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Substack Notes Launched

748 点作者 theolivenbaum大约 2 年前

74 条评论

ghiculescu大约 2 年前
I love Substack. But apart from to mess with Twitter I really don’t understand the point of this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;241262-casey-newton&#x2F;note&#x2F;c-14461479">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;241262-casey-newton&#x2F;note&#x2F;c-1446...</a> I’d a good summary. I don’t want to subscribe to hundreds of newsletters to see tweet (sorry, notes). But if you change that setup, it really is a Twitter clone with no upside to writers.
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capital_guy大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve just checked it out and it&#x27;s much closer to a Twitter clone than I anticipated. Now it&#x27;s clear why Elon made the drastic decision to mess with substack links on Twitter. The site is clean and simple.<p>I&#x27;m very disappointed in Musk for essentially ruining one of the world&#x27;s great information platforms. Mastodon was just not the thing people were looking for. I hope this takes off.
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jpmattia大约 2 年前
It wasn&#x27;t like Twitter&#x27;s business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can.<p>Good luck to Substack on eating twitter&#x27;s lunch!<p>Edit: That said, I&#x27;ve found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I&#x27;m curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.
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kritiko大约 2 年前
Looking at Notes, I get why Elon is so mad about it. They totally ripped off the Twitter UI.<p>I follow Ed Zitron&#x27;s Substack, and he is also a prolific Tweeter. He seems to be using Notes the same way he uses Twitter, for shitposting. I&#x27;m not sure that&#x27;s really in line with the tone of Substack.
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posharma大约 2 年前
May be I&#x27;m old, but I love long form content and twitter took that away. People write long tweet threads instead of thinking things through and writing it in long form. This gives rise to tons of twitter thread collapsing tools&#x2F;startups that push the concatenation of these tweets to Notion or whatever. This seems utterly silly to me. It almost looks like tech for the sake of tech. It&#x27;s unfortunate that substack is going in the same direction. Are there no better problems to solve using tech?
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Confiks大约 2 年前
Compare the two homepages without cookies [1][2]. The rounded buttons in orange instead of Twitter-blue. The footer nagbar. The similar navigation menu.<p>Following the whole banning-saga my impression was that Notes was a genuine extension of the Substack platform, but it being a frontend clone explains why such a tantrum was thrown by Musk.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;notes">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;notes</a>
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obblekk大约 2 年前
This is a case where an algorithmic feed would make this into a truly amazing product.<p>I don&#x27;t want email spam from every follower, but do want to see the best snippets on substack.<p>Super easy to create a for you page, given text content:<p>Step 1: embed every article I ever read, or note I liked&#x2F;comment&#x2F;share and stuff it in a DB.<p>Step 2: every time a new note is posted (by anyone anywhere), embed it, search the db for my last 100 embedded items, and see if new note has relevance &gt; 50%. If so, add it to my feed inventory. Resort my feed inventory by semantic relevance every hour. Remove items older than 7 days from feed inventory every hour.<p>Step 3: On page load, move everything in my feed inventory to my feed archive - never rerank again. (Bonus points for tracking note level views rather than assuming all were viewed, but small detail).<p>Bonus Step 4: Every 4th item in my feed inventory, intersperse something that&#x27;s solely there based on popularity&#x2F;top liked note of all notes visible to all of my followings. i.e., show me something possibly irrelevant but viral.<p>That&#x27;ll get you pretty far, each step can be endlessly optimized over time.<p>I want to see the results of this so bad that I&#x27;ll volunteer to build v1 this weekend if you really don&#x27;t have time to do it internally. Tiktok for text... could be amazing.
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xd1936大约 2 年前
This would be much more interesting to me if it was a member of the Fediverse and supported ActivityPub.
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charlierguo大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been checking out Notes all morning (I write a jargon-free, FOMO-free, AI newsletter). It&#x27;s kind of a weird product launch? My feed is primarily content that the people I subscribe to post or comment on, but I don&#x27;t subscribe to that many people.<p>I&#x27;m not sure what the average number of subscriptions a Substack user has, but it seems like a very echo-chambery setup right now. As an author there are definitely things that I want to share that aren&#x27;t worth of an email, but I&#x27;m pretty sure very few of my audience members are going to see it. Maybe this makes more sense for writers with audiences who are on the Substack app all day.
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PaulHoule大约 2 年前
Substack really competes with creators leaving and setting up their own newsletter + payment gateway software. That’s like a $20,000 or so project from a web dev firm and for a creator who gets $200,000 a year from their newsletter it pays for itself in a year. The trouble is that substack makes almost all of its money from two handfuls of users who make more than that so if substack loses those creators it is left with all the expenses but none of the revenue.<p>The question about any feature they add is “what does it do about that situation?”
