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Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

523 点作者 dduugg大约 2 年前

64 条评论

raphar大约 2 年前
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nyx大约 2 年前
The 25-year import rule here, which bans Americans from importing vehicles from other countries unless they&#x27;re 25+ years old, is just awful for those of us who would be interested in driving small, efficient foreign cars.<p>It would be great to live completely car-free, but absent major changes to how we plan our cities, it&#x27;s just a sad reality that cars are a necessary ingredient to life in the vast majority of America. To cope with this, I&#x27;d love to be able to import a kei car or van from Japan, or micro-sized European city cars, or even some of the very small EV city cars that we see in China... but I just can&#x27;t, unless I want an overpriced pile of scrap from the 1990s.<p>It&#x27;s all so much worse when you realize that the 25-year rule is a holdover from a grey-market import scare of the mid-1980s[0]: European carmakers, namely Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche, were having trouble in the US with people importing European models of their cars. There were some valid concerns around inconsistent modifications for US safety standards, but the main issue was clearly that these grey-market imports were cheaper than buying a US model from a dealer, so profits were being missed. Instead of fixing the pricing discrepancy, they just successfully lobbied the government to enact this draconian 25-year ban, and so to this day I can&#x27;t have a 2020s Japanese kei car shipped to a US port at my expense because it&#x27;d be illegal to register it.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;the-25-year-import-rules-history-is-more-complicated-th-1848322467" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;the-25-year-import-rules-history-is-mor...</a>
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LinuxBender大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve seriously contemplated getting one of these. Street legal, fuel efficient, simple, but when I started researching them I started to see a pattern. It&#x27;s hard to find anyone in rural areas willing to work on them and not all mini trucks are equal. Some are not shipped correctly and have frame rust issues. There are YouTuber&#x27;s that cover some of the models and the gotchas and things to inspect. I would never buy one without inspecting it locally. I&#x27;ve seen a couple of them in town and the owners somehow manage to keep them running.<p>I am leaning more towards a street legal side-by-side as there are a few dealers here and they have people to perform more advanced repairs. Downside is they cost more especially if I want a fully enclosed cab <i>with windshield and heater</i>, something that is a must during the winter here. Upside is I can take it into the mountains and also use it to run into town for groceries.<p>An upside to either of these options is that these are the remaining vehicles that do not <i>as of yet</i> have any of the telemetry, dashboard infotainment systems, pay-as-you-go for subscriptions for standard features, etc...
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porphyra大约 2 年前
One of the most highly upvoted Reddit posts on &#x2F;r&#x2F;fuckcars mocks large pickups compared to the utility of a kei truck.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;fuckcars&#x2F;comments&#x2F;sdrgv3&#x2F;japanese_trucks_vs_american_trucks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;fuckcars&#x2F;comments&#x2F;sdrgv3&#x2F;japanese_truck...</a><p>A kei truck has about 90% the bed length of a pickup while being a lot more nimble. The lower bed is more ergonomic to load and unload too.
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voisin大约 2 年前
I wish the actual story was “US manufacturers announce line of small, Japanese style pickup trucks”<p>Importing adds friction both up front and for ongoing sourcing of parts and maintenance. Just give us some options for local pickup trucks utilizing existing repair facilities! Instead everyone bitches about truck drivers having such large vehicles, when that’s all that’s on offer here!
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officeplant大约 2 年前
We&#x27;ve been importing them to Louisiana for 20+ years now. Although for the longest time they were only legal to drive like a farm truck (up to 40 miles from the farm) and only on 55mph or less roads. They also had limiters installed so they couldn&#x27;t go over 55mph, not that its hard to remove the tiny flap of metal they installed to keep the throttle from opening fully.<p>There is one farmer we used to call the used kei truck salesman because at any given time he has 10-20 of these in his yard for sale fresh off the import boat.
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camhenlin大约 2 年前
I’ve looked into one of these and they’re completely illegal in my state, no way to register them without gaming different dmv stations and getting a clueless dmv rep who doesn’t know what they’re looking at, to register it. This is Oregon. Really unfortunate situation as these fit a lot of use cases that would previously require something as big as a gas guzzling Ford F150 otherwise.
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paxys大约 2 年前
Kinda ironic that big city dwellers are buying larger and larger trucks every year just to take them on grocery shopping runs while rural farm workers are moving in the opposite direction for actual hauling.
