<p>SF teachers have been having a terrible time in the last 5 years because SFUSD has been run by progressive extremists that wanted to spend $2 million changing school names instead of worrying about things like Black literacy. Somehow they think changing school names are better for Black students than actually getting them to read. And meanwhile SF teachers haven&#x27;t been getting paid on time this year because of complete mess of their payroll system, which is forcing drastic action that puts the SFUSD in deeper financial trouble.<p>I would hate to see Republicans get into power here, not especially because California Republicans are dumb as rocks, but I don&#x27;t know what else will wake these California Democrats up. If Newsom has any aspirations to be president, and it certainly seems that way, I can guarantee you that running ads showing what LA and SF look like after decades of Democratic rule will destroy any chances of California Dems getting a modicum of power anywhere else in the country.
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curun1r大约 2 年前
Just a reminder that this isn&#x27;t new. When I was about to enter high school in the early 90s, Oakland was trying to end-around testing standards for black students by declaring Ebonics as a separate language so that it could classify black students under ESL standards. That blew up and they had to walk that change back, but it shows just how far back this issue goes.<p>My personal view on this is that it&#x27;s really underappreciated how self-perpetuating something like this is. I learned to read at a fairly early age and I attribute that to my mom reading to me on a nightly basis. Having someone verbalize something while you follow along just makes it so much easier to grok once you start doing it on your own. The kids referred to in this article will have parents who were the inspiration for the Ebonics idea. How many of them would have read to their kids every night?
duxup大约 2 年前
Local school district where I am has a part that is predominantly black, other part more diverse.<p>Teachers don’t want to teach at the predominantly black schools (regardless of their own race). Violence, poverty, little to no parent engagement. When they have school conferences that half of the district teachers don’t have anything to do while the other half has parents lined up in the halls.<p>And if there is parent engagement it is sometimes not positive.<p>At one point the schools were accused of not providing enough support. More recently the sentiment is that too many black kids are identified as needing special education&#x2F; support… so now they are scared to provide &#x2F; assign those services.<p>I don’t know what the solutions are. It’s complex, it’s hard.<p>There are reasons for all sorts of the individual issues, but as a whole they all feed into each other and the mountain of issues seem insurmountable.
H8crilA大约 2 年前
Putting aside the quality of schools: how is this possible in the era of smartphones? I always thought that smartphones will put the final end to illiteracy, at least because of texting.
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rickreynoldssf大约 2 年前
That&#x27;s one of the things that would happen when your school board cares more about renaming schools and hiding murals and getting rid of the one school in San Francisco that can feed into an Ivy League school (Lowell).<p>The same people that supposedly care about minorities and other &quot;disadvantaged&quot; populations are they ones who are dooming them.
silisili大约 2 年前
After reading the article, I feel like the author makes fair points at the beginning, then kinda goes sideways.<p>Says it&#x27;s likely black American cultural, parent involvement is huge, etc. Hard problems to solve.<p>But solutions such as reparations, segregated schools, and the forced hiring of kids by local companies to hire based on skin color seem way off the mark to actually achieving those goals.<p>Kids spend 7 or 8 hours a day in schools, with supposedly the goal of educating children. How can they keep failing so badly? If my job was to build houses, and I only ever built half of it adequately, with the rest in disrepair, I&#x27;d be fired. Same with about any job. Except educators, for some reason?<p>And teachers complain it&#x27;s not their fault, they don&#x27;t have the tools, they are forced to pass kids along, etc. So who&#x27;s to blame? Burn the system to the ground, fire the administrators, and let&#x27;s try again. Because finger pointing isn&#x27;t helpful.<p>We really, really need to look at our failing education systems first. Having outside resources lead to way better educational outcomes tells me that schools aren&#x27;t doing their primary objective, at all.
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diebeforei485大约 2 年前
Sounds like some of these teachers and school administrators should focus on the fundamentals like reading instead of chasing the latest trends to get themselves in the news so they can run for future political office.<p>So many politicians are former school administrators. It&#x27;s a problem.
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jobs_throwaway大约 2 年前
&gt;Moreover the idea that Black people don’t value education is absurd. My father was illiterate and was very conscious about it. He was dedicated to ensure I could read so that I wouldn’t struggle as he did. As early as Kindergarten my father made me do ‘Hooked on Phonics’ sets at grades beyond my age level. He had me read books and I had siblings to read to me at night. Thus, I never once struggled with English classes in grade school or college and breezed right through them.<p>The claim is absurd because of an anecdote that goes against the evidence?