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skybrian大约 2 年前
It’s a start. Hopefully they’ll improve the reader experience. Having a single general-purpose forum (a “firehose”) doesn’t really work for me since it’s so random, but with so little content, it’s probably necessary for now.<p>Subscribing needs improvement. Subscribing to a hashtag might make sense? It seems like subscribing to someone’s notes and their blog should be independent, because maybe someone has a good blog but you don’t care for their notes, or vice-versa. Having them tied together also doesn’t work for people like me who use RSS. I don’t usually want email from blogs I read, so I only subscribe to blogs where I’m interested in the paid content and usually turn the email off.<p>I think this loses what makes Substack interesting, though, which is keeping the community for each blog separate, so you don’t care what people are saying on other blogs that you don’t read. Putting everyone in one community, or an unclear blob of overlapping communities, seems likely to be bad for the same reasons Twitter can often be bad.<p>I guess blogs need discovery, though, and maybe external sites aren’t enough?<p>(I think I’ll repost this as a note, since they need the content.)
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processing大约 2 年前
<i>clicks link to Notes</i><p>“Log in to Substack”<p><i>closes tab</i>
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s1k3s大约 2 年前
Does anyone know what software they use to make these short demo videos? I see them in lots of app landing pages and I&#x27;m curious how to make them.
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rchaud大约 2 年前
Wow, didn&#x27;t exactly stick their necks out on the design did they? Almost zero visual differentiation from the noisy flamewars of Twitter this is supposed to be the antidote to.
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user00012-ab大约 2 年前
One thing I noticed right away, is when I scrolled down their page it didn&#x27;t pop up that horrible popup all substack pages have asking you to subscribe; maybe they can ditch Notes and implement that feature on the rest of substack.
oldstrangers大约 2 年前
Curious how they plan to handle handles. Right now they&#x27;re using full names for link text and having the URL as the unique identifier. Seems difficult to account for in the actual notes when you have multiple instances of the same name or full name (for example I&#x27;m @Zachary).
praisewhitey大约 2 年前
defaulting to a &quot;Home&quot; feed that includes posts from people I&#x27;ve never heard of is a bad start<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;notes">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substack.com&#x2F;notes</a>
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keiferski大约 2 年前
Substack has been adding a lot of random features lately and it makes me worry that they will lose focus on the email newsletter aspect of their platform, which is what I like about it.
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13years大约 2 年前
So, I gave it a try today. Was hopeful, because on Twitter all my posts go essentially into the void.<p>However, Substack Notes seems to have no method for discovery. They add some random larger accounts to my feed.<p>You can&#x27;t search Notes to find people posting content in order to find others potentially interested in similar content.<p>So, unless you already have a large following, seems like posting into another void. People are reluctant to follow you as well, since you must subscribe to the persons newsletter, they are the same action.
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nullgeo大约 2 年前
The sign in flow is completely broken for me. I am signing up with an email, after I click the verification link it takes me to a page where I need to enter my email yet again. Here it says I already might have an account and sends another verification email which does the same thing again. Also found other issues the site after going to the home page. Multiple modals overlapping with the sign in flow.
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dang大约 2 年前
Url changed from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;cjgbest&#x2F;status&#x2F;1645804524068818945" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;cjgbest&#x2F;status&#x2F;1645804524068818945</a>, which (sort of) points to this.
abhayhegde大约 2 年前
Is that basically like Twitter then? A micro-blogging feature?<p>Maybe that&#x27;s why Twitter had blocked retweeting links containing to Substack.
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oefrha大约 2 年前
Honestly, you can basically do all of Substack + this Notes thing in Tumblr, maybe minus the email newsletter. Damn, that’s something I haven’t heard about in a long time; apparently they support paid content now.
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amadeuspagel大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve already noted that when you select text on substack, it shows a popover with a &quot;ReStack Quote&quot; button. I think when any blogging platform — medium does this as well — shows a popover when you select text, it&#x27;s over. Selecting text is such a natural mechanic, there are so many reasons you might want to select text, I often even do it to &quot;play&quot; with the text, or to focus on a specific part.
0xDEF大约 2 年前
Substack is an &quot;absolute free speech&quot; app. They have gotten away with it so far because nobody could see the highly offensive content unless they actively sought after it and subscribed.<p>However now that Substack is becoming more like a conventional social media platform they will have a harder time being an &quot;absolute free speech&quot; app.