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Syonyk大约 2 年前
The local Mahindra dealer also seems to be doing a brisk business with their Roxors - they&#x27;re almost literally a 1950s Jeep with a modern diesel engine in them. It&#x27;s the same market niche - small, off highway use, utility vehicles.<p>And at least out here, you&#x27;re allowed to run around on the roads at least some with them to get between fields.
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ztetranz大约 2 年前
My neighbor has one. He drives around with his big dog in the (lefthand) passenger seat. It looks like the dog is driving.
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ryukafalz大约 2 年前
New minitrucks should be legal here! If you don&#x27;t need a huge truck, you should be able to buy something smaller.
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kubectl_h大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve seen a few of these in Maine in driveways and yards&#x2F;fields, but only recently have I seen a couple on the road. I was surprised to see them. I believe JDM vans cannot be registered here but perhaps that&#x27;s changed recently.<p>If made illegal to drive on the roads it&#x27;s not clear why these would be preferable to side-by-sides, other than novelty or for folks that really like to wrench.
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skim_milk大约 2 年前
I own a Honda Acty van and I have met a ton of people with other kei trucks here in Nebraska and outside of the state. It seems like every other person with an acreage owns a kei truck nowadays, they&#x27;re cheaper and more reliable than an ATV plus you can drive on roads. I&#x27;ve met some people here in Nebraska that make bank importing and selling kei trucks to farmers.<p>Like the other commenters have said, you have to check your state&#x27;s laws to see if they can be registered, but I&#x27;ve met people in states that don&#x27;t allow kei trucks and are just used as ATVs, and it&#x27;s not like you&#x27;re going to be fined for driving on back roads between your properties anyway. In Nebraska they&#x27;re banned on highways, but it&#x27;s not like you&#x27;re going to take your 1800lb car which doesn&#x27;t have airbags or any crash structure that only drives up to 65mph with a tailwind on any highways anyway.<p>If you&#x27;re looking to buy one, check state laws and I recommend just eating the ~$2,000 markup to get one already with tags from a car dealer that sells these. Dealerships that sell RHD cars to people who drive for the Post Office will have these in stock and will be the easiest to deal with. It&#x27;s not worth the risks and effort to do all the paperwork yourself IMO. If the car previously passed inspection in Japan, it&#x27;s basically guaranteed to be fine because inspection in Japan is very good, they check for rust etc. Parts can either be cross-referenced to other cars (e.g. Honda Civic) or they will be expensive but available. You&#x27;ll have to do all your own work, but they&#x27;re extremely simple cars.<p>I use mine as a van camper, pretty cheap on gas if driven slowly.
Simulacra大约 2 年前
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efields大约 2 年前
I wonder how much of the “Americans want big cars” is just “car manufacturers _sell_ big cars and not much else” … then there’s the whole SUV loophole that gets them around emissions regs.<p>The Ford Maverick is great and around 20k but at this point I want 100% electric.
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falcolas大约 2 年前
&gt; And unlike a side-by-side, it can also be driven legally on local roads<p>Side by sides can, with a few accessories (horn, license plate lights, turn signals, etc), be driven legally on roads. Most dealers are happy to sell and attach these high profit items for you.
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nonethewiser大约 2 年前
I can see the utility but most country road speed limits are gonna be 50 mph+. I wouldn’t want to drive it there. Dirt roads or on your land, sure.<p>Regardless, they look pretty cool. A cheaper option, but lower quality, might be some small trucks from China.<p>It will also be interesting to see how Fords Maverick catches on. May not quite fill this niche but seems like a good option overall.
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anfilt大约 2 年前
I really do like the Kei Class of cars. Some people talking about the 25 year rule that does not apply if they imported as an off-road vhehicle and some things like governor installed.<p>However, in some states you can&#x27;t use off-road vehicles on any roadways, and you would only be able to register such an import as off-road vheicle. Where as you could register 25+ year old on in quite a few states as a low speed vheicle which allows pretty much anything, but highway use.
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macinjosh大约 2 年前
Big American trucks are like denim jeans.<p>Jeans started out as super useful and economical clothing worn by miners, cowboys, etc. fast forward n years and people are paying hundreds of dollars for exclusive denim and designs with pre-worn holes and other artificial wear patterns.<p>Trucks today look like they could be utilitarian and used for work but are really just an overpriced fashion statement.
