The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend a plant-based diet

No matter where you stand (some meat eaters tend to become extremely emotional on this):<p>The fact that the scientific results and recommendations get utterly censored like this before publication makes me really angry.<p>It’s somewhat fine for me if people&#x2F;governments choose to ignore or argue against these results after publication, but this is just absurd… and is then used from people all over the world to point to „see, even scientists say it’s fine!“!<p>We must find a way to eliminate this lobbying&#x2F;corruption, rather soon! Meanwhile, of course a vegan diet is better for the environment and renewables&#x2F;green energy should be a top priority, and yes every bit counts, and if everyone would agree and do this instead of arguing we would have solved the issue already.

It really does feel like we’re living in bizzaro world. If you want to make recommendations based on evidence, make sure it doesn’t impact the profits of powerful groups.<p>Many negative things we see in public policy stem from this fact. Lack of right to repair, lack of broadband in America, lack of cyber security in corporations, US tax law.<p>Maybe you like your meat. That’s fine. You can make decisions for your self, but we should at least be able to acknowledge the impacts of those decisions.<p>I think the solution is to blanket ban corporate speech. It really is different than individuals speaking and we need to acknowledge that.

The discussion around plants, meat and dairy need to become much more nuanced.<p>Let&#x27;s take dairy as an example - has a great effect in boosting mTORC1 activity which causes better growth in children. Now, a non-insignificant set of people who have bought into zealous veganry are raising children who will be physically more fragile just because they&#x27;ve been marketed with the idea that dairy == bad.<p>On the other hand, overactivation of mTORC1 is a driver of &quot;growth-related diseases&quot; like cancer, which suggests you should limit it post-adolescence.<p>In conclusion, I think it is right for us not to listen to political panels who are sticking their finger up in the air to measure what is the politically correct thing to say today and prescribe policies based on that. People should have the freedom to research and choose.<p>I am a layman on this topic; feel free to correct any errors in my claims.

You always have to be careful for averages kgCO2&#x2F;unit of some product where there are multiple ways to produce the stuff.<p>To take beef for example (since it usually tops the kgCO2&#x2F;unit food charts) if we just replaced the millions of bisons exterminated in the USA:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theconversation.com&#x2F;historical-photo-of-mountain-of-bison-skulls-documents-animals-on-the-brink-of-extinction-148780" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theconversation.com&#x2F;historical-photo-of-mountain-of-...</a><p>(30-60 millions bisons to ... about 500).<p>By cattle, on the same grass lands (no land use change - important), the impact on climate change would be exactly zero vs pre industrial levels.<p>We could probable have some quantity of near CO2 neutral meat if we wanted to.<p>When I want beef I buy from a local farmer (grass fed 10km from my home), I don&#x27;t think removing it would really help the climate vs things I&#x27;ve done like insulating my house, switching to heat pump, remote work, and switching to EV.

If they really read both pieces of papers, they&#x27;d read the footnote 53 in the final draft, detailing what the IPCC is calling a &quot;sustainable healthy diet&quot;.<p>&quot;53 ‘Sustainable healthy diets’ promote all dimensions of individuals’ health and well-being; have low environmental pressure and impact; are accessible, affordable, safe and equitable; and are culturally acceptable, as described in FAO and WHO. The related concept of ‘balanced diets’ refers to diets that feature plant-based foods, such as those based on coarse grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, and animal-sourced food produced in resilient, sustainable and low-GHG emission systems, as described in SRCCL&quot;<p>Is Scientist Rebellion a lobby ? Who&#x27;s pushing an agenda here ?

I&#x27;m actually surprised how much dairy products contribute to global warming. It&#x27;s only veganism that really cuts down on carbon emissions.

I find it bad that scientific results get censored, and I am also wondering if there is proof that a plant-based diet is more healthy. My suspicion is it might be for the average American, but it is based on gut feeling (pun intended).<p>I remember margarine (plant-based) was all the rage too and IIRC it was much less healthy than butter (animal-based).<p>My guess is it depends on the specific meals.

Were these the same people who told us the glaciers would be melted and the Maldives under water by 2000?<p>How narcissistic do you have to be to believe the world is going to end in your little eye blink of a lifetime?<p>Look, the West can go carbon negative, but it makes no difference at all if China and India just use the West&#x27;s carbon virtue to increase their own carbon consumption (that the West isn&#x27;t using).<p>We really should be thinking about next generation nuclear and mitigation as first tier strategies and not attempting to remake human nature in a few generations time.

According to the bar chart in the article, chocolate and coffee are also big factors. Why are these not talked about more?<p>I&#x27;m guessing their impact is mostly from deforestation. Does somebody know more?

Do official recommendations like this really influence people&#x27;s food choices? There have been calls for plant based diets for a long time and yet meat eating has been increasing.

I want to eat meat. I think it&#x27;s better for me. Not only my health, but specific goals I have.<p>I will do what is necessary in order to do so.<p>This is generally how I operate. I also want to drive a car, own a house (not an apartment), have children, etcetera.<p>It strictly benefits me to recommend that you (as a stranger) don&#x27;t do any of this. I&#x27;d rather have less competition.<p>That&#x27;s all this stuff comes down to, to me. Convince everyone else to reduce their standard of living.<p>I&#x27;m just not going to eat the bugs, sorry. Try as hard as you like.

Interestingly, if you eat a diet of ONLY beef, as I do, then you will find that your health and fitness improve dramatically and that you spend dramatically less time preparing, cooking, and eating food.<p>Also, if you eat only beef then you completely stop farting (and the volume of your poop falls by 80%).<p>I&#x27;ve often wondered why &quot;cow farts&quot; are considered such a terrible climate change concern but &quot;human farts&quot; aren&#x27;t.

Wow pork emits less than chess and farmed fish! Very interesting!

Why bother? Hardly anything the IPCC says seems to translate into policy.

These are the same people who fly on commercial planes to beautiful destinations to then lecture me about the food I eat and the cars I drive. I guarantee none of the people authoring the IPCC report are eating bugs or lab grown meat steaks at these fancy conferences.