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shuckles大约 2 年前
The educational system has been teaching an approach to reading that’s known to not work for 20+ years, and this is the consequence for populations that don’t have access to other means of instruction. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;1997&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-reading-wars&#x2F;376990&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;1997&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-rea...</a><p>The bureaucrats and tenured academics who have doubled down on this approach should be punished.
photochemsyn大约 2 年前
I&#x27;d guess class size and teacher competence are the two main institutional factors (which separate expensive private schools with ~15 kids per teacher from public schools with ~30), and enough food, sleep, parental involvement, extracurricular activites etc. with respect to the home living situation are the major factors. Individual attention makes a big difference when it comes to lifting average performance, as students falling behind can get help before it reaches the drop-out level.<p>On the &#x27;cultural expectations&#x27; front, rural white America has some similar issues to urban black America, of the &#x27;why do you want to go to college&#x27; or &#x27;being good at math is for nerds&#x27; or &#x27;take your nose out of the books and play more sports&#x27; variety.<p>My own rather jaded cynical view is that this is a setup deliberately engineered by the ruling class, as if everyone could do math well nobody would ever have bought subprime-adjustable-rate mortgage loans, as they&#x27;d have realized they&#x27;d be better off just saving money by renting until they could afford a fixed-rate loan. The ability to estimate probabilities and to calculate compound interest should be required skills for high-school graduates.<p>An ignorant population is more easily fleeced - and let&#x27;s not forget why it was a crime to teach slaves to read and write in the Old South, either. The recent attempts to lower math standards for high school students in California are probably motivated by that kind of agenda.
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BariumBlue大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t think the article ever explained WHY. It has a couple hypotheses, but I would definitely like to know what the root issue(s) are or could be. It sounds like the article writer didn&#x27;t know though. I guess there&#x27;s a need for more studies and data?
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jobs_throwaway大约 2 年前
&gt;Much media hay has been made about a report suggesting each Black resident in San Francisco receive $5 million. It’s obviously not going to be paid especially by a local government (though it ought to be federally done).<p>There it is
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10xDev大约 2 年前
Here is the thing. You can give someone all the tools, all the resources in the world but someone who doesn&#x27;t have an ounce of intellectual curiosity will remain ignorant. It sounds obvious when you say it but many seem to think that better schools will just solve educational problems.
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Overtonwindow大约 2 年前
This is depressing and an absolute travesty. If this was anywhere else but California I might look to the parents for blame, but here I blame the teachers and the school system.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m over thinking this, but the public education curriculum in major cities seem to have strayed far from making sure that every child is drilled in the basics: Basic reading, writing, and mathematics.
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tomrod大约 2 年前
This is abysmal.<p>Outside of voting for local and federal officials who actually want to solve this, how can I help?
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fnordpiglet大约 2 年前
To be fair “barely read” is not the same as “below grade level.” First, grade level is defined in California as being the median as of 1998 (I think). The figures in here indicate these students are close to but under the median. This is not nearly as dire as “can barely read.” I’m not apologizing for the stark demographic different which is indicative of terrible social ills breaking along racial lines. But to address a problem you need to honest about it, and it’s not the case that black high school students are illiterate or close to it. They’re just generally below the median, which is unsurprising given the related metrics for other larger demographics.
timwaagh大约 2 年前
Unsurprising and consistent with other statistics
bradgranath大约 2 年前
The US public education system largely stopped teaching kids to read 30 years ago. First it was memorization, but that has given way to literally teaching kids to guess.<p>The rich kids get tutors. The poor ones don’t.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;nataliewexler&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;21&#x2F;problems-with-lucy-calkins-curriculum-go-beyond-reading-to-writing&#x2F;?sh=34e6726650c9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;nataliewexler&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;21&#x2F;proble...</a>
monetus大约 2 年前
This is somewhat tangential, but for anyone who thinks various american dialects aren&#x27;t &quot;proper&quot; english could use the perspective of north carolina university&#x27;s life and language project -<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8QFpVgPl9tQ&amp;feature=youtu.be">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8QFpVgPl9tQ&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>
giardini大约 2 年前
If they don&#x27;t care then why should I care, spend my money to help them, etc.?<p>There are enough people who <i>can</i> read &quot;at their age level&quot;. We&#x27;ll make do with those (and with ChatGPT - a &quot;just-in-time technology if I&#x27;ve ever seen one!).
chkaloon大约 2 年前
The first part says the comparison of Asian to Black is invalid because most Asians are recent immigrants. Do we have any numbers controlling for immigration timeframe?
alephnerd大约 2 年前
1. It&#x27;s functional literacy at age group - not &quot;unable to read Latin letters&quot;<p>2. Ime, education in phonics honestly sucks and fails to take into account local and regional dialectic differences. Maybe treating AAVE (and other regional dialects, similar issues exist among White Appalachians in rural WV, TN, and KY for example due to the Scotch-Irish heavy register) as a second language might help bridge the gap.<p>Clarence Thomas is an example of that kind of issue - his first language was Gullah (a mixed creole between West African languages and English) and it has had an impact on his own education earlier in his career.
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gloryjulio大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s a sensitive topic and let&#x27;s discuss the facts here. U need some accountability to let ppl work and study,that&#x27;s the unfortunately truth. Study is hard and complete freedom doesn&#x27;t work. Sometimed u need some grit and push. In the end it&#x27;s the kids suffer
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0xDEF大约 2 年前
What is the number of students per teacher at these schools?
say_it_as_it_is大约 2 年前
What percentage of Americans can &quot;barely read&quot; according to those standards? This isn&#x27;t just a problem specific to black high school students in the Bay Area.
poorbutdebtfree大约 2 年前
Defund AP classes and redistribute surplus resources into remedial reading. It&#x27;s that simple.
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