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asenna大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been enjoying Farcaster in recent months. I think they&#x27;ve taken a very thoughtful approach with the &quot;sufficiently decentralized&quot; philosophy [1] and that openness is now helping them grow the ecosystem of apps using the network.<p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.varunsrinivasan.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;11&#x2F;sufficient-decentralization-for-social-networks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.varunsrinivasan.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;11&#x2F;sufficient-decent...</a>
hiidrew大约 2 年前
I have mixed feelings about this and some of the other twitters clones I&#x27;ve been experimenting with: bluesky, mastodon, read.cv&#x27;s posts, farcaster. They&#x27;re reminding me of the wave of audio-first social features that came after the Clubhouse hype.<p>Though I do appreciate the niche focuses of these apps, e.g. posts is primarily designers, farcaster is a lot of crypto people, etc, I still use Twitter for most of my content discovery.
guywithahat大约 2 年前
While cool, this has coincided with Substack not paying the twitter API fee and you can no longer embed tweets on new articles (at least for now)
japhyr大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m looking forward to trying this, but the app crashed after posting my first reply to someone. Busy day for Substack engineers, I imagine!
barbazoo大约 2 年前
Big Twitter alternative announced on ... Twitter
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lpolovets大约 2 年前
I’m a little unclear on what subscribing means in the context of Notes + Newsletters. Does subscribing to someone in the Notes product mean I’m also subscribed to emails from the person? If so, that’s not a great dynamic — I’d like to follow 100s of people in Notes, but that doesn’t mean I want to subscribe to 100s of newsletters.
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bostonvaulter2大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised no one seems to have commented on the lack of usernames, I think the lack of usernames may hinder adoption since it&#x27;s much harder to follow someone just from seeing a tweet, err note, displayed. With Substack Notes you&#x27;ll need to know the user&#x27;s id, or search by their non-unique name.
buzzwords大约 2 年前
The fact that I have to be signed in to see people&#x27;s notes&#x2F;tweets means that I will not use it any time soon.
1attice大约 2 年前
I honestly can&#x27;t imagine a better marketing campaign for Substack Notes than Elon &#x27;Streisand Effect&#x27; Musk&#x27;s ongoing shenanigans.<p>I&#x27;m left in awe of the wranglers at SpaceX and Tesla who have managed to keep the companies in question profitable despite being surgically sewn to a narcissistic fauntleroy
Thorentis大约 2 年前
They should add a paid add-on where writers can have an LLM generate snippets from their articles and then post them as notes automatically in order to generate a bite sized feed from existing content. Gives Substack a foot in the AI door and paves the way for timelines and algorithmic feeds, etc.
papito大约 2 年前
I can see why Elon is hysterical. An actual long-form publisher, with content creators, with proper &quot;blue checks&quot; and a customer base paying for more than vanity badges. I spent a few minutes on it, and yeah, it IS a Twitter clone, and it&#x27;s a real threat.
abzolv大约 2 年前
I use a unique email address for each substack author that I subscribe to. That is incompatible with Notes.
exizt88大约 2 年前
Looks very good. I wonder how the product team is thinking about user retention. I caught myself thinking &quot;Huh, there&#x27;s a lot of interesting content here — I hope I don&#x27;t forget to look at it tomorrow&quot;. Not sure how to solve that without being annoying, TBH.
7h3rAm大约 2 年前
Social network must be a protocol, not a platform. That&#x27;s the only way to gurantee free speech and cencorship resistance. Nostr[1] is proving to be a good first step in this direction.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nostr.how&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nostr.how&#x2F;</a>
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Sirikon大约 2 年前
&gt; Sub stack dot com &#x2F; notes<p>Elon&#x27;s regexp for matching Substack links just got defeated.
hackerlight大约 2 年前
Does anyone have a method to discover good writers on Substack? There&#x27;s so much trash there that I&#x27;m tuning out every writer that publishes on Substack, except for a small handful that I already knew about.
runjake大约 2 年前
As far as I can tell, there&#x27;s no Substack app (at least for iOS) that allows posting?<p>If so, I don&#x27;t really see this taking a notable chunk out of Twitter until this happens.<p>I see a Substack Reader app, but it&#x27;s more or less read-only.
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hrpnk大约 2 年前
I use Substack by subscribing to every blog with a unique email address, just as one would do for a newsletter.<p>Forcing me to login to a single account is not going to work beyond a single email address that I can pick.
abledon大约 2 年前
People may berate twitter as being a &#x27;simple&#x27; app, but everyone uses it because everyone is already there. Substack can&#x27;t clone that &#x27;first mover&#x27; advantage.
