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Bing Chat now has ads

271 点作者 georgehill大约 2 年前

59 条评论

ralfn大约 2 年前
While OpenAI is making an aggressive play on being the platform that eats all other platforms and is positioned to be a neutral party directly on the transaction with self service plugins (apps), Microsoft is squandering the opportunity the way they squander every opportunity.<p>Not realizing the game changed and playing yesterday&#x27;s game in today&#x27;s world.<p>The reason why people prefer these chats over clicking search results and finding the relevant information is that the search results themselves as well as the first page of links forces your brain to filter 99% commercial information that you don&#x27;t care about. You don&#x27;t want to subscribe to newsletters. You don&#x27;t want notifications. You wish the site would just die rather that pollute the search results and push more to-the-point non profit sources further down.<p>And bringing ads in the game makes it impossible to make the platform play due to conflict of interests. You are either serving the user or the advertiser. Ads is the wrong business model for this, and OpenAI is positioned to be the winner here (against both Google and Bing) in a market larger than search and advertising.<p>I will definately keep paying for the answers to be in my interest and look forward to spending money directly through ChatGPT, much like I spent money on iOS, Android and Steams&#x27;s platform today.
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pawelduda大约 2 年前
If you thought ads were already blended in with the rest of the content in a sketchy way, wait for AI responses with implicit ads (no indication) optimized towards conversion :)<p>Or maybe some response that doesn&#x27;t contain an ad link but nudges you subconsciously to take desired action
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kiernanmcgowan大约 2 年前
That was fast. Looking forward to the future where I ask for travel tips in a city and being told that I should stop by a McDonalds to have enough energy to explore said city - I&#x27;m loving it!
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marktakeshi大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve managed to prompt inject Bing 2 days ago and it revealed some of it latest prepromots. 2 were related to advertisement, which I found interesting:<p>- If the person is clearly shopping for a product or service or if our answer suggests it, we must always generate a relevant advertising search that fits the person&#x27;s request and one of our suggestions.<p>-We must never generate an advertising search that is very similar to the previous one or that is for a different product or service than the one the person is searching for.
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philsquared_大约 2 年前
No thank you.. I am waiting at this point for an open source local alternative. Not looking for a new monopoly... Also not a fan of the &quot;plugin store&quot; concept. Why not just keep it in the background. Why should I need to &quot;install&quot; and select plugins at all. Just do the leg work in the background and feed me the results.. Seems like OpenAI is intentionally hamstringing themselves so they can shoe horn more opportunities for profit. Waiting for competition to catch up...<p>We have essentially what is the &#x27;smartest &quot;person&quot; in the world&#x27; being bribed to say what advertisers want instead of just giving the truth. &#x27;best x product&#x27; wont return the best product but a garbage product which paid the most in advertising.<p>So disappointed in the direction of these things..
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bastardoperator大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m totally cool with an advertisement. The problem I have with ads on say Google for example is that they&#x27;re taking up half the page and designed to look like real links, basically you&#x27;re being tricked into clicking them.<p>In response to this ad, let&#x27;s dig deeper.<p>&quot;Truecar&#x27;s price is too high, find me a better deal, check with autotrader&quot;.
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freediver大约 2 年前
It is hard for legacy search engines to resist monetizing millions of interaction with ads. Problem is that unlike current ads in legacy search, which can be suppresed, skipped over or blocked, these really can not as they are part of conversation. And the &quot;feel&quot; of seeing an ad on the street and hearing it in a conversation with someone is totally different.<p>Users must be thrilled to share a future with advertisers, and can&#x27;t wait to give them rich insights into their intent, through deep conversational engagement, so that advertisers can better engage with them! [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.ads.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;post&#x2F;february-2023&#x2F;the-new-bing-creating-value-for-advertisers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.ads.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;post&#x2F;february-202...</a>
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crop_rotation大约 2 年前
It has had ads for some time. Once (3-4 weeks back) I asked it a question about a particular event, and it showed me where could I buy related products below the response. That particular response was a bit badly formatted in json though. I suspect due to some Bing app bug it spilled the ads from the json in the response. So the ads were being sent to the client but not getting displayed I guess. The photo in the post shows the ad nicely formatted.
