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South Korea to give $490 allowance to reclusive youths to help them leave house

180 点作者 acqbu大约 2 年前

35 条评论

Uptrenda大约 2 年前
This is like trying to give someone a band-aid to stop an arterial bleed... I respect that they&#x27;re trying but it won&#x27;t do anything. The hikikomori phenomenon has complex causes:<p>- Untreated mental health problems<p>- Disabilities that undermine or limit social success<p>- Economies with few opportunities for young people<p>- Over-abundance of pressure (disproportionately placed on men): for academic success and career success<p>- Horrible housing market (why work at a crappy job only to lose what few funds you have in rent for a tiny shared apartment? Can you blame these people for not moving out?)<p>- Chronic loneliness (again, worse for men)<p>Most hikikomoris are men and when you never leave the house there&#x27;s no opportunities to meet people. If you want to have the biggest effect on these people’s lives don&#x27;t focus on giving them money. Unironically get them partners. No troll, young people’s social skills have declined beyond recognition and IMO as tech people we are partly to blame for this.
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lordnacho大约 2 年前
One thing that came to mind recently is this imaginary subsidy that I came up with:<p>Give people money to go and eat a meal with strangers. A sit-down meal at a restaurant where you can talk.<p>I think this would benefit society immensely:<p>- New random connection, outside your bubble<p>- Someone who you can talk to, who might have a different point of view<p>- Making it real that there are other people than the ones you know
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BitwiseFool大约 2 年前
It is unfortunate that no one has found a way to replicate or imitate the lifestyle of living on a college campus. I very much miss dormitory style living and the social aspect of it. While I&#x27;m happy to have my own living space that is much larger than any dorm room, I miss all the novelty and variety that the dorms brought to my life.
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stainablesteel大约 2 年前
i&#x27;d like to see subsidies for people to start families<p>screw taking out loans to feed money to the college cartels<p>the equivalent of any bachelors degree is available online, minus lab hours - but you can actually get that if you really want it<p>have people finish with their education by or before ~18 y&#x2F;o. people who would have earned meritocratic scholarships can instead be subsidized to start a family and have children for the next ~10 years, this would allow more of the best to have more children -&gt; a breeding experiment with a good outcome
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danjoredd大约 2 年前
Lets hope they spend it on being social! Going to social events, clubs, get togethers, etc.<p>Thing is though, when I think of when I was 17, I spent almost every penny of every paycheck at my job on video games and movies, and all my friends were the same way.
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908B64B197大约 2 年前
Giving money is nice, but I wonder how much of the problem is due to the incredible pressure put on young people by the traditional Korean society. Dating seems to be closed off to a large number of Koreans who don&#x27;t see a path toward marriage and economic prosperity.<p>Interestingly, a lot of Korean woman seem to think the best place to start a family is ... right here in America! The gender ratio of immigrants to America from South Korea isn&#x27;t 50-50 as one would expect but closer to 60% women. For Japan, another state struggling with fertility and youth isolation, this ratio is about 75%.
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pigtailgirl大约 2 年前
-- hard to say if this will work - i know - visit - people who have not left the house in over a year - they are very genius people who never made - to Samsung or LG or other chaebol - many have gained a lot of weight or are unhappy with appearance - genius and &quot;ugly&quot; - depressed - in Korean culture - not good --
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qikInNdOutReply大约 2 年前
Ah, a little light carrotsnack, after which the beatings can continue until working moral improves. A society so hostile, that people withdraw from it completely is surely able to change the situation, without any changes to itself.<p>I think the best idea would be hikikomori villages. As in standalone towns, were the rest of society is forbidden to enter. Allow them to start something fresh, untainted by the old horror.
