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Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

1322 点作者 NN88大约 2 年前

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andrewmcwatters大约 2 年前
I wouldn&#x27;t mind touchscreens as long as these imbecile developers would strictly limit UI response time to under 16ms.<p>In no world where you&#x27;re barrelling 3,000+ lbs of mass at tens of miles an hour should you be distracted by some moronic app or subsystem failing to respond in time because it was written by under-experienced software &quot;engineers.&quot;<p>Any software running as a part of a motor vehicle should be federally regulated to not fail response time tests, and if they do, they should be deemed unlawful to be equipped by either the manufacturer or the owner.<p>It&#x27;s absolutely ridiculous that this still happens today, and it doesn&#x27;t have to.<p>So what? You&#x27;ve got physical buttons? Big whoop. That physical button that takes 500ms to respond is still as dangerous. You&#x27;ve just removed one problem.
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checkyoursudo大约 2 年前
With. A. Passion.<p>Other touch screens (or similar things) I dislike:<p>- the controls on my stove top<p>- the controls on my monitor<p>- the controls on my tv<p>- the controls on my thermostat<p>- probably more<p>All of these should have physical buttons for the limited number of functions required. Or, at a minimum, for navigation and confirmation. Touch screens there suck.<p>My wife&#x27;s car has a touch screen on the control&#x2F;infotainment center whatever it&#x27;s called (where the radio is), and a few physical buttons on the steering wheel. There are two clocks: one on the control center, and one in the main dashboard display.<p>The dashboard clock is controlled by the buttons (just one for menu nav and one for confirm selection) is super simple and frustration-free to change. The touch-screen controlled one is a shitty pain the ass.<p>By far the worst though is my touch-controlled stove top. Just give me some damned knobs.
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exabrial大约 2 年前
Pro Tip: So do ER Doctors and Insurance Companies.<p>What would be best is something along the lines of a hybrid aircraft controls. See F&#x2F;A-18 Hornet cockpit. Basically tactile buttons around the perimeter (maybe just side or bottom for consumer), but the options can change. Also for consumers, touchscreen should be a value-add to tactile controls, with hardware buttons as primary. So you could touch-scroll with a finger, but you could also just hit pagedwn tactile button.
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munificent大约 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised the article didn&#x27;t mention one of the key regulations that led to this as an unintended consequence: By law, cars in the US must now have a back-up camera. That means every car <i>must</i> have a screen.<p>Given that, automakers figured they may as well use the damn thing for everything else too and cut costs.<p>It wasn&#x27;t <i>just</i> that they wanted to take away tactile controls to save money. It was that they had to make room in there for the screen anyway, so they figured they&#x27;d make the most of it.
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snow_mac大约 2 年前
I like a big display with buttons on the side. I like getting to see the song name, the station and some of that digital info, I like Apple Maps on Apple car play. Those are nice features. I love the back up camera display. But I have to have a button or knob to adjust temp, audio, next track, etc... because while those things are helpful, when I&#x27;m going down the highway and I need to adjust while paying attention jumping between screens and the road sucksssssss
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flyinghamster大约 2 年前
I think one of the most frustrating aspects of this whole kerfluffle is the automakers&#x27; longstanding willingness to ignore customers and double down at any pushback. It&#x27;s downright stupid that it has taken this level of screaming from customers to roll back a design choice that should never have been made.
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colordrops大约 2 年前
This keeps coming up on Hacker News. It&#x27;s not that drivers hate touch screens. It&#x27;s that most of them are terribly implemented. People hated smartphones until Apple released the iPhone. Just think about smartphones before that. The UX was horrid.<p>I suspect most people in this thread piling onto the hate don&#x27;t own a recent model Tesla. I know that some owners aren&#x27;t fans, but most are. There are three things that make the touch screen on Teslas work unlike other cars:<p>1. The UX - big responsive displays with fast processors and properly designed UIs. They aren&#x27;t an afterthought like most other vehicles. Every time I drive a car other than my Tesla I too hate the half-ass touch screens.<p>2. There are indeed still physical controls still on the Tesla for important functions, e.g. drive control, wipers, and audio selection and volume. It&#x27;s not 100% touch screen.<p>3. Automation and voice controls handle most of the cases where you&#x27;d normally need a knob or button, e.g. wipers and lights are automatic. And voice control seems to be using a state of the art API (Google?) so it works pretty well.