ShadowBanThis01大约 2 年前
We can&#x27;t even buy a legitimate SMALL pickup in the USA anymore. The closest thing is the still-large Ford Maverick, which is nearly useless as a truck because Ford forces a giant four-door cab on every buyer. Where is the two-door version? You see this same blunder on every &quot;smallish&quot; truck sold in the USA today, which is why Rangers from a decade and a half ago are selling for as much as they did new.<p>Look at the absurd marketing picture Ford put out. These people have no hope of even loading the couch they&#x27;re struggling with, let alone half the other crap waiting on the sidewalk: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrive.com&#x2F;content-b&#x2F;message-editor%2F1646159878512-22_frd_mav_54243.tif.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrive.com&#x2F;content-b&#x2F;message-editor%2F16461598...</a><p>While this is a somewhat different type of truck than the subject of this article, it reflects a similar failure of manufacturers to address a major gap in the market. Not everyone is a poser who just wants to drive around in a &quot;truck.&quot; Some people have actual truck applications to be addressed, and want an efficient little truck for them.
Animats大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s are US-made electric mini-pickups. The Pickman.[1] But it&#x27;s expensive at $20K-$30K. The GEM is cheaper, but is one notch above a golf cart.[2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thepickman.com&#x2F;pickman-classic" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thepickman.com&#x2F;pickman-classic</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gemcar.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gemcar.com&#x2F;</a>
jccalhoun大约 2 年前
I am kind of in love with the Pickman electric mini-truck <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;23&#x2F;alibaba-electric-vehicle-of-the-week-mini-electric-pickup-truck-pickman&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;23&#x2F;alibaba-electric-vehicle-of-t...</a> but the import and shipping fees just make it too expensive to think about
venk12大约 2 年前
I find European cities to be well designed. Especially in the Netherlands where I currently live (not Amsterdam). Every city has a city center where all the commercial activity happens surrounded by residential suburb. Everything in and around the city is reachable by bike.I think this is great for a healthy and eco-friendly life.
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sjducb大约 2 年前
I grew up on a farm and I always thought that modern &quot;off-road&quot; viechles like pickup trucks wouldn&#x27;t actually be good off-road.<p>These are the reasons:<p>1) They are too wide. Real farm tracks are often narrow and overgrown. You want a narrow viechle to fit down them.<p>2) They are too heavy. When they get stuck you want them to be light so it&#x27;s easy to pull them out. Ideally a little manual pushing should be enough<p>3) Off-road &quot;capability&quot; isn&#x27;t actually that important because you could get a Toyota Camry down 99% of farm tracks. The 1% that&#x27;s impassible by a Camry is also impassable by most off-road viechles because a pipe broke or a river flooded and washed away the road completely. You want off-road capability to prolong the life of the viechle, not to get down the track.<p>4) You need good visibility from the cab so that you don&#x27;t run over your colleagues when doing complicated maneuvers.<p>Those little Japanese pick-ups look perfect.
tgtweak大约 2 年前
I see these all over the place in asiapac, especially at resorts for staff and maintenance to get around on smaller pathways in lieu of golf carts or runabouts. It makes a lot of sense when you consider that they are easy to move around on a small boat&#x2F;ferry and can be used on the roads. These places also have a much high percentage of motorbikes, scooters and ATVs and the same garages&#x2F;shops that service those can service these smaller engines with readily accessible parts.<p>The fact they can&#x27;t really be driven on interstates&#x2F;highways is the only thing that would make it difficult to sell them here as new vehicles.<p>Given how well the ford maverick is selling, and the successful introduction of the hyundai santacruz (and soon-to-be-introduced chevy montana) I think it&#x27;s safe to bet there would have been a decent market for new vehicles in this segment if the manufacturers could get them highway-compatible.
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bane大约 2 年前
In Korea, there&#x27;s a truck called the &quot;Bongo&quot; which is more of platform for cabover small trucks -- which includes box trucks, pickup-style utility trucks, flatbeds, etc. But all designed to be small and work well in tight urban environments.<p>The stock Bongo sort of vaguely represents an American pickup truck if it was built by somebody who had only ever heard of one described. However, they&#x27;re ubiquitous, and the boxtruck versions handle a lot of what we in the U.S. would use semi trucks for.<p>In Korea they tend to be made by Kia, and I think in Japan there&#x27;s a near identical variant by Mazda.<p>They can be had pretty cheap, a friend of mine has one for some farmland he has outside of Seoul and he says he bought it for ~$5k.
daxfohl大约 2 年前
Wow, my dad runs some apartments and he&#x27;s always buzzing random stuff from one place to another. He complains all the time that pickup trucks keep getting bigger and harder to use for day-to-day tasks. Seems like something like this would be perfect.
