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Postman Flows: the next generation of software development

45 点作者 vishnumenon大约 2 年前

18 条评论

benatkin大约 2 年前
&gt; Postman Flows is a generation leap in software development.<p>I think not. It seems like Yahoo! Pipes. It&#x27;s cool but I don&#x27;t see most devs using it. And FWIW Scratch is way cooler.<p>It could still be nice but that&#x27;s exaggerating it a whole lot, I think.<p>Pipedream could be much further along. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pipedream.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pipedream.com&#x2F;</a>
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preommr大约 2 年前
I have high hopes for this.<p>Postman somehow managed to make a slow, bloated, piece-of-crap api-tester that&#x27;s somehow wildly popular. Extrapolating from that, I expect this to be incredibly successful regardless of how good it is.
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throwway120385大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t know why but I&#x27;m always tickled when someone comes up with yet another data-oriented &#x2F; flow diagram programming language like NI LabView. And my first thought is always &quot;this will break down exactly like LabView and for the same reasons.&quot; Someone will inevitably come up with a use case that is just a little too complicated but without any mechanism to go from data flow to program code there are going to be some really painful migrations.
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prng2021大约 2 年前
The 101st, no 1001st, iteration of a no-code platform. Soon to support low-code as well I’m sure.
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jawns大约 2 年前
I love the idea of this. Reminds me of Yahoo Pipes, which was years ahead of its time.<p>But I&#x27;m not so sure they&#x27;re going to get the adoption they&#x27;re after.<p>Even the developers I know who are enthusiastic about Postman for its core offering haven&#x27;t really responded to Postman&#x27;s push to move more of the development cycle into the application, and I can&#x27;t imagine this will be the thing to pull them in.
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api大约 2 年前
It depresses me that SaaS is called “software” in the same way that software you can run is software.<p>Plugging together APIs to services isn’t the same thing as creating software people can actually run.<p>Pragmatically your service Rube Goldberg machine breaks as soon as anything it’s made of makes a breaking change or goes down.<p>Then there’s the fact that anything built this way has zero privacy, a massive security surface area that you can’t even know let alone control, and eternal rent that must be paid for every piece that can be raised at any time.<p>What a dystopia we created. I say we because we all did it. We had to make software “free” and killed commercial software business models, but the only thing we accomplished was to push it all to the cloud and to a model that is substantially more closed than closed source commercial ever was.<p>Lesson: you get what you incentivize. Always, always, always ask “what is being incentivized here?”
PaulDavisThe1st大约 2 年前
I would love to see a new term to replace &quot;software development&quot; that describes the sorts of task that Postman (Flows) are appropriate for. &quot;Application development&quot; is a bit of a throwback, but it&#x27;s a good start.<p>This stuff has nothing to do with the majority of software development if measured by task type, even if it has everything to do with the majority of &quot;software development&quot; if narrowed down to browser&#x2F;web-centric data presentation and editing domains.<p>This has nothing to offer embedded systems, creative software, operating systems, high performance computing, LLMs and so much more.
stonogo大约 2 年前
The next generation of software development won&#x27;t cost $20&#x2F;mo to use.
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dzhiurgis大约 2 年前
Coming from Salesforce ecosystem where they literally have same no-code tool called Flow, here are the problems:<p>1. not performant<p>2. clunky ui makes hard to iterate - you frequently need to duplicate tabs<p>3. gets very messy pretty quickly<p>4. enables dumb people design terrible solutions (ok for small biz, terrible for big complex firms)<p>5. little ways to test or debug<p>6. underlying representation is impossible to use in git<p>7. impossible to refactor<p>The worst part Salesforce sells this extremely hard and tons of smart important people fall for it.
theogravity大约 2 年前
How is this the next generation if Yahoo Pipes did it over 16 years ago (wiki says launched in 2007)?<p>It&#x27;s nice to see a modern version of it, though.
nirav72大约 2 年前
I’m trying to figure why they consider this the next generation of software dev when there are quite a few orcastration tools similar to this that have been out for a while and have a community behind them. n8n or node-red are just two examples that come to mind.
oregano大约 2 年前
Their demo looks nice in terms of the ‘flow’ building UX. I’d be willing to bet they’re using React Flow[0] as the primary rendering engine of this tool.<p>[0] reactflow.dev
rangledangle大约 2 年前
Ah a new low-code tool that will come up when I mash my face against the keyboard. Nice!
Mandatum大约 2 年前
Finally n8n with some funding. Or Tines, but less expensive (and a little bit worse).
sgammon大约 2 年前
&gt; Postman Flows is a generation leap in software development.<p>that&#x27;s a bit of a stretch
bigmattystyles大约 2 年前
Isn&#x27;t this just Jupyter Notebook with a nicer interface?
lowken大约 2 年前
Postman is the most amazing software development tool I have used in my 20+ year career.
throwawaaarrgh大约 2 年前
APIs aren&#x27;t a step forward, they&#x27;re a step back. They&#x27;re a terrible abstraction. Their interfaces are versioned and often not backwards compatible, data exchange is often poorly documented using no common conventions, the underlying HTTP interfaces vary greatly, there&#x27;s no universal way to read the docs, and there is no single standard or convention for them.<p>Compare to Unix. Single way to run something, one simple return status, one basic input stream, two basic output streams, standard key=value pairs that can be inherited and passed on, generic arguments, there&#x27;s usually a man page that fully explains how to use it, and they can be infinitely chained.<p>APIs require way too much &quot;integration&quot; and provide too little utility, and zero composeability. They&#x27;re extra work with less usefulness. But, hey, &quot;it&#x27;s the web&quot;, and we&#x27;re all too chickenshit to buck any trend that starts. We&#x27;re slaves to whatever shitty paradigm takes over on &quot;the web&quot;.<p>The web killed computer science innovation. We&#x27;re just slowly and poorly rebuilding an operating system on top of a browser. But with more complexity and less utility.
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