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Rust Is Dead to Me

54 点作者 stargrave大约 2 年前

14 条评论

echelon大约 2 年前
The Rust Foundation is absolute bonkers and they don&#x27;t deserve stewardship of the language.<p>Here&#x27;s a fantastic video on the controversy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gutR_LNoZw0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gutR_LNoZw0</a><p>I can&#x27;t believe this petty, in-group absurdity. It&#x27;s Home Owners Association-level bullshit the likes of which I&#x27;ve never seen before in the software community.<p>They&#x27;ve created thousands of ways you <i>can&#x27;t</i> create Rust events or even associate yourself with the language. It&#x27;s 100% exclusionary and seems to go well beyond trademark protection.<p>The language doesn&#x27;t belong to them.<p>I&#x27;m half minded to fork Rust and call it &quot;Crust&quot; or &quot;Crab Language&quot;.
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neilv大约 2 年前
Wrong lede, IMHO.<p>The article starts with the desire to attend Rust conferences while strapped with firepower. Unfortunately, that&#x27;s a loaded (ha) topic, which I&#x27;d guess will alienate maybe half the readers of the article, before they learn that there&#x27;s things in the draft that <i>do</i> bother them...<p>Just flipping around the draft, I see things like this:<p>&gt; <i>5.1.2 Websites</i><p>&gt; <i>You may use the Word Marks and Logos, but not the Trade Dress, on your webpage to show your support for the Project as long as:</i><p>I think anyone will use these terms and senses of &quot;Rust&quot;, &quot;Cargo&quot;, and &quot;Clippy&quot; on Web pages for most whatever purposes they want, not only to &quot;show [their] support for the Project&quot;.<p>There&#x27;s more in the draft like that.<p>At first glance, this Rust Trademark Policy looks like it could function like a treaty amongst a handful of megacorps. It could also be used to carve out of a fiefdom.<p>Rust is clearly designed for systems programmers. Systems programmers learn to be savvy about standards and vendor dependencies, and (when they have a choice) to weigh what they invest in.<p>Personally, I&#x27;m all for open standards, building solid systems, and &quot;defending the Internet&quot;. I don&#x27;t yet know what to make of this document.
jhanschoo大约 2 年前
See also:<p>Java logo and mark guidelines (also cf. javascript&#x2F;ECMAScript, mysql): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oracle.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;trademarks.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oracle.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;trademarks.html</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oracle.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;ocom&#x2F;docs&#x2F;java-licensing-logo-guidelines-1908204.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oracle.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;ocom&#x2F;docs&#x2F;java-licensing-logo-guide...</a><p>Google&#x27;s attempt to trademark Go: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trademarks.justia.com&#x2F;881&#x2F;00&#x2F;go-88100955.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trademarks.justia.com&#x2F;881&#x2F;00&#x2F;go-88100955.html</a><p>Python trademark usage guidelines: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.python.org&#x2F;psf&#x2F;trademarks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.python.org&#x2F;psf&#x2F;trademarks&#x2F;</a><p>Perl trademark usage guidelines: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.perlfoundation.org&#x2F;trademarks.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.perlfoundation.org&#x2F;trademarks.html</a><p>Ruby is a counterexample!: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;logo&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;logo&#x2F;</a><p>PHP seems to be a counterexample!: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;logo&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;logo&#x2F;</a><p>PostgreSQL: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.postgresql.org&#x2F;about&#x2F;policies&#x2F;trademarks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.postgresql.org&#x2F;about&#x2F;policies&#x2F;trademarks&#x2F;</a><p>Linux: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lmi.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lmi.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;legal&#x2F;trademark-usage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;legal&#x2F;trademark-usage</a><p>there are many more, but you get the idea<p>I know a couple streamers&#x2F;youtubers have made a big fuss about this (idk about actual developer sentiment), but I don&#x27;t see why this situation is anything exceptional or to be worried about.
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koito17大约 2 年前
