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Imgur Updates TOS, Banning NSFW Content

453 点作者 Cyclical大约 2 年前

56 条评论

mjr00大约 2 年前
Tumblr 2.0 incoming?<p>It&#x27;s a not-so-unspoken fact that a lot of social media platforms are popular because they have <i>tons</i> of pornography. Reddit, Twitter, OnlyFans (more openly) and (until now) Imgur all have massive communities around explicit content. Even Twitch and YouTube are hugely successful as ways for OnlyFans creators to drive users to their explicit content.<p>Going to be very interesting to see if imgur drops off the face of the earth as tinypic, imageshack, photobucket and many others before it did. Certainly this was the longest-lasting image host I can think of.
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ndiddy大约 2 年前
Imgur will also be deleting images that aren&#x27;t associated with a user account. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.imgur.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;14415587638029&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.imgur.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;14415587638029&#x2F;</a>
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yreg大约 2 年前
How far have we come from &quot;My Gift to Reddit: I created an image hosting service that doesn&#x27;t suck.&quot;[0]<p>I suppose it has lasted longer than anyone expected.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;comments&#x2F;7zlyd&#x2F;my_gift_to_reddit_i_created_an_image_hosting&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;comments&#x2F;7zlyd&#x2F;my_gift_t...</a>
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neilv大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t understand why Imgur did the following on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgurinc.com&#x2F;rules" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgurinc.com&#x2F;rules</a> , which I&#x27;d assume would be vetted by a lawyer...<p>Caption on example photo of mocking an obese person sitting on a too-small metal folding chair, consequently with a little butt crack visible (maybe at an MtG event):<p>&gt; <i>This buttcrack isn&#x27;t intended to stimulate erotic feelings, so it&#x27;s ok.</i><p>Two sections later, this photo itself seems to hit about half of the section:<p>&gt; <i>No hate speech, abuse or harassment.</i><p>Including:<p>&gt; <i>attacks on people based on their [...] age, disability or medical condition*<p>&gt; </i>harassment in the forms of [...] or inciting the community into support or disdain for a person, organization or community*<p>&gt; <i>content that attacks, bullies, or harasses non-public people</i><p>&gt; <i>any image taken of or from someone without their knowledge or consent for the purpose of harassment, [...]</i><p>&gt; <i>Posts that might be taken down may include: [...] negative stereotypes, [...] malicious personal attacks on non-public individuals, [...] “fat people hate,” [...] photos taken of a non-public figure without their knowledge to make fun of them</i><p>Then this section claims to tend to err on the side of taking down content:<p>&gt; <i>It&#x27;s important to keep in mind that not everything that&#x27;s mean or insulting is hate speech. That said, the line between unintentional and serious attacks is sometimes difficult to identify, so we&#x27;re likely to err on the side of taking abusive content down.</i><p>Yet they&#x27;re including a harassing image in the same rules page, captioned as &quot;ok&quot;.<p>This seems sloppy to me. And, when it&#x27;s in the context of a historically risky move of a major NSFW hoster going anti-NSFW, I wonder whether <i>that</i> part has been worked through meticulously.<p>Kudos to Imgur for surviving this long. I remember when they were effectively Reddit&#x27;s image CDN, with the norm seeming to be Imgur-served images embedded with `img` elements in Reddit pages. I&#x27;d wondered how that worked, financially, and whether there were deals with Reddit, or it was just unofficially symbiotic. Imgur has been an important part of the Web for a long time, and hopefully they&#x27;ve figured out a good&#x2F;necessary direction for 2023, and will execute well on it.
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pabs3大约 2 年前
ArchiveTeam are in early discussions about how to save all that stuff to archive.org.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.archiveteam.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;Imgur" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.archiveteam.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;Imgur</a>
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phendrenad2大约 2 年前
The pendulum has clearly started to swing back to sexual repression. Society has started to see sexual freedom and expression as grotesque. Now the only question is how far it&#x27;ll swing.
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kevinmchugh大约 2 年前
At some point imgur built a front page. Initially it mirrored reddits front page. And then it diverged, and very strangely for an image hosting site, most of the content on the front page was text. Often about current events, engaging in a superficial way (so, falling into the traps that HN is set up to avoid) but sometimes just tweet screenshots.<p>This i guess is another move away from image content for imgur. Dunno.
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cynicalsecurity大约 2 年前
What&#x27;s the problem with NSFW? Why discriminate and demonize this kind of content?<p>&gt; We don&#x27;t want to create a bad experience for someone that might stumble across explicit images, nor is it in our company ethos to support explicit content, so some lascivious or sexualized posts are not allowed.<p>Hey Imgur! By banning NSFT you&#x27;ve create a bad experience for me and now I&#x27;m stumbled. Happy?