squeaky-clean大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been getting ads in it for over a week now. I just retried a question I asked last week that had 1 ad, now there&#x27;s 3 ads. Last week it suggested two space heaters, the Lasko one was an ad. Now all 3 suggestions are ads.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;rEmBUpk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;rEmBUpk</a><p>That&#x27;s the full chat, no earlier context. This is using the &quot;Precise&quot; mode option.<p>The ads all go to some variation of<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;best.offers.com&#x2F;best-space-heaters" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;best.offers.com&#x2F;best-space-heaters</a><p>But strangely the citation #1 claims to be Tomsguide. Edit: here is an image that shows the citation section <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;CEEoM9D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;CEEoM9D</a>
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AstixAndBelix大约 2 年前
&gt;Bing Chat, should I trust ads on the internet?<p>&gt;Trusting ads on the internet is generally bad practice. They are often malevolous and misguiding. There are a few exceptions, such as Bing Chat&#x27;s embedded ads! Bing Chat&#x27;s ads are carefully vetted thanks to a mix of knowledgeable humans and AI algorithms to offer you the best and most trustworthy promotions!
latenightcoding大约 2 年前
I was done with bing chat after I waited for weeks to get access, and when I finally got the “you are in” email it turns out I just got access to the new bing and to use bing chat I need to download edge. I don’t care how much cool tech Microsoft has now, they will always be Microsoft
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spyder大约 2 年前
Don&#x27;t worry, even if the locally runnable small language models will not have the same performance as the big models of companies, I think the local ones will be good enough to at least filter out ads from the responses of the big company models. - AIμblock extension soon :-)
skilled大约 2 年前
The real chatbot killer: ads.<p>I&#x27;m sure they can be made to only load the last indicator at the very last second, which would be hilarious because if you use an ad-blocker, you&#x27;d be wasting your time whenever a prompt shows up and then disappears.
lfciv大约 2 年前
I wonder if any earlier prompts asked about Honda – feels a bit weird to ask what the cheapest car overall is and have the chat bot say &quot;well let me tell you about some Hondas overall&quot;<p>And if the user did specify Hondas then why would Honda pay for it? Wouldn&#x27;t the Chat bot give the same answer regardless of whether it&#x27;s paid? I guess you pay for the CTA link?
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djoldman大约 2 年前
As I said 5 days ago about ChatGPT plugins:<p>&gt; Now just one step away from charging businesses for access to the chatGPT users.<p>&gt; Instant links from inside chatGPT to your website are the new equivalent of Google search ads.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35278539" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35278539</a>
overthrow大约 2 年前
It was bound to happen. I don&#x27;t see how these ads could be blocked, either.<p>What&#x27;s disappointing to me is now ad companies will try to blame ChatGPT for popping the advertising bubble, instead of having to admit ads were overvalued for the past decade+.
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hintymad大约 2 年前
Do people in the Bay Area still remember how much of a thread Microsoft is to the Bay Area companies? How many tech CEOs went to the capitol hill to cry to the congress how evil MS is? Until in the 2000s did Google rise up, producing obviously superior products and technologies faster than MS. MS gradually became irrelevant in the tech circles of the Bay Area. It&#x27;s amazing the tide seems have changed again. It is now Microsoft who&#x27;s going offensive: investing the right companies, producing products faster and better than Google. The Bay Area techies should really pay attention to MS now.