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poink大约 2 年前
I&#x27;d love a tiny truck as my primary vehicle, but after watching Doug DeMuro review an imported kei car van (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yyTJTUNgsVU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yyTJTUNgsVU</a>) I realized I could never feel comfortable driving one of these on the highways around here.<p>What I _really_ want is something like the Ford F-100 Eluminator concept.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ford.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;fordmedia&#x2F;fna&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;02&#x2F;all-electric-f-100-eluminator-concept.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ford.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;fordmedia&#x2F;fna&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021...</a>
fractallyte大约 2 年前
I used one of these - a van - as my daily driver some years ago. It was great! A surprising amount of volume in the back, yet small. It wasn&#x27;t fast, but it was maneuverable, easy to handle, and economical. And reliable! It <i>never</i> failed to start, even on subzero days, after weeks of standing still.<p>It was powerful enough to haul serious weight. The engine labored somewhat, and one could definitely feel the increased momentum of the vehicle.<p>I had some doubts about the front crumple zone - there really wasn&#x27;t much that could absorb a head-on impact. But it never became an issue..<p>If I had similar transport needs again, I&#x27;d get one of these vans without hesitation.
Gustomaximus大约 2 年前
Another one to consider is a Suzuki Jimny. These are smaller again. You see people who cut off the back and add a tray. Great little things that get around well.<p>I have a 2002 Hilux in the 2.7L four-cylinder. These things tend to be fairly bullet proof and great for on farm work both in what it does and being a cheaper vehicle you done stress about dings and scratches.<p>On thing the article didn&#x27;t mention about side-by-sides is they tend to do better in mud and hills. So in areas like I am where its hilly and slippery clay soils, side-by-sides can offer a decent advantage and safety aspect getting around vs a ute&#x2F;truck.
aidenn0大约 2 年前
Funny, I was chatting with some Rural Americans while on vacation in the Bahamas, and they all were super impressed with the Kei pickups they saw while there. I didn&#x27;t know you could legally register 25+ year old ones...
tinglymintyfrsh大约 2 年前
Stanford did too (the van kind) to squeeze between bollards. They were able to avoid CAFE and CARB standards because they&#x27;re their own municipality, and technically they&#x27;re not licensed for <i>public</i> street use.
omneity大约 2 年前
This kind of minitrucks is basically the workhorse of the informal Moroccan economy, locally called just &quot;Honda&quot; or &quot;Pickup&quot;.<p>It fell relatively out of favor with the introduction of cargo trikes[0], a.k.a. &quot;triporteur&quot; in the local parlance. Trikes are now used for everything from transportation to cargo, still mostly within small businesses in the informal economy.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ebayimg.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;g&#x2F;9LsAAOSwJnxgO-sr&#x2F;s-l500.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ebayimg.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;g&#x2F;9LsAAOSwJnxgO-sr&#x2F;s-l500.jpg</a>
SentientAtom大约 2 年前
The article makes an error in saying it could be an alternative to an F250, which it can not at all. That said it is a damn good alternative to a side-by-side or Ford Ranger or Chevy S10 for farm use.
swalling大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s not just rural Americans. Japanese 4WD vans, SUVs, and trucks are super hot among Portland hipsters looking for city-friendly vehicles for cargo or road tripping. There are some importers here locally that this is all they do now, like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.javan-imports.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.javan-imports.com&#x2F;</a> The other highly desirable vehicle among this crowd are the J60 series Land Cruisers from the 80s, for fashion reasons more than functional ones though.
0xbadcafebee大约 2 年前
I live in a tiny rural town in NY. There&#x27;s 20 import mini-trucks for sale at the main street intersection. Most of the farms around here seem to have one. They&#x27;re very useful.
throwawaytruck大约 2 年前
Lots of light duty truck hate in this thread. I&#x27;m a rural American who has to plow their own 1k plus foot gravel driveway. I have a used light duty truck and a homestead plow for this purpose. If I didn&#x27;t have to plow, I would love to have a little buggy like one of these for around the farm. I actually strongly dislike trucks,but you really need one for farm and homestead work! My dream would be something like this that has four wheel drive and a 2k plus pound bed capacity.
sircastor大约 2 年前
My wife was really interested in doing this the last time we were talking about a new vehicle. We looked at a lot of trucks and micro vans. There are plenty of people who have done it. My biggest hang ups were related to the variability of laws about microtrucks across states. Some places I can drive it like any other vehicle. Others it’s limited to non-highway travel and locality.<p>Also not being able to see the vehicle firsthand before purchasing.<p>They’re inexpensive though. That’s nice.