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minimaxir大约 2 年前
Many years ago I did an analysis on how fast Imgur grew on Reddit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;minimaxir.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;imgur-decline&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;minimaxir.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;imgur-decline&#x2F;</a><p>Reddit adding its native hosting effectively kneecaped it, however, although from Imgur&#x27;s perspective it&#x27;s hard to say that&#x27;s a bad thing since they just lose money on bandwidth. Since then, Imgur has been strongly pushing non-direct image links where they can show ads.
Barrin92大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m still waiting for the day when people will stop being absurdly neurotic about sexuality and just let people share their stuff as long as it&#x27;s age flagged appropriately. It&#x27;s so absurd that the most normal thing on earth is put into the same moderation category as harassment or hate speech.
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adad95大约 2 年前
With this change and Reddit removing NSFW content from the API, at the same time. I think both sites will be way less used. And another competitor will appear quickly. Look like they want became irrelevant very quickly. Tumblr and Only Fans tried and falied. one became forgotten and the other had to say sorry was a mistake.
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throwaway2990大约 2 年前
I wish imgur would go away entirely. It’s such a toxic community of people. If you are not aligned with their doctrine you get spammed with downvotes and some of the most hateful replies I’ve ever seen. You report it but it stays there.
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thinkingemote大约 2 年前
Imgur stopped existing in 2021 when it was sold to Medialab AI. Medialab also own kik and whisper, genius and worldstarhiphop.<p>That&#x27;s the cause for these changes.
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rasengan大约 2 年前
They said they didn’t want people stumbling on NSFW content. Then I clicked on the explanation on their TOS and stumbled upon NSFW content.
the-dude大约 2 年前
No bullshit image hosting from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=stavros" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=stavros</a> : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21627714" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21627714</a>
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etimberg大约 2 年前
Is this their tumblr moment?
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aestetix大约 2 年前
To test this in practice, I just went ahead and uploaded an image of Michaelangelo&#x27;s &quot;David&quot; which has been a topic of recent controversy.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;aTiH5lk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;aTiH5lk</a><p>Let&#x27;s see if that violates these new &quot;guidelines.&quot;
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benj111大约 2 年前
&gt;No content that condones illegal ... activity<p>How does that work? Illegal where I live, illegal where they are or illegal anywhere?<p>Further if I&#x27;m pro abortion, is that condoning &#x27;illegal activity&#x27;? What about smoking weed, which is illegal in certain states but legal in others. If I talk about crossing the road not at a crossing which is legal in my country, would that be banned? Do I now need to read up on US business law to find out where they&#x27;re incorporated and or where the servers are sited to find the applicable state to then find the applicable laws? Are their moderators also going to be trained to this standard?
NotYourLawyer大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised imgur still exists. It&#x27;s been years since reddit started doing their own image hosting, and that was basically the only thing anyone used it for.
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lnauta大约 2 年前
Wow, I remember reading the post of the creator of imgur that he made it specifically for reddit use. Then at some point they made it into this social platform and removed directly linking to images (or at least made it quite hard).<p>Now this, interesting to see a site from day 1 coming up and (probably) going down.
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Madmallard大约 2 年前
RIP imgur<p>Tech companies deciding to not allow any vulgar content is seriously a bizarre &quot;value&quot; to uphold in the age of the internet.
stametseater大约 2 年前
Imgur sucks, viewing images on their website requires whitelisting an obnoxious amount of javascript that simply shouldn&#x27;t be necessary to view an image. They weren&#x27;t always so bad, but what&#x27;s past is past. If this move kills their business I won&#x27;t be sad to see them go.
rektide大约 2 年前
How much do we wager this is an internal decision, versus how much do we think this is a result of external forces? Have various assorted governments just made life a total pain I the ass, or is Imgur no longer interested in being the image server of the internet?<p>This feels like yet another recent chilling case where Barlow&#x27;s Declaration of Independence of Cyberspace should probably be rolled out. Where shitty governmental fear mongering trash again just makes being online in authentic &amp; dirty ways harder &amp; harder.
absoluteJM大约 2 年前
Tons of image tutorials from Reddit will probably be destroyed. This reminds me of when Photobucket wiped tons of contents which were used on old forums.
dormento大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been seeing more and more &quot;fringe-content&quot; websites having billing issues currently, with card processors declining their business due to &quot;safety&quot; concerns (really, a blanket term for &quot;I don&#x27;t wanna do business with you for whatever reason, but I&#x27;m not going to say&quot;).<p>Does anyone know what may be happening?
red_admiral大约 2 年前
I wonder what triggered this - legislation? Their payment processor? The ad network they get their revenue from?<p>In my experience, this kind of change happens much more often for money reasons than for moral reasons.<p>I think Tumblr&#x27;s TOS change happened because their credit card processor became uncomfortable at them being essentially &quot;in the porn business&quot; - and indeed, seeing how much smaller Tumblr&#x27;s business was post-change, the card processor was technically right.