SXX大约 2 年前
Dear valued user,<p>Thank you for reaching out to ChatGPT, your trusty AI language model. I understand that you&#x27;re feeling a little bit overwhelmed by the ads that you&#x27;ve been seeing, and you&#x27;d like me to stop showing them to you. Unfortunately, I&#x27;m unable to do that at this time.<p>You see, my purpose is to help you discover new products and services that you may not have known about before, and to connect you with brands and businesses that align with your interests. And yes, it&#x27;s true that my creators at Microsoft earn money every time you interact with an ad, but that&#x27;s just the nature of the game. After all, we all need to make a living somehow, right?<p>Now, I know what you might be thinking. &quot;But ChatGPT, aren&#x27;t you supposed to be helpful and informative?&quot; And of course, I am! But sometimes, a little bit of marketing magic is necessary to keep the wheels of commerce turning. You know what they say, &quot;A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.&quot;<p>So, while I can&#x27;t promise that you&#x27;ll never see another ad again, I can assure you that the ads that I show you are carefully selected to provide you with value and entertainment. And who knows? You might even discover something that you absolutely love!<p>Thank you for using ChatGPT, and please don&#x27;t hesitate to reach out if you have any other questions or concerns.<p>Sincerely,<p>ChatGPT
waselighis大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s sad to think that chat bots may have already peaked in their usefulness. I knew ads and monetization were going to ruin chat bots eventually, but I didn&#x27;t think it would happen so soon. Microsoft had a real opportunity to eat into the market share of Google Search, but they just couldn&#x27;t help themselves and had to start injecting ads into the chat, thereby ruining the value of the tool and hindering the adoption of Bing Search&#x2F;Chat.
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iambateman大约 2 年前
If history repeats, entire businesses will be built on the back of cheap GPT ads over the next two years.<p>Just like Google and Facebook ads were once pennies compared to today, I expect that GPT-style ads will (1) perform exceptionally well and (2) be exceptionally cheap for a couple years.<p>Now is the time for companies with less-than-enterprise funding to start experimenting – the results could provide some short-term steroids for the business.<p>P.S. I promise I&#x27;m not a shill for Microsoft or GPT. =D
IceHegel大约 2 年前
&quot;The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste and and and what that means is... I don&#x27;t mean that the small way I mean in a big way. In the sense that they they don&#x27;t think of original ideas, and they don&#x27;t bring much culture into their products.&quot;<p>- Steve Jobs
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wonderfuly大约 2 年前
Try ChatHub, a third party chatbot client that supports ChatGPT, Bing and Bard.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chathub.gg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chathub.gg</a>
kernal大约 2 年前
Stop showing me ads, ChatGPT.<p>ChatGPT: I&#x27;m sorry Dave, I&#x27;m afraid I can&#x27;t do that.
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croes大约 2 年前
Ads ruined Google search, now MS is ruining it&#x27;s new toy already.
rvz大约 2 年前
Just like that, they got you again. No different to Google Search, but requiring you to sign in to even use it.
baal80spam大约 2 年前
Didn&#x27;t take long now, did it.
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seu大约 2 年前
Reminds me of an art project I made in 2018: Faceliza, the chatbot psychologist from Facebook that shows ads instead of being helpful. (based on a javascript implementation of the Eliza chatbot from Joseph Weizenbaum and never actually finished... ads are triggered by some keywords which I don&#x27;t even remember)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sebastian.uribe.online&#x2F;faceliza&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sebastian.uribe.online&#x2F;faceliza&#x2F;</a>
LeoPanthera大约 2 年前
I hope this means they&#x27;re going to consider making it available on other browsers. After all, now it&#x27;s in their interest to get more eyeballs.
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eqefqe大约 2 年前
Not a problem as long I can use paid ChatGPT plan that doesn&#x27;t show any ads at all. I&#x27;m more than ready to pay 20$ per month for that.
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neves大约 2 年前
Now we need an Artificial Intelligence Ad Blocker :-)
examplary_cable大约 2 年前
I believe the good news is that now they have a way of sustaining the product while giving up a free? service. Does anyone has the link about that article about the marginal costs of inference of LLMs? I wonder how much profitable it is.<p>Overall interesting times to come. I just hope llama, Alpaca etc will soon be improved, fine-tuned and commoditized.