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AtlasBarfed大约 2 年前
A wide range of electric vehicles are going to invade to fill up almost all these gaps, especially once cheap sodium ion drivetrains and batteries become available
ccorcos大约 2 年前
Something I’m not seeing mentioned here: I read somewhere (though i can’t find it) that we don’t have small trucks in the US because fuel economy standards are based on wheelbase.<p>That’s why you can’t take an F-150 and put it on a smaller frame and sell it in the US. But many of us want one!<p>I’d love a half-ton truck the size of a 80s Tacoma…<p>I could use some help fact-checking though. I was digging around for primary sources but it’s tough reading…
laurencerowe大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s someone with a lovely little Kei Firetruck in Bernal Heights. Makes me smile every time I walk past it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;local&#x2F;article&#x2F;Meet-Kiri-the-tiny-Japanese-fire-truck-bringing-16137119.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;local&#x2F;article&#x2F;Meet-Kiri-the-tiny...</a>
hahamrfunnyguy大约 2 年前
Not surprising given how impractical and expensive modern pickup trucks are. There seems to be a market for smaller practical vehicles but auto manufactures want to sell trucks and SUVs because they make the most of them.<p>That&#x27;s in large part to light trucks having less stringent fuel-economy regulations.
aidog大约 2 年前
I moved my belongings in a kei trucks to my new place and I just bought a new kei car. I love them, easier to drive than big cars as well. Fun fact, they are more expensive used in Japan than regular cars since they are more desirable for tax reasons and cheaper on the highway.
carabiner大约 2 年前
The original Toyota Tacoma wasn&#x27;t quite this small, but it was a heck of a lot smaller than the current model. It used to be a compact truck, now it is midsized. I hope this trends shows makers there&#x27;s demand for smaller pickups.
jnmandal大约 2 年前
Yeah these things are awesome. Exactly what I need on my land. I hope to get one someday.
twalla大约 2 年前
These vehicles (mostly their van equivalents like the Delica and Hi Ace) are also popular with rural mail carriers since they use their own vehicles and right hand drive enables them to deposit mail without leaving the car.
rco8786大约 2 年前
It makes a ton of sense. Even a base F150 is like 15 feet tall nowadays. A 2023 Ford ranger is bigger than a 2000 F150. I imagine that the market for small trucks didn’t just disappear completely
tibbydudeza大约 2 年前
Our family car a Corolla (I drive a hatchback) was replaced by a Tucson and I considered it big even though it is classed as compact SUV in the US.<p>Well it all made sense when I saw a Kia Telluride.
totetsu大约 2 年前
And Urban Japanese are importing giant American pickup trucks.
asymmetric大约 2 年前
These are really popular in other places too, like Georgia (the country).<p>Often the infotainment system (and the invariably J-pop music) remain in Japanese, which is fun.
Daub大约 2 年前
These cut little trucks are also the perfect form factor for japanese front yards, which tend to be on the tiny size.
ryukoposting大约 2 年前
My university had a small fleet of Kei trucks for groundskeeping. Not sure if&#x2F;how they registered them.
iancmceachern大约 2 年前
Along these lines is the Mahindra Jeep knockoff they&#x27;re about to start selling here
rhema大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s a truck exactly like that a block away from where I live in my rural town.
IAmGraydon大约 2 年前
Pretty sure the mention of “Newport, Virginia” should actually be Newport News.
cramjabsyn大约 2 年前
Ah so you don&#x27;t actually need a lifted turbodiesel for a work truck?
yellowapple大约 2 年前
If these were easier to register here in NV I&#x27;d buy one in a heartbeat.
rocauc大约 2 年前
Asks for mechanics for these trucks are beginning to pop up in rural Iowa.
earthboundkid大约 2 年前
Weirdly two showed up in my neighborhood in Baltimore in the last year.
bagels大约 2 年前
If you&#x27;re in California, this isn&#x27;t for you, sadly.
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fnbr大约 2 年前
man, I want a tiny Japanese pickup truck
everyone大约 2 年前
It is puzzling how <i>everything</i> in the US seems to be <i>excessively</i> large. If you go there it feels like u have shrunk by 15%
guestbest大约 2 年前
I don’t know if those little tires can handle muddy, unpaved country roads like a tractor can.
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