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HDD Sales Crater, Drop 35% Year-over-Year

81 点作者 ms512大约 2 年前

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MrFoof大约 2 年前
HDD still has a point, but as SSD prices diminish, we&#x27;ll continue to see it drop off.<p>One of the main reasons is density. You can put 32 E1.S EDSFF SSDs in a single rack unit fairly commonly nowadays. It wouldn&#x27;t surprise me if some 1U chassis did 40.<p>There&#x27;s also reliability. They&#x27;re not infallible, but it&#x27;s looking like AFRs for SSDs might be half that of HDDs. That&#x27;s a <i>big</i> deal.<p>Of course there&#x27;s also cost. Prosumer SSDs are about $70-75&#x2F;TB now, and common PCIe 4.0 U.2&#x2F;U.3 enterprise and datacenter SSDs are in the $90&#x2F;TB range. PCIe 5.0 enterprise and datacenter SSDs? &quot;Yikes&quot;, is what I&#x27;ll say. Have fun negotiating with your rep on those. ;) Meanwhile, 7200rpm SATA HDDs can be had for $15&#x2F;TB. These are retail end-user prices. If you&#x27;re doing huge volumes as a cloud provider or a huge SAAS business, pricing goes quite a bit lower.<p>-- -----<p>Where do HDDs still make sense? Sustained transfer operations, nearline storage, and as part of a storage tier where you can intelligently hide the HDDs behind SSDs <i>(lots of solutions for this)</i> and get SSD performance most of the time, and guarantee it where it matters. There&#x27;s many use cases where they just dominate because of their low cost, and the ability to get the performance required for a lot cheaper.<p>Though compared to high-end enterprise SSDs, 7200rpm SATA HDDs are actually still fine for power, typically pulling 6-7W per HDD instead of 11-15W for fairly common enterprise SSDs. Some enterprise SSDs <i>(mostly PCIe 5, mostly E3-based form factors)</i> can pull 25W, if not 40W. Remember, enterprise SSDs don&#x27;t do things like SLC cache much -- they just have a MOUNTAIN of NAND <i>(plus PLP capacitors)</i> you can read&#x2F;write from in massive parallelization. There&#x27;s no ingest drop-off as a result, but you do have to power all that NAND.
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KronisLV大约 2 年前
Out of curiosity, I had a look at the current SSD and HDD prices available in a local e-commerce site:<p><pre><code> Capacity HDD SSD 500 GB 47 EUR 36 EUR 1 TB 41 EUR 49 EUR 2 TB 54 EUR 89 EUR 4 TB 77 EUR 264 EUR 8 TB 161 EUR 531 EUR 16 TB 313 EUR none </code></pre> So it seems like HDDs are still more cost effective for storing larger amounts of data, as long as your workloads permit that, but for smaller capacities SSDs now reign supreme, cost wise. There&#x27;s also the fact that most of these HDDs that I looked at were 3.5&quot; but SSDs were either 2.5&quot; or of the M.2 variety, which may or may not matter, depending on what you want to put them in.<p>I still think that an SSD for your boot drive is a no-brainer, but for other data storage HDDs still make sense. If the trend of affordable SSDs keeps up, that view might change in the future.
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mastax大约 2 年前
The 14TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC530 drives I bought in server builds eighteen months ago (delivered one year ago) have gone down from $330 to $200 in that time period. Pretty amazing. 16-20TB drives are starting to lose their premium as well[0].<p>SSDs may have dropped even further. I had to unsubscribe from &#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales[1] because I couldn&#x27;t stop buying the SSD deals that popped up. I wanted to avoid juggling multiple storage drives in this machine, but now all my M.2 slots are full. Stuck one in a cheap USB enclosure to make a damn good flash drive.<p>QLC drives are starting to approach HDD prices. Here&#x27;s an extreme example. Two months ago $100 was a good deal for a 2TB QLC drive[2]. Now you can get them (in limited circumstances) for $45[3].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;internal-hard-drive&#x2F;#f=2&amp;sort=ppgb&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;internal-hard-drive&#x2F;#f=2&amp;s...</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;comments&#x2F;111b8n8&#x2F;ssd_intel_670p_series_m2_2280_2tb_pcie_30_x4_nvme&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;comments&#x2F;111b8n8&#x2F;ssd_...</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;comments&#x2F;12fv841&#x2F;ssd_inland_qn322_2tb_ssd_nvme_pcie_gen_30_x4_m2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;buildapcsales&#x2F;comments&#x2F;12fv841&#x2F;ssd_...</a>
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blihp大约 2 年前
While spinning rust was destined to lose the majority of the market to flash, I think the hard disk companies accelerated the move with the SMR fiasco. It got me moving more things to SSDs sooner than I had planned.
