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Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to prove they aren’t bots

43 点作者 vitabenes大约 2 年前

28 条评论

weego大约 2 年前
I watched a snippet of him on Les Fridmans podcast. Now, granted Fridman has kind of outed himself as a complete hack more recently.<p>Watching those two wring their hands over whether GPT is &#x27;conscious&#x27; cemented my opinion that this is all just choreographed pantomime and a white tech-upper class quasi cult.<p>Anything inflating his ideas into personal space is just a land-grab now.
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Eisenstein大约 2 年前
&gt; Worldcoin’s parent company, Tools for Humanity, insists that the process will someday be fully open-source and run by the nonprofit Worldcoin Foundation.<p>Where have I heard that before... I think it was another Sam Altman venture. Deja vu here, someone help me out.
exitb大约 2 年前
<i>&gt; A.I.-powered system for evenly distributing money to the world’s population, a form of universal basic income. (...) When a person is scanned, verified, and onboarded to Worldcoin, they are given 25 proprietary crypto tokens, which are also called Worldcoins. The tokens may carry the promise of future riches, but they’re worthless unless the project launches at scale.</i><p>Wait, what?
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wolfium3大约 2 年前
Terrible idea. Any form of biometrics are effectively passwords that can not be changed&#x2F;rotated. If the data is compromised&#x2F;leaked even once, it&#x27;s useless.<p>Edit: That said, one of the other commented this: &quot;Eyeballs are usernames not passwords&quot;. I think that&#x27;s ok-ish...
autophagian大约 2 年前
Maybe when an LLM finally automates my career out of existence, I can make a comfortable living as a kind of ocular bandit, harvesting people&#x27;s eyeballs for sweet, sweet, Worldcoin™
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DebtDeflation大约 2 年前
If you could collect biometric data from every person on the planet and then deploy a simple authentication tool that uses it, you can collect a slice of every financial and commercial transaction that takes place anywhere. Every bank, every credit card company, every payment processor, every retailer both online and brick and mortar, every B2C company in existence would have to pay you around the clock. Conversely, cross them in any way, and your ability to buy or sell anything would be eliminated instantly.
dtagames大约 2 年前
The real stupidity of this, aside from the horrible privacy implications, is the belief that somehow interacting with this device is proving you&#x27;re human, as the article describes it. Actually, the <i>human</i> operating the device has decided that you are a human. If that person is verifying your ID, they&#x27;re probably doing so with regular old real-world documents.<p>What the device is sending upline is nothing more than a number. That number can be used to identify you (with or without a password) and can and will also be used in all the other (bad) ways that identifying information is used. There is nothing special about capturing it with an orb or scanning your eyeballs. That&#x27;s techno-mysticism, of which Sam is a big fan.
meindnoch大约 2 年前
&quot;The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can&#x27;t. Not without your help. But you&#x27;re not helping.&quot;
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nkrisc大约 2 年前
&gt; One early adopter, a 30-year-old online entrepreneur living in Portugal, told me over Discord that he hopes his tokens will be worth millions, although he’s been disappointed that Worldcoin keeps delaying the release.<p>Why would something that they’re giving away, to presumably everyone on Earth, become worth millions?
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drtgh大约 2 年前
A biometric password cannot be replaced by the user in case of interception of communications, troyans, or theft of the database where it is stored; once obtained, there is no way back, any service that makes use of a biometric will be compromised forever. Eyes biometrics would force all users to wear glasses with some kind of polarization on a daily basis, and in turn endangers the physical integrity of the user in case of robbery with violence.<p>Also the privacy of the users would be compromised, a biometric is unique ID (during the time you are not sick), that means traceability.<p>All hardware is hackable. Nothing will prevent someone from analyzing the system and creating accounts for the distributed bots.<p>&gt; How do we prove each person is real? Worldcoin’s solution is cataloging every individual over 18 years old through a privacy-preserving protocol, rewarding each person with cryptocurrency, which in turn will become the new global monetary standard.<p>Ignoring the contradictory paragraph about protecting privacy, it sounds like promoting a crypto using a captcha -that will harm the user on long term- as an advertising for trying to take control of fake money. Is this morally upright?<p>&gt; In two investigations, published on back-to-back days in April 2022 by BuzzFeed News and MIT Tech Review, journalists alleged that Worldcoin trials in developing countries were riddled with deceptive promises made both to orb operators and participants. Other allegations included privacy law violations and even corruption.<p>I am not surprised.
swader999大约 2 年前
Ok so I got my balls scanned and I&#x27;m ready to sell them out to the highest bidding AI that wants to post on my behalf. Where do I sign up? Is there an app, api or a crypto for that?
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I_am_tiberius大约 2 年前
