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Why are movies so dark these days?

123 点作者 vanilla-almond大约 2 年前

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atoav大约 2 年前
As a former freelance DOP for cinema productions:<p>Movies have dark scenes nowadays mainly because it is a trend. On top of that dark scenes can have practical advantages (set building, VFX, lighting, etc. can be reduced or become much simpler to do which directly translates into money saved during shooting).<p>If I had to guess, the trend of dark scenes are a direct result of the fact that in the past two decades we our digital sensors got good enough to actually shoot in such low-light environments.<p>Before that film crews were typically shooting day-for-night which meant waiting for a set of specific weather conditions and then hoping that grading things blue-ish would sell the thing as being shot in the night.<p>Another aspect is the much higher brightness and contrast (=dynamic range) of today&#x27;s displays and projectors. Back in the day you had to literally use the whitest white and the darkest dark available to create a readable picture (and you had to do a ton of lighting to squash the extreme dynamic range of a real world environment into the small dynamic range of your target medium). As this dynamic range became bigger it became possible to not use the whole range and still have good looking results. So in that line of thinking pictures became darker because they <i>can</i> be.<p>Not that I defend the whole thing, sometimes dark pictures with a high contrast can be good and very readable, sometimes it is used as an excuse to not do the propper work.
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JoeAltmaier大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s fundamental to a story - I have to see the actors. I have to hear them say their lines.<p>When they shoot dark scenes that leave me wondering who is talking, what they&#x27;re doing, why they said that, it&#x27;s a profound failure of the Director to make a minimally funcitonal story.<p>The other failure is mumbling actors. They whisper when they don&#x27;t understand what emotion to show. They rush their lines to show passion but instead show lack of fundamental acting skill. They turn from the camera so I can&#x27;t see their face, say something to the wall, leaving me without necessary facial clues, leaving me to puzzle out their accent or whatnot.<p>I blame it on falling standards of professionalism, driven by an insatiable demand for content.
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cardanome大约 2 年前
One would think that movies would be produced for the viewers but apparently the monopolistic landscape of modern entertainment allows film-makers to make insane, ego-driven choices without consequences.<p>People need to be able to see and hear (the audio side is arguable getting even worse) what is happening. That is the absolute baseline for making a good product.<p>This is the equivalent of making a website where people struggle to read the text and the designer yelling that it is not made to be viewed on cheap mobile phones. Even in our current world of user-hostile web design, most professional designs try very hard to be accessible on a very large range of devices.<p>And no &quot;naturalism&quot; has nothing to do with it. I don&#x27;t think unnatural lighting is such an immersion breaker compared the horrible CGI that people are forced to made on crunch time but sure if you want to only use natural lighting, go ahead BUT you still need to make sure the scenes are well lit. There are lots of avant-garde movies with natural lighting that are well lit.
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heleninboodler大约 2 年前
The &quot;where is the light coming from&quot; complaints in the <i>Scream</i> scene seem completely ignorant of the fact that our eyes have such a staggering amount of fidelity when compared with a camera that the filmmaker must <i>compensate</i> for that by overlighting the scene. You <i>would</i> be able to pick out details of a character&#x27;s face in a dimly-lit room that only has external light sources because your eyes are incredible devices. To me, it&#x27;s mind-bendingly tedious for someone to pick this apart and ask where the light sources are coming from when what they are going for is a <i>mood</i> as opposed to objective <i>realism</i>.
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mypastself大约 2 年前
I’m glad cinema is mostly past its fling with quick cuts and shaky cam, but the current obsession with drab low-contrast color palette is just as bad.<p>Another one that irks me is shallow depth of field.<p>I appreciate the deep-focus cinematography by the likes of Kurosawa and Welles all the more when I see modern filmmakers making 80% of their frame blurry on purpose.<p>Fads are cyclical, so I was hoping that after Zack Snyder brought the style to its logical unwatchable conclusion with his “Army of the Bokeh”, cinematographers and directors would move on, but I guess it’s not that time yet.
