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Strong Opinions Loosely Held Might Be the Worst Idea in Tech (2019)

24 点作者 sherilm大约 2 年前

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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF大约 2 年前
&gt; The loudest, most bombastic engineer states their case with certainty, and that shuts down discussion.<p>I work with this person and none of the devs here even say anything about strong opinions, whether or not they&#x27;re weakly held. This (the engineer&#x27;s in the example) is poor argumentation, not a loosely-held strong opinion.<p>I can have a strong opinion and simply not voice it. I might change that opinion after gaining a new perspective because I don&#x27;t identify with the opinion (hold it weakly). Complaints about people who don&#x27;t introspect aside, this doesn&#x27;t read as an issue with the &quot;strong opinions&quot; idea.
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khazhoux大约 2 年前
&gt; Stroll through an engineering office and you are likely to hear the (mostly white, mostly male) denizens making statements like…<p>For an essay on quantifying your priors, it’s odd to find this stereotyping of white males.
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gcanyon大约 2 年前
This essay fundamentally misrepresents &quot;strong opinions, loosely held,&quot; and is therefore misleading and useless.<p>-- that&#x27;s a strong opinion, loosely held. Let me explain:<p>The word &quot;strong&quot; in &quot;strong opinions&quot; doesn&#x27;t mean what the author thinks it does. For example: &quot;toxic certainty&quot; and &quot;overconfidence&quot;. That is <i>not</i> what &quot;strong opinions&quot; means here. In fact, the author alludes to the correct interpretation later when they say &quot;The idea of strong opinions, loosely held is that you can make <i>bombastic statements</i>, and everyone should implicitly assume that you’ll happily change your mind in a heartbeat if new data suggests you are wrong.&quot; Emphasis mine.<p>Putting it plainly, &quot;strong&quot; refers to the position being taken. &quot;Tesla makes a good electric car&quot; is a weak position. &quot;Tesla makes the best electric car on the market, no one else even comes close&quot; is a strong position. Note that in neither case is my conviction in making the statement in evidence.<p>&quot;Loosely held&quot; is contradictory to the expressed descriptions of &quot;toxic certainty&quot; and &quot;overconfidence&quot;.<p>So: the point of the saying is that people should stake out positions of significance without worrying so much about whether they have firmly researched and can support those positions. In a general way, the expression is refining the expression &quot;for the sake of argument.&quot;<p>The article then goes on to reasonably criticize the <i>actual</i> idea by suggesting that it is an ideal rarely lived up to in practice, and offers a solution (stating that you are not 100% certain) that actually reinforces the actual point of the original saying.<p>So the title should be something like &quot;Strong Opinions Loosely Held is the Most Abused Idea in Tech -- I&#x27;m 90% Certain of That.&quot;<p>But this is all just a loosely held idea, I&#x27;m happy to be dissuaded.
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metal大约 2 年前
Stopped reading at the anti-white bs.<p>I&#x27;m pretty sure that if the author had put &quot;black&quot; instead of &quot;white,&quot; this article wouldn&#x27;t have even been linked here. It&#x27;s fashionable to openly express anti-white bigotry these days.
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andy_xor_andrew大约 2 年前
&gt; Strong opinions loosely held might be the worst idea in tech<p>I strongly disagree with this, but if you can make a convincing argument I&#x27;ll definitely consider it.
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viggity大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve always been a big fan of the Strong Opinions Weakly Held thing because I thought of it more as being a proxy for being decisive. I&#x27;ve been on too many projects or had life experiences where everything was mired down in endless equivocation and hair splitting. Why argue about what color to paint the bike shed when if one color is truly a problem repainting it later is low cost to fix.
mikewarot大约 2 年前
The last time I was in a room full of engineers, respect was shown to everyone for their decades of professional service, and proven track record of delivering results to the industrial customers they supported.<p>It was quiet and they were just going about their business.<p>I wish I had the discipline back in the day to go into engineering, but the 4 years plus internship and state exam was a huge wall.<p>Programming was a lot easier to get into.
joebiden2大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s a bit funny how this post contradicts itself by voicing a strong opinion (we don&#x27;t know yet if it&#x27;s loosely held).<p>I don&#x27;t disagree with the general point though. The stronger someone supports an opinion, the harder it gets for less-than-vocal team members &#x2F; contributors to point out flaws or incorrect facts. This makes it harder for potentially more knowledgeable people who lack self consciousness&#x2F;&quot;vocalness&quot; to refute the false statement, which most often causes downstream issues of not-so-interested folks to believe in the wrong statement, simply because someone who seems self-assured and knowledgeable voiced it.<p>I think it boils, as most of the time, down to having a team of people complementing each other. If you have someone with strong opinions, make sure they are not the only one.
CRConrad大约 2 年前
&gt; ... in the tech industry, with our motto of “strong opinions, loosely held” (also known as “strong opinions, weakly held”), we’ve glorified overconfidence.<p>No. That the opinions are (or should be) “loosely &#x2F; weakly held” means precisely that we aren&#x27;t (or shouldn&#x27;t be) overly confident in them.<p>Congratulations on writing an entire essay on how you didn&#x27;t understand a wide-spread expression.
recursivedoubts大约 2 年前
loose opinions, strongly held:<p>&quot;I&#x27;m not sure. And I&#x27;m pretty sure you aren&#x27;t either. Let&#x27;s try some prototypes.&quot;
OrvalWintermute大约 2 年前
&gt; Stroll through an engineering office and you are likely to hear the (mostly white, mostly male) denizens making statements like:<p>This racist&#x2F;sexist stereotypical line jumped out in the reading of this article.<p>I cannot support Micheal Natkin writing pejoratively about groups in this manner.
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programmarchy大约 2 年前
(2019)
27fingies大约 2 年前
Bunch of snowflakes in this thread lmao