What shocked me was that 2 months ago during an interview he said that he does not understand why we would need decentralized services (web3, defi). Then 1 month later, when SVB collapsed, he literally started crying on Twitter. I would be interested what he says now. I think it&#x27;s clear that how the blockchain community represents itself via social networks is not great, but I don&#x27;t trust anyone who doesn&#x27;t understand why it&#x27;s absolutely necessary to have decentralized finance. Not sure if Sam doesn&#x27;t understand it or has political&#x2F;other motivations for his public opinion about this.<p>Here&#x27;s the timestamp of the interview I&#x27;m referring to. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;57OU18cogJI?t=1010" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;57OU18cogJI?t=1010</a>
bertman大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s starting to feel like AI people are becoming the new Crypto Bros.
pgt大约 2 年前
Eyeballs are usernames not passwords.
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hanniabu大约 2 年前
These are the type of scams that give crypto a bad name and tarnish projects like ethereum. Silicon valley VC grifters just trying to steal everyone&#x27;s data with the promise of having their basic needs met. Wtf is wrong with these people.
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andrewfromx大约 2 年前
imagine the scene when you go in for your scan and you hear some mumbling from the tech, strange beeping, and you realize your cover is blown. You are in fact NOT human. RUN!
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_cs2017_大约 2 年前
How is retina scan any safer than a password, an RSA key fob, etc? Someone can take a scan of my retina secretly (maybe not this year, but surely in the near future); someone can threaten me to take my retina scan; someone can steal a scan I uploaded somewhere; someone can steal from worldcoin the partial information about my retina that they store.<p>Am I missing some fundamental reasons why retina scan is better than other authentication techniques?
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heavyset_go大约 2 年前
Your pictures and personal communications aren&#x27;t enough, they want your iris scans, too.<p>They&#x27;re just going to sell this data for identification purposes.
mrtksn大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s in the same vein of using blockchain to track real world objects or use CAPTCHA to fight bots. It all fail on the human-machine interface because the definitions on what is real, where something starts and ends falls apart on edge cases and computers are all about edge cases. Consider a fail-proof CAPTCHA, me personally or through hired humans solving it doesn&#x27;t prove that the rest of the operations are not conducted by a bot. Consider genuine item tracking with blockchain, it still depends on me digitising the real life item and the blockchain can guarantee only whan happens after that.<p>So this is a weak attempt to solve the human-machine interface problem. Put all the other creepy stuff aside, scanning a retina would not prove that I&#x27;m an individual who is entitled to the 25 tokens. The first thing people would do is to exploit as many people as possible to take their tokens.<p>The whole exercise of machine scanning a real life object to verify authenticity is useless.
miki123211大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m a blind person with missing eyes (one is medically classified as missing, the other as underdeveloped). This technology kinda terrifies me.
2OEH8eoCRo0大约 2 年前
So Sam Altman&#x27;s OpenAI tech is partly responsible for unleashing a deluge of bots and generated content onto the internet and then he tries to sell you proof that you exist?<p>I think the plan sucks but it does try to solve a fundamental problem. The internet is rapidly becoming a boring dystopia sewer partly because the cost of unleashing bots and generated content continues to decrease. Proving that people on the internet are real and who they say they are is tough. Part of what makes this effortless IRL is the threat of jail (fake ID? you&#x27;d have to lie to the government) and that a human IRL doesn&#x27;t scale (you can only be in one place and doing one thing at a time).<p>You cannot have a town square where it is possible to be anonymous.
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StefanWestfal大约 2 年前
I am not in the loop on the tech but how secure are eyeball scans?<p>I remember seeing the CCC breaking &quot;facial&quot; recognition to unlock a phone by just taking a picture of the owner on a park bench.
Barrin92大约 2 年前
The idea of a global id system that pays everyone some basic income is actually pretty decent and admirable but this entire thing is wild.<p>&quot;This here is our orb which scans your eyeball for biometric data so our AI company can pay you in something called Worldcoin&quot; isn&#x27;t tech, that&#x27;s a whole ass Deus Ex plotline. Only thing missing is Bob Page popping out of nowhere. You better hire the best PR team on available for that one.
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boeingUH60大约 2 年前
Between this and the Open AI hype, I can&#x27;t shake the feeling that Sam Altman is an effective huckster.
_zllx大约 2 年前
We do need a base layer of human verification for several reasons that will make themselves clear in the coming years. Can we maybe try that with a system of IRL humans and inherently pro-privacy tech like ZK proofs, instead of a system of proprietary soul-sucking nightmare orbs? Be creative, think outside the orb.<p>Also, such a system doesn&#x27;t need any kind of currency attached to it.
Euphorbium大约 2 年前
Straight from the minority report.
tgv大约 2 年前
What&#x27;s wrong with these people? Hubris? They all seem keen on joining the ranks of Elon Musk and Lord Buckethead (whose policy to fight traffic jams, obesity <i>and</i> bike theft was providing free bicycles for all).
baxtr大约 2 年前
Not so dumb for him personally I guess.<p>He placed a large AI bet and in parallel a Crypto bet… nice strategy.