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Barrin92大约 2 年前
Reminded me immediately of a tweet someone made about Dexter when the newest season aired: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;_katiestebbins_&#x2F;status&#x2F;1461348307901378561?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;_katiestebbins_&#x2F;status&#x2F;14613483079013785...</a><p>Personally I don&#x27;t agree with the take of the article in two ways. The first one is that it gives way too much default credit to realism as a stylistic choice. Movies are works of fiction and the creator has total artistic freedom in what aesthetic to go for, and being &#x27;realistic&#x27; isn&#x27;t necessarily a good thing, you still need to make the case for it.<p>Secondly I think the bigger reason is a trend towards grittiness, bleakness or a sort of &#x27;scandi-noir crime drama&#x27; look. People go for that mood not just visually but also in terms of writing, muted mumbly dialogue, minimalism, and so on.<p>Villeneuve&#x27;s Dune that&#x27;s mentioned in the article is to me, despite the apparent popular appeal, a negative example of this trend. The movie is overly bleak and oppressive, cold, distant in a way that many of his films are and heavy on visual stereotypes. (the hairless, pale, black-dressed &#x27;brutish&#x27; Harkonnen&#x27;s, a caricature that the books deliberately avoided).
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xg15大约 2 年前
&gt; <i>It first materialized in a big way back during the late seasons of Game of Thrones. Episode after episode, people furiously tweeted about how hard it was to see, well, anything going on on screen.</i><p>From an enthusiastic GoT fan back then: I don&#x27;t really know where the author got that &quot;episode after episode&quot; from. I remember exactly <i>one</i> episode, where overdark scenes were an issue, S8E3 &quot;The Long Night&quot; - and in the episode, darkness was a plot device and a deliberate stylistic choice.<p>There was an unfortunate scene in which the <i>characters</i> were unable to make out whether the enemy was approaching or not, due to intense darkness. The filmmakers chose to visualise this by making the scene almost pitch black, with literally not enough information in the pixels to see the characters. I&#x27;m sure that must have looked impressive in a test screening in a cinema, but when streamed, it caused lots of viewers to be distracted by their own reflections and turn up their TVs to maximum brightness - because the scene sort of looked as if you should be able to see something, even though really you weren&#x27;t.<p>I think that was a visual experiment by the filmmakers which, frankly, failed - but it was at least a deliberate choice and not blindly following some trend.
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tragomaskhalos大约 2 年前
Another factor: If you watch a film in the cinema then the surroundings are almost completely dark, which makes it easier to see what&#x27;s going on on a dark screen. However we increasingly consume content at home where there is typically more ambient light, especially if we don&#x27;t choose to turn off all the lights just to watch tv as other family members may be doing other things and find it annoying.
Steve44大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s not just films, a lot of TV programmes are heading that way too.<p>One example is the recently released adaptation of Great Expectations[1]. It&#x27;s not just the overall darkness, but general lack of colour which is striking to me. I think this is just an artistic style and the next stage of colour grading from the Teal &amp; Orange[2] trends of a few years ago.<p>You get used to it when watching a programme and forget what full colour actually looks like. Watching old films, something like the 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia[3] highlighted it for me, really shows how much colour has been drained from modern film &amp; TV productions.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;mediacentre&#x2F;2023&#x2F;great-expectations-air-date-confirmed-trailer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;mediacentre&#x2F;2023&#x2F;great-expectations-ai...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theabyssgazes.blogspot.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;03&#x2F;teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theabyssgazes.blogspot.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;03&#x2F;teal-and-orange-h...</a><p>[3] I think the recent remasters release may have some colour grading in too though, just looking at some scenes they are darker!
ordu大约 2 年前
<i>&gt; Even broad, big-budget blockbusters like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 embraced a look torn straight from indie cinema. Not only are the lights in that film always motivated, they’re realistic.</i><p>Did you tried to see anything at night in a winter forest? It is impossible. Maybe full Moon can help to see something, I don&#x27;t know really, but my experience tells that the only thing you can see without an artificial light is darkness and (if you are lucky) a few stars blinking through branches of trees (which are invisible by themselves because they are totally black over a black background).<p>I always laughed at a scene where Harry Potter follows silver doe to a river and Ron Weasley finds him without a notice (Harry didn&#x27;t see any lights coming), and Severus Snape secretly watches them. Ok, I can write off Snape, he is probably using some magic to see in the dark, he is a very powerful wizard after all. But all the seven books say not a word about Harry Potter or even Hermione Granger knowing something like that. When they face darkness they use Lumos that works like a flashlight. And a film shows completely unrealistic forest where you can see the scene. Trees, for example. Screen doesn&#x27;t turn into a black rectangle, but to be realistic it should.