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wlesieutre大约 2 年前
Saw the Impreza’s 2024 redesign, apparently Subaru missed the memo. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carscoops.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;2024-Subaru-Impreza-RS-32.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carscoops.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;2024-Su...</a><p>I recently test drove a Mazda, and while I’ve seen people online complain about their “commander knob” and lack of touch screen, I liked it pretty well. Screen up further on the dashboard is nice for glancing at maps.
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IAmPym大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t think automakers ever thought drivers LIKED touch screens, it was just so much cheaper that someone saw the margins and decided to go for it.<p>When we design synthesizers, the MAJORITY of the cost is in the UI. People need the UI because our industry is all about gestures and mastery. You cannot master when you have a large screen that is not consistent and requires too much interaction.<p>Musicians would call this a feeling of &#x27;menu-diving&#x27; which is almost the worst thing you can say to describe a synth.<p>There are actually some technological advances here where you can create buttons in a touch screen (convex or concave) which does help with some of the issues here, but it isn&#x27;t cheap enough to be an alternative yet. I need to find the links for those
riverdweller大约 2 年前
Tesla unilaterally decided to push out a refactored UI to my old Model S a few months ago, changing the location of numerous functions to new sub-menu paths, and rendering years of muscle memory useless.<p>Not only do I have to re-learn where everything is, but older memories interfere and confuse every time I try to access an infrequently used function.<p>This experience has been irritating at best. It has felt extremely unsafe on more than one occasion.
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1vuio0pswjnm7大约 2 年前
&quot;Although they look fancy, Farah said that carmakers can purchase screens for less than $50, making them significantly less expensive than tactile controls.&quot;
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linkjuice4all大约 2 年前
There was a company (Tactus Technology - now defunct) that had a &quot;morphing&quot; touch screen wherein the surface of the screen could be raised up to provide tactile feedback about &quot;where&quot; your fingers are on the screen (e.g. &#x27;raised&#x27; keys for a keyboard [0]).<p>I recall this being &quot;the next big thing&quot; in touch screens about 10 years ago but the tech didn&#x27;t seem to go anywhere. For small screens such as your phone it was probably overkill but cars seemed like the perfect use case if they could have gotten the technology right.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JelhR2iPuw0">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JelhR2iPuw0</a>
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aikinai大约 2 年前
Someone should do something like this smart knob[0]. It looks incredible.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ip641WmY4pA?t=58" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ip641WmY4pA?t=58</a>
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zx10rse大约 2 年前
Controls from touch screens should be banned.<p>There is a reason why your cognitive memory performs far superior with physical buttons and knobs.<p>There is a reason why formula 1 car steering wheel is full with buttons, not a touch screen.<p>There are plenty of well established UX laws, and principles form 60&#x27;s like Hick&#x27;s law Fitt&#x27;s law and so on. Plenty of studies of failures, because of bad UX.<p>Every time I see tesla model 3 with that big screen, and not only model 3, I cringe so hard.<p>Screens should be integrated in cockpits. Software should enhance the experience not add more cognitive load.<p>I sometimes wonder do they even hire UX specialists or UI designers in those companies.
gkanai大约 2 年前
The US Navy is also replacing touch panels for Navy vessels with physical controls when they found that touch panels were part of the reason of some accidents with Navy vessels.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.usni.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;09&#x2F;navy-reverting-ddgs-back-to-physical-throttles-after-fleet-rejects-touchscreen-controls" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.usni.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;09&#x2F;navy-reverting-ddgs-back-to...</a><p>As someone who has both a car with only a touch panel and a car with only physical controls, I prefer the physical controls every time, all the time.
civilized大约 2 年前
What a gruesome period for cars. It&#x27;s like if Apple held onto the terrible butterfly keyboard for 15 years instead of 5.