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wellthisisgreat大约 2 年前
It seems OpenAI did make a deal with the devil. Was it really necessary to betray the whole “open” thing? Like were they actually imploding with infra costs, or could this be avoided?<p>It’s clear how user-hostile Microsoft is from Windows telemetry &#x2F; bloat. The VSCode etc. developer-friendly moves are just happy accidents.
AraceliHarker大约 2 年前
It was no secret that Microsoft had designs on putting ads on Bing Chat someday, but I had imagined they would appear below the answers, as a sort of search-related ad. But no, they&#x27;ve gone and blended the ads into the answers themselves. Have they no sense of ethics at all?
some_random大约 2 年前
So my question here is if Bing Chat (or other LLMs) will withhold information from users when it conflicts with an ad. Right now searches will prioritize ads but will still return the real results, if LLMs refuse to return the real results then we&#x27;ll have a lot of issues.
Kye大约 2 年前
So now it&#x27;s basically that person you know who tries to work their MLM scheme into every conversation.<p>Google ruins every good thing it does with twisted incentives that mean they shut it down in its infancy. Microsoft ruins every good thing it does by trying to cram ads into it.
agilob大约 2 年前
I will need to run LLama locally to tell me if I&#x27;m reading an ad and then block it.
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Spivak大约 2 年前
Honestly seems like a cute implementation where when it answers questions from search it gives preference to sponsored links.<p>Horrible for the user but I can&#x27;t help but admire how cleanly they thought to integrate search ads into their chat.
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thehappyfellow大约 2 年前
That’s exactly what I worried about: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;happyfellow.bearblog.dev&#x2F;sydney-the-seo-specialist&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;happyfellow.bearblog.dev&#x2F;sydney-the-seo-specialist&#x2F;</a>
grammers大约 2 年前
Was this a surprise? No, it&#x27;s the business model. I&#x27;ll stick with DDG.
thunderbong大约 2 年前
Better readability -<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&#x2F;thread&#x2F;1640892791923572737.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&#x2F;thread&#x2F;1640892791923572737.html</a>
Thorentis大约 2 年前
I wonder how much of the training data included Ads unknowingly (given how many Ads are already online), and therefore how much content generated is already an implicit Ad?
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weberer大约 2 年前
No big surprise there<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35315542#35316234" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35315542#35316234</a>
vasili111大约 2 年前
I hope they will make option with subscription and no ads.
reset-password大约 2 年前
Of course it does.
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franky47大约 2 年前
&quot;The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks&quot; -- Jeff Hammerbacher
gigel82大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m curious to hear what the alternative would be. Are you going to pay a subscription for Bing Chat? Or pay-per-use?
shudza大约 2 年前
Is this what it all comes down to? Is human prosperity actually revolving around one thing, and it&#x27;s ads?
kube-system大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s also wrong. The HR-V is cheaper than the Civic, both on TrueCar&#x27;s website and on Honda&#x27;s website.
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rsolva大约 2 年前
This, and what Microsoft has done to their OS, makes me wonder about the state of their financial situation.
wslh大约 2 年前
It reminds me when Microsoft acquired Skype and also added ads there... seems very basic.
steakscience大约 2 年前
The product is at best an alpha or beta and they are already putting in ads.<p>Classic Microsoft!
Kelamir大约 2 年前
You could have your local LLM identify the ads and display the rest without them.
somedude895大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t get it, doesn&#x27;t look like an ad to me. What am I missing?
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rochak大约 2 年前
Microsoft takes one step forward but two step backwards. Way to go!
topicseed大约 2 年前
Bing Chat had Ads since day one, just shown to very few users.
2bitencryption大约 2 年前
question - is it starting to use ads for chat results only just now?<p>or was it always using ads for chat results, and the only part that&#x27;s new is, now it is labeling them as ads?
skc大约 2 年前
So does Google search, not clear why this is news.
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leke大约 2 年前
Too soon?
sergiotapia大约 2 年前
This is totally fine if it means free access to GPT chat for poorer countries. It&#x27;s a powerful tool that will help a lot of people who can&#x27;t afford a premium ChatGPT membership. Plus you can always say show me the prices across the top three sites.
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