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cyclecount大约 2 年前
Seems like their infrastructure is not holding up today (a good sign that the launch has got a lot of attention?). I cannot load article pages without 2-3 tries.
ctvo大约 2 年前
I love that it looks identical to Twitter but is orange.<p>I love that it&#x27;s going to enrage Elon. He&#x27;s going to realize that he paid 44 billion for something that&#x27;s going to lose users to Substack&#x27;s side project.
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MasterScrat大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m looking for a new platform to write technical blog posts, is Substack the right place?<p>I&#x27;m basically looking for the &quot;Medium from when Medium was good&quot;
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getcrunk大约 2 年前
I was in mobile and clicked the link to try notes and it redirected me to App Store. Lol<p>So much for giving a new platform a try. I will never use this
padraic7a大约 2 年前
I can&#x27;t see a single Note without logging in, or in my case creating an account. That&#x27;s a hard limit on exploration.
that_guy_iain大约 2 年前
Whoever approved that name must be crazy. Googling that is coming up with everything else. Looking on the AppStore is the same.
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perceptronas大约 2 年前
I wonder, if Substack Notes fail – will Substack survive? It feels like they are pivoting into not-that profitable domain
j45大约 2 年前
Substack notes is an interesting reimagining of blog post comments to be presented in a more familiar social media style.
hnaouesteuho大约 2 年前
I wonder if the founders really want to be launching this, or if this is a move pushed by their VCs.
tedmiston大约 2 年前
<i>Coming Soon: Substack Orange</i>
upstream大约 2 年前
Substack and Beehiv is my favorite.
gumby大约 2 年前
Is there a way to follow notes via RSS? This is how I read regular substack posts.
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jononomo大约 2 年前
I think it would be fantastic if Substack Notes were to become dominant and replace Twitter.
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sidcool大约 2 年前
As much as I love Twitter, I welcome the competition. Twitter needs a vitamin shot
mrwnmonm大约 2 年前
I can&#x27;t take it anymore
ticviking大约 2 年前
If this isn’t in app I don’t see how it has any way to get traction.
seydor大约 2 年前
But the name ... couldnt they name it &quot;Stacks&quot; or something
astroalex大约 2 年前
All substack.com pages freeze for me on iOS Firefox. Anyone else?
therealmarv大约 2 年前
Dead on arrival. You cannot transfer a crowd to another platform.
wdb大约 2 年前
Looks like you can’t explore Notes without signing up? Bummer
mrahmadawais大约 2 年前
Perfect way to grow Substack. Didn&#x27;t see this coming.
rldjbpin大约 2 年前
i am not an avid user of either platforms, but substack just seems like another take at medium to me, more than twitter.<p>am i missing something in my understanding?
Eumenes大约 2 年前
On this episode of a boring dystopia: a twitter clone
phtrivier大约 2 年前
You can now start a timer until they announce that they&#x27;re going to algorithmically organize the feed of &quot;Notes&quot; because &quot;chronological order is too hard to follow.&quot;<p>Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles.<p>Then the ads - no, wait, the &quot;sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc...<p>Maybe they won&#x27;t. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they&#x27;ll pull it off. But I can&#x27;t help seing this as the next step towards enshitification. In the words of a 21s century social media author : &quot;so sad&quot;.
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orsenthil大约 2 年前
Can I look at a note without logging in first?
yawnxyz大约 2 年前
wish they could have an API soon so you could create new notes &#x2F; posts and get a list of them
abzolv大约 2 年前
If you subscribe to someone’s Notes you also subscribe to their email articles. No thank you, especially if aal their articles are behind a paywall. Not sure why Musk is so freaked out over Notes. Probably just general paranoia.
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coldpie大约 2 年前
For me, it&#x27;s just an empty login form, and I&#x27;m not going to register an account just to see what&#x27;s there.<p>I&#x27;m sympathetic to the idea of paying for content directly (I spend over $100&#x2F;mo on Patreon), but I feel like Substack has cultivated a nasty branding issue for themselves. To me, and I know I&#x27;m not alone, Substack is where you go when you want to hear some 17-year-old who got high for the first time tell you what THE MANNNN doesn&#x27;t want you to know, duuude. Greenwald and Taibbi and the like. I guess there&#x27;s probably other types of content on there, but that&#x27;s all I ever see from the domain.<p>Anyway I&#x27;m not going to register an account to see whatever&#x27;s going on with Notes. Good luck, guys.
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DanHulton大约 2 年前
...and his actions. He&#x27;s not just a nebulous political creature, thinking thoughts but not acting upon them. He&#x27;s actually _doing_ things that people might rightly not agree with.<p>Not to mention, a good chunk of those actual actions have resulted in Twitter being a legitimately worse place for a great number of people to spend time on&#x2F;engage with, and thus they... leave.
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Obertr大约 2 年前
twitter, is that you dude? what happened?