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chilmers大约 2 年前
Watching the bright and beautiful trailer for Wes Anderson&#x27;s Asteroid City reminded me how wonderful it is to have a director who isn&#x27;t interested in a pointless pursuit of &quot;realism&quot; in an inherently unreal medium, and instead joyfully and unashamedly embraces its artificiality and creates his own style, instead of following the herd. I would take him at his quirkiest and most cliched over another dark and colourless movie.
pharmakom大约 2 年前
By the same logic movies shouldn&#x27;t have a score because there is no orchestra in the scene
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crooked-v大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s not just movies. There was an episode of The Mandalorian with cave scenes so dark that they were literally unwatchable for me with the shades open. You&#x27;d think people would have learned after the mess with Game of Thrones.
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egberts1大约 2 年前
So dark, I can no longer view them on an Apple iPad.<p>Couple that with some video streamers (looking at you, Netflix) always defaulting to a different audio track, while it is often in its original film’s language, the audio gets bastardized with commentary overlay and overlaps thereby ruining the original movie experience. Often cannot default to “original movie sound”.<p>Oh, did I mention that the closed captioning has started ignoring the hard-of-hearing and deaf folks? They only transcribe the foreign language into open-captions. I mean, WTF? We folks kinda want ALL languages captioned.<p>Just the three kinds of darkness we are descending into … nowadays.
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rbanffy大约 2 年前
One thing that always gets me is kind of specific to science-fiction and space-opera genres: why would anyone build a spaceship with a powerplant that can light up a planet (and sometimes does) get skimpy on lighting?<p>I get it. It&#x27;s style, but it&#x27;s the opposite or realistic, or motivated lighting - one would imagine a workplace would be lit properly, use light walls to reflect more direct light and provide diffuse lighting.
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fwlr大约 2 年前
On a more fundamental level it seems like the reason that movies are dark [or long, or shaky-cammed, or mixed with near-inaudible dialogue, or…] is the same reason movies are such strong and specific cultural touchpoints: they are largely the vision and decisions of the people in charge, relatively unencumbered by prosaic concerns such as accessibility or even profit (at the very least, this last one is true <i>per movie</i>: a director whose films flop quickly stops being able to find funding, so the profit concern <i>does</i> assert itself, but even that director mostly gets to make the movie they want to make while on set and in the editing booth).<p>The proliferation of sequels trading on nostalgia, cinematic universes like Marvel etc., may seem like counter-examples but I’d argue they represent a directing team whose specific vision is making a lot of profit. Profit is an internal motive and the directing team’s wide latitude lets them pursue it, rather than profit being an external concern that steps in scene by scene and tells them to add more lights. (Also note that Marvel’s MCU is well-known for the very particular creative vision driving the entire franchise.)<p>When the decision-makers have a unique vision, we get cult classics, new schools like “lighting realism”, and also awful movies like The Room. When the decision-makers are influenced by trends, we get waves of shaky cam or dark lighting.
illiarian大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s also the problem of &quot;we&#x27;ll fix it in post&quot;. Applies to sound, too.<p>Too many movie makers these days assume that any issues can be removed by CGI in post-production. But you can only do so much with the material you&#x27;re given.<p>Oh, and post-production time and budget are often an afterthought, too.
PaulHoule大约 2 年前
You can’t leave projection technology out of it. Frequently the bulb is nearly burned out in the projector or they left the 3D polarizer on or the system is otherwise misconfigured. As for “Home Theater” even people with a nice TV and sound system might not have perfectly controlled light. if you’re a guest in people’s homes you’d better act like it.