bedobi大约 2 年前
Audi have some very recent cars that are completely screen free - they have a screen which <i>completely</i> retracts into the dashboard<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=R_F2dpj5Kas&amp;t=42s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=R_F2dpj5Kas&amp;t=42s</a><p>and if you have analog gauges too, there are no screens. (except the tiny one between the gauges which doesn&#x27;t count imo)<p>They&#x27;re also completely piano black free. Best car interior maybe ever. Thread here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Audi&#x2F;comments&#x2F;w9dkcm&#x2F;what_models_had_the_retractable_screen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Audi&#x2F;comments&#x2F;w9dkcm&#x2F;what_models_ha...</a>
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fuzzy2大约 2 年前
I like touchscreens. They’re great for some types of operation, like selecting a destination from the map (not by entering an address). Or for entering text using an on-screen keyboard (when a physical keyboard is not available). So yes, cars should have touchscreens!<p>However, this is all stuff you wouldn’t do while driving. So while driving, you need something else: physical controls. I believe BMW’s iDrive knob is the best solution. It’s so good, other manufacturers copied it. So yes, cars should also have physical buttons!<p>Also, physical buttons <i>must not</i> be touch surfaces. They must be actual mechanical physical buttons. My EV has capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. They’re horrible.
vinay_ys大约 2 年前
Any controls that&#x27;s not on the steering wheel is a distraction. If there are very few buttons or dials for very simple&#x2F;standard&#x2F;common functions on the centre dash, that&#x27;s okay. Anything more is definitely not safe to operate in a busy and fast moving traffic situations. All the touch-screen stuff is only safe to operate in very slow-moving traffic jam situations.
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logicalmonster大约 2 年前
For the life of me I can&#x27;t find the link, but there was an awesome HN or Reddit post a few years back where a designer tried to design a touchscreen experience that might work for cars that takes into account that drivers can&#x27;t focus on the screen.<p>It&#x27;s been years since I&#x27;ve seen it so I probably don&#x27;t remember the exact details, but I think it worked by the system working based on gestures wherever the drivers&#x27; hand touched the screen so you didn&#x27;t need to touch a specific tiny target in a moving car.
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hkatx大约 2 年前
I like mazda approach to their infotainment. The initial boot is slow(2019 model new one may have faster boots), but once it loads, i am very happy with the way it works. Once the car is running or over a certain speed, the touch functionality of the touch screen is disabled. The rotary dial that is easy to reach can be used to do all the functions I need on my infotainment. HVAC are physical buttons as well as volume is a physical knob.<p>Once I got used to the rotary dial, I never needed to touch the screen again.
DecoPerson大约 2 年前
Spinny-dial-based input, with the dial located just behind the shifter (just in front of where the cupholders usually are), is the best input method developed for cars so far.<p>The forces the UI to be a flat list in terms of navigation (rather than a 2d-space-filling UX mess). And being a flat 1d list, it encourages the list be short, which means more submenus, which is good!<p>If menus are consistent, you can mostly control without taking your eyes off the road.<p>Apple CarPlay already works with this input method.
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brenns10大约 2 年前
I fully agree with ditching distracting screens for safety reasons, but this article focuses more on customers disliking the screens. Maybe my 2017 Civic is not new enough to experience that frustration? It has a touchscreen with Android Auto.<p>All of my environment controls are on buttons and knobs beneath the screen. I&#x27;m comfortable adjusting with the smallest of glances. The only downside here is that the knob is just hooked up to the display, so it has no minimum or maximum: you see the level that is currently set on the screen. A reasonable compromise.<p>Music controls and cruise control on the wheel. Easily skip, pause, play, and adjust volume or radio stations with the left hand, and also voice control or hang up the phone. Right hand has cruise control. And of course blinkers, wipers, headlights on the sticks at either side of the wheel. Hazard lights are a physical button over the screen. Automatic gear shifter is at the center console.<p>The only things I can&#x27;t do with physical button&#x2F;knob and maybe a brief glance, are select playlists in Spotify, and make changes to Google maps. But for the most part, I don&#x27;t need to do that while in motion, and I think they should disable those inputs at speed unless a passenger is in the car doing it. Voice control is a decent option for some of it, but it&#x27;s honestly a bit distracting too, since voice control sometimes messes up and you need to focus on the screen&#x2F;response too much.<p>So I guess all of that to say, please do get rid of some of the touchscreen controls for safety. (Also add speed limiters in cities and neighborhoods, for safety). But I guess I&#x27;m surprised that customers are the ones revolting here.