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borski大约 2 年前
We actually tried something similar when I ran Tinfoil - people worked really hard and started getting burnt out because they weren’t “getting away from it” at home.<p>Roughly once a month or two, we would pick a 3-day weekend (we made sure to have a 3-day holiday every month anyway) and would reimburse employees up to $80 for doing something that was “outside their norm.” Could be almost anything, but couldn’t be material (i.e. buying a video game). Nobody was forced to, of course, and if people wanted to stay home they could, but we found that folks were much more willing to get out and try something new if it was on the company dime.<p>Plus, then people would inevitably come back with stories to tell their colleagues, which sort of spiraled into encouraging that behavior in the future. We even ended up with an internal wiki page of ideas of “what to do” with your reimbursement weekends, all of which involved getting out and doing things outside or with other people. Not everyone participated every time, but it was definitely one of our most-beloved benefits.
httpz大约 2 年前
Once in a while I&#x27;ll see news from Korea get blown out of proportion and make it to the front page of HN when the same topic didn&#x27;t even make it to the front page of Korean news.<p>This article made it sound like the government will just start paying loners so I had to look up some Korean sources. Apparently, S.Korean government already has a program to financially help &quot;at-risk youths&quot; from households below median income and either not in school or have frequent trouble with the law. The news is now saying they&#x27;ll include reclusive youths in the program. The article doesn&#x27;t really say the criteria to qualify but it&#x27;s not like the government will handout allowances to millions of loners like the title makes it seem.
rasengan大约 2 年前
The affordability for sure helps a small cohort but there are a lot of other reasons not to leave the house that have yet to be addressed. Some of these can’t be addressed by government as there are fundamentally decentralized yet aligned issues relating to culture among other things (for example, SK really shuns baldness [1] so they don’t go outside).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jLhNYl3HVTU">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jLhNYl3HVTU</a>
hinkley大约 2 年前
A Korean movie was making the rounds at film festivals over a decade ago called Castaway on the Moon.<p>The setup: office drone gets fired, has debts, tries to jump off a bridge. He washes up on a river island, can’t get off, and decides to become a hermit. Somehow befriends a shut-in woman (she can see him from her window with a telephoto lens).<p>This thread reminds me of that movie (might still be on YouTube) and that this has been a known problem for some time.
ogurechny大约 2 年前
I suppose the allowance is only given in presence, so they have to leave house to get it. Very creative!
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zitterbewegung大约 2 年前
Honestly I hope this works . It is very close to universal basic income and the justification for UBI will just become larger and larger. What I feel that we will be in situations where smaller and smaller amounts of people are able to be ridiculously productive .
COGlory大约 2 年前
This is damn near what PhD students get paid in the US
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peter303大约 2 年前
I wonder how prevalent hikikomori is in the US?<p>It is similar to agoraphobia in US and Europe. One google reference says 2.4%, i.e. similar to Korea number.
omoikane大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s interesting how &quot;hikikomori&quot; got into common English usage, and now this Japanese word is being used to describe South Korean youths. I would have expected Koreans to have their own word for this condition.
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phendrenad2大约 2 年前
So they&#x27;re going to help them leave the house... by paying them $490&#x2F;month as long as they stay indoors. Interesting.<p>Now, I agree with other commenters that these recluses are probably suffering economic hardship and can&#x27;t afford to flit about the city like a HBO sitcom. So I think that this welfare initiative is probably going to be a great benefit to them... but measuring how many of them leave the house is probably a bad metric, and they&#x27;ll probably shut this program down once they see that the recluses remained reclusive. Oh well.
distant_hat大约 2 年前
A lot of people pooh poohing seem to think that the solution is all or nothing. All conditions have a spectrum, and maybe this would be pointless for people deep on the spectrum, it might be enough to push people on the edge to go out and socialize a bit. It will not turn them into the life of the party but maybe just give some of them a bit more social. Whether the price point is correct, or there is enough ROI on the money put in will have to be seen, but there is nothing &#x27;obvious&#x27; that it would fail.
fallat大约 2 年前
Honestly a great idea. Not being able to afford outings is a huge barrier to socializing.
jollyllama大约 2 年前
Let the NeetBux flow
staringback大约 2 年前
Next headline: 1 bedroom apartments increase by $490&#x2F;mo
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ctoth大约 2 年前
I just read this a couple weeks ago, it&#x27;s called The Real Reason South Koreans Aren&#x27;t Having Babies. If this article is accurate, I doubt a small subsidy is going to change things. It kind of feels like the gender wars have gotten out of control over there on both sides. Worth a read at least.<p>[0]: The Real Reason South Koreans Aren&#x27;t Having Babies: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;ideas&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;south-korea-fertility-rate-misogyny-feminism&#x2F;673435&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;ideas&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;south-kore...</a>
tatrajim大约 2 年前
Maybe some sort of required social service (beyond the required military), especially in the SK countryside where it is badly needed?<p>Only anecdotal, but I went from massively introverted to a more-or-less well adjusted social adult after three years in the peace corps (coincidentally in South Korea). My work in a rural health center required me daily to interact with dozens of people who needed me in a language I was struggling to learn. In the process, I grew to enjoy socializing for the first time and have benefitted from the experience ever since.
