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Null Island is one of the most visited places on Earth, and it doesn’t exist

141 点作者 pncnmnp大约 2 年前

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BrandoElFollito大约 2 年前
I recall that the default place for &quot;unknown&quot; in the US was a spot just next to a farm they was raided by the police on a regular basis because this is where their GPS was directing them. They even had a document to show that explained the thing.<p>I think that this point was ultimately moved to the center of a lake.
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pella大约 2 年前
2022: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2204.08383" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2204.08383</a> ( old discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31080519" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31080519</a> )<p><i>&quot;I think I discovered a military base in the middle of the ocean&#x27; -- Null Island, the most real of fictional places&quot;</i><p>by: Levente Juhasz, Peter Mooney<p><i>&quot;This paper explores Null Island, a fictional place located at 0∘ latitude and 0∘ longitude in the WGS84 geographic coordinate system. Null Island is erroneously associated with large amounts of geographic data in a wide variety of location-based services, place databases, social media and web-based maps. While it was originally considered a joke within the geospatial community, this article will demonstrate implications of its existence, both technological and social in nature, promoting Null Island as a fundamental issue of geographic information that requires more widespread awareness. The article summarizes error sources that lead to data being associated with Null Island. We identify four evolutionary phases which help explain how this fictional place evolved and established itself as an entity reaching beyond the geospatial profession to the point of being discovered by the visual arts and the general population. After providing an accurate account of data that can be found at (0, 0), geospatial, technological and social implications of Null Island are discussed. Guidelines to avoid misplacing data to Null Island are provided. Since data will likely continue to appear at this location, our contribution is aimed at both GIScientists and the general population to promote awareness of this error source.&quot;</i>
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rupellohn大约 2 年前
Strava shows some interesting artifacts there:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strava.com&#x2F;heatmap#13.00&#x2F;0.00000&#x2F;0.00000&#x2F;hot&#x2F;all" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strava.com&#x2F;heatmap#13.00&#x2F;0.00000&#x2F;0.00000&#x2F;hot&#x2F;all</a>
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tialaramex大约 2 年前
Even without Tony Hoare&#x27;s Billion Dollar Mistake, this sort of nonsense is too easy. Do not define types which unnecessarily have a &quot;default&quot; value when you know there is no meaningful default for the intended type.<p>This happens way too much for numeric values. &quot;Not applicable&quot; or &quot;None&quot; aren&#x27;t the same thing as zero, but it is seen for other types too.
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addaon大约 2 年前
Null Island is also the place where so many self-driving cars, UAVs, and navigation systems achieve their best possible performance.<p>I&#x27;ve run across multiple products that represent latitude and longitude as floats internally. At double precision, this is suitable for most purposes... but it does mean that positional precision is maximized in and around Null Island, and slowly decays as you move away.<p>I do wish more folks would represent latitude and longitude as binary angular measure, or other sane fixed point representation.
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bloak大约 2 年前
Perhaps a good API would return some coordinates plus a distance, to give an idea of the accuracy, and if the most likely location is on private property but there is a public place close to the most likely location within the probable region then return the nearest public place instead of the most likely location so as to avoid problems when incompetent users of the API inevitably ignore the accuracy number and send armed police to the given coordinates.<p>In that case (South Pole, 1e6 km) or (Point Nemo, 1e6 km) would be a reasonable response when you have no idea of the location, and if some armed police freeze to death or drown, then diddums!