knaik94大约 2 年前
I started using MPV or VLC or Daum Potplayer to manually adjust the brightness and contrast of tv shows and movies I&#x27;m watching. I stopped valuing the &quot;filmmaker&#x27;s choice&quot; when I saw the analysis of how dark that beach scene was in House of Dragons was. [1] It&#x27;s not just that consumer equipment is differently calibrated from color grading equipment, that specific scene was graded to 1 nit brigtness. Hbo later tweeted that it will not be fixed and is absoultely intentional. [2] The offical recommended viewing conditions of HDR according to the ITU and Dolby is an ambient 5 nits.<p>The artists aren&#x27;t respecting or grading with consumer equipment in mind. I&#x27;m not getting an optimal viewing experience or even getting the artist&#x27;s creative intent by trying to recreate the intended viewing settings. Dolby Vision still isn&#x27;t completely supported when playing back a file on desktop. Certain DV profiles can be passed through to TVs that support it, but that&#x27;s not possible for Blu-Ray Dolby Vision files. Neither the Xbox nor PS5 support Dolby Vision disk playback. Many playback solutions for playback of Dolby Vision from PC throw away the dynamic data defeating the point of caring about DV over HDR10. This is also ignoring how streaming changes colors can change due to compression, and some shows and movies are only available via streaming.<p>My TV can detect ambient light, Dolby Vision IQ already exists, but in my experience fails too often. Some would argue DV IQ also moves away from filmmarker&#x27;s intent.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=D83SXcguwBU">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=D83SXcguwBU</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;HBOMaxHelp&#x2F;status&#x2F;1576793465010135040" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;HBOMaxHelp&#x2F;status&#x2F;1576793465010135040</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trustedreviews.com&#x2F;explainer&#x2F;what-is-dolby-vision-iq-4097155" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trustedreviews.com&#x2F;explainer&#x2F;what-is-dolby-visio...</a>
dinobones大约 2 年前
This is something I noticed when I was younger, and I guess I’ve just adapted to it over time.<p>As a 10 year old, trying to watch a dark movie where the main characters whisper or speak in a low volume was basically impossible. I don’t know why, maybe my senses just weren’t that developed yet, but I struggled so much. I remember watching Harry Potter, and in that scene where Harry stands in front of the mirror with Dumbledore, I could barely see or understand anything, despite watching this in the cinema.<p>As I got older, I was able to perceive darker scenes and listen to whispered or hushed speech better. But it made movie watching way less enjoyable when I was younger. There were large chunks of movies where I basically just zoned out because they were too dark and or quiet. I’m curious if anyone else experienced something similar.
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huffmsa大约 2 年前
&quot;Where is the light coming from?&quot;<p>&quot;The same place as the music&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;siracusa&#x2F;status&#x2F;1122834984228806656?t=_HLgIRI8X4BwYg6oyaqVSQ&amp;s=19" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;siracusa&#x2F;status&#x2F;1122834984228806656?t=_H...</a>
nemo44x大约 2 年前
Happy to hear it’s a stylistic choice and not a result of the change in recording, lighting, and projection equipment. I can’t stand it. At first I thought my theatre needed new projectors. But as I started to see this at home as well I thought maybe it was me. I verified with others that everything seemed dim and washed out. I started to wonder if it was the lighting - the big, heavy and hot lights have been replaced by LEDs. Could it be that? Are we doomed forever?<p>I think this style looks great in photography but it’s distracting when trying to watch a movie. I hope they find a new aesthetic.
amelius大约 2 年前
My guess: it&#x27;s the &quot;movie darkness war&quot;.<p>See also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loudness_war" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loudness_war</a>
rvba大约 2 年前
&gt; (No, it isn’t to “hide bad CG.”)<p>The article just rules this out without any citations. CGI is outsourced to lowest bidder and it looks as it looks.<p>The Batman scene shown in article reeks of cheap CGI, probably on a green screen.
fallingfrog大约 2 年前
I feel like it’s because tv sets have more dynamic range now, and cameras are more sensitive, so there’s less reason to compress the brightness values into a narrow, bright range. After all if the tv set has really dark darks and really bright brights you want those to pop. You want to use that if it’s available. If cameras are crappy and tv signals are noisy, then the lighting has to be really bright and the picture has to be really bright too in order to see it at all. We’re just used to a very low quality signal.
amelius大约 2 年前
So what VLC filters are people using to make movies more enjoyable?
Euphorbium大约 2 年前
It is because you are supposed to be watching them in a dark room.