dahwolf大约 2 年前
Doesn&#x27;t hurt to try, but I don&#x27;t think giving money to a depressed isolated person will change their ways. They&#x27;ve &quot;pulled back&quot; and somehow manage to get by financially without putting in any effort.<p>Anyway, I recently read that if one is to project SK&#x27;s birth rate far into the future, the country ceases to exist: 94% population decrease. There was also an article describing a rural area where for the first time in 25(!) years, a baby was born.
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rasz大约 2 年前
Bad setup, people will take money and do nothing. Would work much better if they paid young single women to visit and talk to hikikomori.<p>Japan Rental Sisters: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=q9IRmUEsz6g">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=q9IRmUEsz6g</a> $900&#x2F;month for weekly 1hour visits.
zvmaz大约 2 年前
I wonder how the government will find out who is eligible to the allowance and who is not.
chillbill大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s the lack of money that&#x27;s stopping them from leaving.
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MuffinFlavored大约 2 年前
Won&#x27;t they just spend it on video games&#x2F;electronics related things?
rodolphoarruda大约 2 年前
Which other countries observe this youth reclusiveness?
iamnotsure大约 2 年前
When human population planning works too well.
Eumenes大约 2 年前
Gonna prob go to Roblox money printer
whalesalad大约 2 年前
fast forward 3-4 months after stuffing that under the mattress and that is a top-tier GPU lol
sashank_1509大约 2 年前
Reading the article, and the top comments here on HN it feels like an incredible myopia people have against obvious solutions that are staring them in the face. Here’s my solution to solve social isolation, that will never be implemented in South Korea or in the current Zeitgist but will definitely work and possibly future generations will lay in shock that we did not do this (In fact we active prevented this):<p>Create a brotherhood organization, force every male who’s not gainfully employed to join that organization. If they don’t join they go to jail.<p>The fact that no one even suggests some solution in this form shows to me the irrational bias against forcing people to do stuff. Sometimes people of their own volition make bad decisions, this might be mental health or a host of other reasons. Sometimes the solution to the problem if the very thing those people are desperately avoiding and at those times, as someone who knows better, you force them to do what they don’t want and they will be happier for it.<p>I will be the first to admit, this solution won’t work for everyone. There is small percentage (probably as small as 0.1%) who actually don’t need constant social contact and are isolating for other reasons. They might also be geniuses (Gregory Perelman comes to mind). The rest crave social contact, probably need it much more than the average human, and they’re just not getting it because they’ve fallen into a hole and taking small steps to dig yourself out gives huge amounts of negative feedback that they would rather not try. In such a case a higher authority like the government should just force them out of their hole and they’ll thank you for it. The crazy thing is a hundred years ago, this was known everywhere. People were basically not allowed to be alone. In primitive Europe, (around 1600-1700s), if a man was seen idle he was put to work under the law. Every man till around 1900s was forced to be a part of multiple social structures, from your guild, to church, to family, to neighbour hood communities and it was often illegal to not be a part of these structures nor was it clear why one would choose to not be in these structures. Sometimes these structures were enforced by law (such as guilds) and sometimes with social pressure (such as church), but all these structures forced men to have regular contact in multiple forms, multiple times a day. Since late 1950s, most of these structures across the world have vanished and people have suffered with modern afflictions that were very rare in the past. The solutions are still the same, and giving people money, incentivizing sex etc is a bandaid not a long term solution.
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AdrianB1大约 2 年前
So instead of looking for the root cause of the problem (probably many factors, not just one), the government is doing what a stupid government is always doing: throw some money at the problem hoping it will be effective enough to win the next election. It is not solving any problem, just rolling it for later.<p>SK has a huge demographic problem; this one cannot be fixed later, when people are in their 40-es or even 50-es they cannot have babies anymore. Also giving money to 9 year old to socialize is weird, one would rather have them do team activities like sport or boy&#x2F;girl&#x2F;mixed scout, not give money - what financial culture does a 9-year old have?
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