dang大约 2 年前
Related. Others?<p><i>Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35592960" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35592960</a> - April 2023 (1 comment)<p><i>Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34860299" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34860299</a> - Feb 2023 (1 comment)<p><i>Null Island, the most real of fictional places [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31080519" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31080519</a> - April 2022 (37 comments)<p><i>Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21854780" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21854780</a> - Dec 2019 (56 comments)<p><i>Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21552176" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21552176</a> - Nov 2019 (1 comment)<p><i>Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19329101" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19329101</a> - March 2019 (1 comment)<p><i>If You Can’t Follow Directions, You’ll End Up on Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12090980" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12090980</a> - July 2016 (54 comments)<p><i>The Republic of NULL Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11734180" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11734180</a> - May 2016 (15 comments)<p><i>The Geographical Oddity of Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11600396" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11600396</a> - April 2016 (14 comments)<p><i>The Republic of Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10952593" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10952593</a> - Jan 2016 (2 comments)<p><i>A Brief History of Null Island</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10949292" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10949292</a> - Jan 2016 (7 comments)
freyfogle大约 2 年前
Null Island is great of course, but when it comes to non-existent &quot;places&quot; in the ocean I prefer Point Nemo <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.osm.town&#x2F;@opencage&#x2F;110207798392328927" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.osm.town&#x2F;@opencage&#x2F;110207798392328927</a>
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Stevvo大约 2 年前
Things have a habit of showing up at the world origin in video games when something goes wrong. e.g. In older GTA games there was usually a big pile of cars under the map at 0,0,0. In MSFS multiplayer, planes are showing up at Null Island all the time, because the game teleports you there often when using the developer-mode.
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NelsonMinar大约 2 年前
There&#x27;s a whole Null Archipelago that spans the globe: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smathermather.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;null-archipelago-null-islands-for-all-coordinate-reference-systems&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smathermather.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;10&#x2F;null-archipelago-null-i...</a>
tgflynn大约 2 年前
This makes no sense to me. Generally speaking an application should return an error message or code when something goes wrong, not a potentially valid piece of data. That an entire industry would adopt this kind of workaround for poor software engineering is astonishing.
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rhplus大约 2 年前
Curiously, Google Maps satellite view does show underwater prominences at 0E 0N that are distinctly darker and more detailed than those around it. Perhaps at one point in history there really was an island there.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;maps.app.goo.gl&#x2F;tcBMs8AviWhBdYP69" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;maps.app.goo.gl&#x2F;tcBMs8AviWhBdYP69</a>
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jvanderbot大约 2 年前
We used to get regular support calls from concerned test operators in military uniforms saying something like &quot;the system is heading southeast instead of the direction I sent it&quot;. A bunch of zeros in the command was always the cause. It was our version of &quot;did you try turning it off and on again?&quot;.
SoftTalker大约 2 年前
I thought that is where little Bobby Tables lived?
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b1c837696ba28b大约 2 年前
Null Island is where you will find Bias Beach, the &quot;&#x2F;dev&#x2F;null&quot; of magnetic tape recording. As in, &quot;where is the guide vocal?&quot; &quot;I sent it to Bias Beach to make room for the cowbell.&quot;
ggm大约 2 年前
One of the richest postcodes in Britain exists because office workers marked uncoded addresses with a default and it wound up appearing in stats for GDP&#x2F;income despite being a barren wasteland in reality.
flint大约 2 年前
Colonel Bleep - and it is called Zero Zero Island <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Colonel_Bleep" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Colonel_Bleep</a>
duck大约 2 年前
Via this How can I visit &#x27;Null Island&#x27;? thread [0] I discovered the Confluence project [1] which seems to be web 1.0 at its best.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;travel.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;68027&#x2F;how-can-i-visit-null-island" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;travel.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;68027&#x2F;how-can-i-v...</a> 1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;confluence.org&#x2F;confluence.php?visitid=4040" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;confluence.org&#x2F;confluence.php?visitid=4040</a>
p1mrx大约 2 年前
How often do ships actually go there due to navigational error? Somebody should leave a buoy with cameras or something.<p>Edit: The Gulf of Guinea region has a decent amount of ship traffic, so a ship would have to stop at 0,0 and change direction to count as a navigational error, or a Null tourist.
mackman大约 2 年前
Go look for it on the maps Facebook renders for a fun Easter egg.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.io&#x2F;a&#x2F;zjzZjhQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.io&#x2F;a&#x2F;zjzZjhQ</a><p>I wonder if anyone will recognize it.
worldsayshi大约 2 年前
Seems like the perfect place to build an artificial Island for your anarchist hacker nation if you want to bring a sci-fi novel to life.
zitterbewegung大约 2 年前
Apple defined this as the middle of nowhere in Classic Mac OS I believe.
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Waterluvian大约 2 年前
Let’s create a mess by putting something important there.
atomicbeanie大约 2 年前
Any dumbing down of end-to-end encryption will hand Russia and China nuclear powered hacking tools for our economy, infrastructure and digital integrity.