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lockhouse大约 2 年前
Modern OSes practically require an SSD. The difference in performance is particularly noticeable on Windows. HDDs are great for local backups still.
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sdenton4大约 2 年前
Curiously, I just bought an hdd for the first time in years, after noticing I could get 22TB of storage for $300.<p>My use case is penalty a bit particular, though... It&#x27;s really just for localized copies of large datasets that exist elsewhere. So it&#x27;s totally ok if the drive dies, since the data lives somewhere else. I doubt most people have a real need for that much localized data these days.
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BooneJS大约 2 年前
I have 4 HDDs in NAS and one 12 TB drive for Time Machine. It’s great to have 4 TB in your MacBook, but it’s so expensive and I personally don’t need to actively have more than 1 TB at any one time (and maybe not even half that), meaning the rest can be offloaded to a NAS.
ilamont大约 2 年前
Can anyone give some insights into what trends are driving this beyond a global drop in PC shipments? For instance, longer-lasting hardware, shift to cloud storage, decline in crypto mining (see reqs <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;bitcoin-core&#x2F;features&#x2F;requirements" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;bitcoin-core&#x2F;features&#x2F;requirements</a>), other factors?
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superkuh大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s crazy to me how many people will buy a computer with 250 GB of total storage and then end up with a series of rube-goldberg&#x27;d in slow&#x2F;fragile external hard drives just to get close to the performance of a &quot;normal&quot; computer.<p>SSD only pre-built commercial computer offerings have set back the average computer&#x27;s ability to do useful work by 15 years. SSD are just too expensive for most people to use for useful amounts of storage (say, family photos+system backups). And even if it&#x27;s a pre-built desktop the emergence of SSDs has made it somehow acceptable to sell a 1TB HDD in a modern computer. It&#x27;s scammy.
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IYasha大约 2 年前
Someone please save HDDs! They&#x27;re awesome!<p>Coincidentally, only few hours ago my SSD was saved by HDD! I booted up my PC and went away for a few minutes. Returned only to be welcomed by busy HDD noises. I quickly turned by WTF into resource monitor - and (not)surprise! - PID 4 was munching D:\System Volume Information. That&#x27;s really annoying, but what really terrified me - the same was happening to SSD C:! I have explicitly turned off defrag, updates and other stuff for it, but still. And I would never spot it because SSDS DON&#x27;T MAKE NOISE!!
rektide大约 2 年前
I hope the HDD market can survive. I really really appreciate being able to buy a 20TB Exos for $400. SSDs are so absurdly great, but I really like being able to have a nice data-archive. When Covid hit and the whole PC parts market dried up, and the Chia chain thing was happening, there were days where I was thinking I&#x27;ll never be able to have affordable bulk storage again.
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wolpoli大约 2 年前
HDD is losing economy of scale. I wonder when will HDD become completely uncompetitive at any size in terms of $&#x2F;TD.
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nubinetwork大约 2 年前
So I just bought a 256gb nvme drive for a build, but I&#x27;ve been waiting for large capacity ssds for years...<p>It seems the ssd market isn&#x27;t interested in making large drives unless they are dram-less (anything cheap) or have very limited write cycles (eg samsung qvo).
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ls612大约 2 年前
I replaced all of my hard drives with 2 large SSDs and haven’t looked back. Sure it cost a bit more but spinning rust just sucks and the cost difference is far smaller now.
redder23大约 2 年前
Should that not be reflect in the price? Maybe I should w8 a while, I kind of plan of buying a HDD but not sure what size.
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flatiron大约 2 年前
Personally I just find it easier to push everything to the cloud and not deal with RAIDZ and failing disk drives. Maybe I’m just old.
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z3t4大约 2 年前
HDDs are cheap and last a long time. Perfect for redundant configurations.
Brian_K_White大约 2 年前
And everyone&#x27;s data losing bits on all those ssd&#x27;s.
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