Arbortheus大约 2 年前
Why do streaming services like Netflix compress the fuck out of dark colours. I actually don’t have a bad TV so can watch these dark movies and TV shows, but the blacks are blocky compressed messes. I have a good internet connection and all the rest of the video feed looks fine, but any dark areas just look awful.
m463大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve struggled with dark movies because my current screen is OLED.<p>(It&#x27;s magnified in a living room that I can&#x27;t truly darken during the day).<p>OLED has such dark blacks that what used to be dim is now no-light-at-all-black.<p>HDR also seems to affect things, but I&#x27;m not certain if and how much it contributes to the problem (or is a solution).
odiroot大约 2 年前
I can take dark but why are cinemas so insanely loud nowadays? And yet it is hard to hear the dialogue.
no1groyp大约 2 年前
Nobody knows that mastering gamma changed from 2.2 to bt1886 (2.4) in&#x2F;around 2018. All movies now are mastered for 2.4 now. This is a big reason, most unfamiliar with production don’t realize.
dstanko大约 2 年前
Surprisingly no mention of Barry Lyndon, for which Kubrick had special cameras&#x2F;lenses designed so he could film scenes lit by candlelight without extra lighting. That movie plays like series of paintings.
user3939382大约 2 年前
I’ve often fantasized about building a movie database that averages the lightness of all pixels in all frames to create a sortable score. I hate watching movies where for 120+ minutes it’s night or dark.
xavor大约 2 年前
If it&#x27;s going to be dark may as well make it a radio shor or audio book. If I watch a movie, I want to see something meaningful.
crazygringo大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s a solution here and I don&#x27;t know why nobody&#x27;s talking about implementing it.<p>First, some context: the problem of dark scenes is the same problem as unintelligible dialog is the same problem as a lot of classical music being quieter than pop music.<p>All of these creators are striving for <i>greater range</i>. Dark scenes work fantastically if you watch them on a bright screen in a pitch-black room. Dialog is perfectly intelligible in surround sound at full volume, and marvelously expressive. And classical music is delicately soft and then powerfully loud in an otherwise perfectly quiet room, to incredible effect.<p>But as soon as you&#x27;re watching on a screen in a normally lit room, or listening on your TV speakers while people are talking in the kitchen, or trying to listen to classical in your car with the sounds of traffic... it <i>all falls apart</i>.<p>The solution is what audio engineers have known about for decades, which is called <i>compression</i>. Compression is: make the quiet parts of the classical music almost as loud as the loud parts. Boost the dialog channel so the mumbling parts are almost as loud as regular conversation. And boost the brightness of dark scenes. Compress the range -- go back to <i>less range</i>.<p>But we don&#x27;t want to mess with the source material when viewing&#x2F;listening in ideal conditions, because we want to keep that awesomeness. So we need <i>dynamic compression</i>. Which isn&#x27;t really that hard.<p>A television can have an ambient light sensor just like your MacBook does, to boost dark scenes when you watch during the day, but not at light with the lights off.<p>A television can have a cheap microphone to detect ambient noise, and also be aware of its own volume setting, and so boost dialog at low volume settings and when it&#x27;s noisy around, using the surround sound signal. (And a MacBook or iPad or iPhone can do this too.)<p>And your car radio or phone music player can apply dynamic audio compression to your classical music as well, similarly using a microphone to detect the need to compensate for the rumble of traffic or conversation in the coffee shop.<p>What baffles me is that all of this is possible <i>right now</i>, and it&#x27;s actually <i>trivial</i> to implement, relatively speaking. (There&#x27;s a bunch of tuning involved to make it work well and feel perceptually natural, but it&#x27;s not like we need to invent new types of signal processing or anything.)<p>But nobody&#x27;s even <i>talking</i> about dynamic compression as the solution. And I just don&#x27;t get it. Why not?
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asimovfan大约 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7JRHmS-fGEA">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7JRHmS-fGEA</a>
steponlego大约 2 年前
&gt;no, it isn&#x27;t to hide bad CG<p>Yes, yes it is. Black Panther&#x27;s CGI was notoriously awful even by 1990&#x27;s standards.
julienreszka大约 2 年前
How much do you think people would pay for a plugin that makes a style transfer that makes movies brighter?
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prakashn27大约 2 年前
I hate that all the movies these days are so dark. 1&#x2F;10 movies i stop watching because of this.
brudgers大约 2 年前
Low light might help with designing digital backgrounds since low dynamic range makes for simpler lighting design...i.e. you can get further with a few diffuse sources in the computer model. That will speed up rendering versus high dynamic range and more sources.<p>So it&#x27;s cheaper and faster and movie making is a business.
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mkl95大约 2 年前
Cheaper, plus these days it will be watchable on a decent monitor