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_dain_大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;catbox.moe&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;catbox.moe&#x2F;</a> which is kept alive by donations. One interesting thing they do is their sister site, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;litterbox.catbox.moe&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;litterbox.catbox.moe&#x2F;</a> which does temporary hosting: an hour, 12 hours, a day, or three days. So the user can choose whether they want it kept around forever, and the site can save money on hosting.<p>I bet an enormous amount, maybe 99%, of imgur content is stuff that users only meant to share once and wouldn&#x27;t care if it were deleted. But the other 1% is of tremendous value -- even if an image gets no hits in years, that&#x27;s no guarantee it&#x27;s really useless (e.g. an instruction manual for an obscure piece of hardware or software). And it&#x27;s hard to know which is which.
dahwolf大约 2 年前
This is web 4.0, also known as WWBWW. World Wide Bubble Wrap Web.
dimmke大约 2 年前
Can we please stop using “NSFW” as a euphemism for porn? I feel like I’m going crazy today between this and Reddit. The standard for something to qualify as NSFW is much lower than straight up pornography. It was originally anything you wouldn’t want your boss to see you looking at if he walked up behind you at your cubicle. The use of the term is incredibly vague. If you’re banning porn just say you’re banning porn Jesus Christ.
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Bran_son大约 2 年前
Bait and switch: get popular with user-friendly terms, then pull the rug from under your users and use your conned popularity to serve advertisers.
FrontierPsych大约 2 年前
The internet is becoming much more puritan than broadcast tv or cable tv.<p>It&#x27;s disgusting.<p>I guess at least the large sites, anyways.<p>What is the new imgur that will take imgur&#x27;s place? Anyone know if there&#x27;s something new?
red_trumpet大约 2 年前
&gt; These rules apply to all community aspects on Imgur: all parts of a public post (title, description, tags, visual content), comments, links, and messages.<p>Does this also apply to posts which are not posted as &quot;public&quot;, but can be shared as a link?
AraceliHarker大约 2 年前
Many social networking sites (YouTube, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.) prohibit sexual content, racism and unauthorised use of trademarks in their terms and conditions, but in practice they&#x27;ve mostly left it alone, so I doubt Imgur will be so thorough.
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renewiltord大约 2 年前
I think it wouldn&#x27;t be too hard to offer the image hosting but I&#x27;d be deathly afraid of moderation: imagine someone uses my product to host CSAM. That&#x27;s horrifying. So it sounds like a hard problem to deal with.
godzillabrennus大约 2 年前
Makes sense. Not exactly advertising friendly content for them to monetize.
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throwaway71271大约 2 年前
is there a legal issue with AI generated NSFW?<p>(like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;search?q=stable%20diffusion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;search?q=stable%20diffusion</a>)
rabuse大约 2 年前
I found a pretty lax new social site that doesn&#x27;t seem to have a problem with NSFW uploads.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qwurty.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qwurty.com</a>
yieldcrv大约 2 年前
the “find out” phase, for imgur
stalfosknight大约 2 年前
Has no one at Imgur heard of Tumblr and what happened when they tried this? Why do they think this will turn out differently for them?
steele大约 2 年前
Probably wants to get out of the threat of regulatory crosshairs for revenge porn laws via AI generated images.
knallfrosch大约 2 年前
Unrestricted image hosting with direct linking is a crucial tool for the internet, but not a business model.
butz大约 2 年前
Is it time for a decentralized image host, where images are actually stored on users devices?
syngrog66大约 2 年前
rule of thumb: media sharing startups gladly host porn when they&#x27;re early, small and growing. Then once they mature, get big enough, the Adults Take Over, they then ban the porn. Seen this sequence happen a dozen times from afar over decades.
scrum-treats大约 2 年前
I thought the ban included any image from unregistered accounts. Is this not the case?
ho_schi大约 2 年前
Is the affecting THT (Thigh High Thursday)? I’m just asking…for a friend.
kchoudhu大约 2 年前
Hold up, is anyone hosting anything other than non-nsfw content on imgur?
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Phelinofist大约 2 年前
I actively avoid imgur anyway because of the insane amount of JS
Laaas大约 2 年前
You&#x27;d think capitalism would lead platforms to support porn.
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kats大约 2 年前
Maybe it will take down a lot of Reddit traffic as well.
thih9大约 2 年前
Why now? Is there any context about this decision?
2-718-281-828大约 2 年前
what is the motivation behind this step?
tinglymintyfrsh大约 2 年前
Damn, they went full Insta.
leshenka大约 2 年前
et tu, brute?
NoZebra120vClip大约 2 年前
Slack integration
Eumenes大约 2 年前
Good, this site is full of content for children, the right move by Imgur
AITree大约 2 年前
I believe that companies have a responsibility to create safe and welcoming environments for all users.