Am I the only one that feels a lot of parallels between Rust&#x27;s trademark policy and Mozilla&#x27;s trademark policies in general? IIRC the Mozilla Public License is very restrictive on usage of logos, branding, etc. to the point where patching software to run on your OS would violate it[1].<p>So I am not too surprised by what Rust has been doing. I definitely don&#x27;t like it, but whatever, there&#x27;s enough fights out there to choose from, and Rust&#x27;s trademark policy is not one I&#x27;m picking.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jasperla&#x2F;openbsd-wip&#x2F;issues&#x2F;86">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jasperla&#x2F;openbsd-wip&#x2F;issues&#x2F;86</a>
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Communitivity大约 2 年前
The below language in the draft seems to indicate that the R@$! foundation will have a lock on all paid training courses, meaning professional trainers will need to get a license agreement to operate (presumably with a fee of some kind). Personally, I think we should all start using R@$! in place of the trademark, until this debacle is dead and buried.<p>&quot;I am running an event for which I am charging attendees for tickets. Can I use the Rust Logo on my promotional materials?<p>If your event is for-profit, you will need approval to use the Rust name or Logo. If you are simply covering costs and the event is non-profit, you may use the Rust name or Logo as long as it is clear that the event is not endorsed by the Rust Foundation. You are free to use Ferris the crab without permission.&quot;
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rich_sasha大约 2 年前
Weird gun moans aside, what about the rest of it? I&#x27;m not familiar with usual T&amp;C&#x27;s for this kind of software foundations, but they seem excessive. Can&#x27;t use the word &quot;rust&quot; in a conference name, product name, can&#x27;t sell swag... I mean, I get they need to protect the name and want some kind of exclusive stewardship but this seems OTT for an open source software project. Or am I wrong?
readthenotes1大约 2 年前
&quot;You may make promotional goods for free giveaway at open source conferences and events provided that the goods are in good taste and compatible with the values of the Project.&quot;<p>Wow. &quot;Good taste&quot;. No rusty dildoes?
peter-m80大约 2 年前
USA Circus
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dpecos大约 2 年前
Honestly, if you think it’s weird not to allow you to have your firearm in a conference, I think you should think twice about it.<p>If it’s a dangerous place, why do you even go? And if it’s not, why the hell would you even need an firearm?<p>I don’t care if you have a permit or not, just the mentality of “I’m going to defend my wife and myself” sounds nuts to anyone not in the states.<p>IMHO that was the only statement from the rust foundation that I could relate to: it makes feel safer knowing that people like you won’t be able to bring guns to these events.
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throwaway202303大约 2 年前
This is yet another example of Rust people forcing their political messages on people. Most techies are progressive to the point of cringe and have no understanding of the issues they are pontificating about. if someone has a legal right to carry a weapon in their state do not demand that right be taken away for a frivolous reason
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xiphias2大约 2 年前
,,I have a concealed carry permit&#x27;&#x27;<p>This is crazy, as a European who lived in a peaceful world all my life I believe it should be illegal to conceal any deadly weapon. A person who does that is danger to everybody.<p>I understand the right for people protecting their own home and being able to protest violently against their government in a need, but going to a conference is none of these.<p>There are pepper sprays that are good for self defence without being able to kill people, why not use those?
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realitysballs大约 2 年前
I’m an American and I think we should revoke the 2nd amendment. Who wants to live in a guns first society?
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lxe大约 2 年前
Why is carrying a firearm such a &quot;hill people choose to die on&quot; item?
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obarthelemy大约 2 年前
Lol. My gun is not welcome, so I&#x27;m not welcome. Whiny snowflake much ? How insecure can one be ? Conferences are much safer for not NOT allowing guns. Don&#x27;t play the victim, and don&#x27;t hurt anyone please.<p>As for trademark control, well, that&#x27;s the way the world is. &quot;Rust&quot; is reserved for official Rust products. If youhave an issue with copyrights and stuff, go vote accordingly, but Rust doesn&#x27;t have much of a choice unless they want to let &quot;Rust&quot; go public domain and let any and every one use it w&#x2F;o any control.
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