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VBprogrammer大约 2 年前
Our car has a decent sized touch screen and I think it&#x27;s great. I can browse Spotify rather whatever CD I left in the car 3 years ago, I can use Google maps rather than the rubbish build in navigation, I can set the clock to BST without getting the manual out etc.<p>However, none of the cars primary controls are on the touch screen. Air-conditioned, volume, gear selector, menus for range and fuel consumption all have physical buttons.
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bloak大约 2 年前
Another thing I hate: user interfaces in which the visual&#x2F;audible feedback is independent of whether the input has taken effect. This is distressingly common. Even self-checkout tills in supermarkets do this. For example, you touch a button on the screen, and it changes colour briefly, seemingly to indicate that the button press has been registered, but then nothing happens and you have to press the button again to get your receipt printed or whatever. This is the more common case, but sometimes with the same device you also have the button press taking effect without the visual feedback.<p>I think I observed full independence of feedback and effect with a physical button on a microwave oven: when you attempted to press the button you sometimes got a beep, and the time sometimes got incremented by 10 s, or perhaps 20 s, and sometimes you&#x27;d get both those things, and sometimes you&#x27;d get just one of them. It must take real skill to design an appliance with a physical button that &quot;works&quot; like that, but some genius engineer managed to do it. I hope that person never gets a job in the car industry.
StillBored大约 2 年前
Its just bad UI, companies in the past tested their products and solicited feedback before casting it in stone. Be that OS vendors, or car manufactures. I&#x27;m not sure where to lay the blame, but maybe a lot of it has to do with modern CAD, etc which allows most of the design to be done virtually before anyone actually tries it out.<p>So its not just an argument of touchscreens vs buttons, its how you interact with those buttons too. My pet peve as a driver of a car that still has a _key_ is that pretty much all the automakers have standardized on a single start button to reflect a state machine with 4+ distinct states and the process for transitioning between the states varies slightly from vehicle to vehicle. And now you might have to differentiate between short pushes and long pushes, and spend a moment considering what state its in before performing it. A tactile knob with off-acc-on would probably be just fine but wouldn&#x27;t have been as &quot;cool&quot; and costs $.10 more a car.
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DeathArrow大约 2 年前
What are some car makers who offer now buttons over touch screen interfaces? I plan to change my car in one year and I would like one with buttons on the dashboard.
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grensley大约 2 年前
I drive a 2008 Hyundai Elantra, and with the addition of a bluetooth adaptor, I really have everything I want in a car.<p>It&#x27;s got no idea what&#x27;s going on, and I like it that way.
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egberts1大约 2 年前
Even US Navy prohibits touchscreens on weapon systems and radars.<p>Slapping your ship bow from the crest might likely press the wrong coordinate or fire button instead.
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friend_and_foe大约 2 年前
I just don&#x27;t understand the need for &quot;infotainment&quot; in cars. I carry a screen in my pocket that I mount to my dashboard. It does a much better job of navigating me around and enabling me to talk to people than any goofy head unit with UX designed at a car manufacturer ever could.<p>All I need in a car is a knob for the air conditioning and a knob for the volume. I still just use a single din aftermarket stereo that plays music from an SD card. I will never have anything more. I will drive cars as old as myself if I have to for the rest of my life before I allow some car manufacturer to push me around.
BrandoElFollito大约 2 年前
I do not think drivers hate touchscreens. I think drivers hate idiot developers and their idiot management.<p>First the touchscreens&#x27; esthetics are in the 90&#x27;s.<p>Then the touchscreens&#x27; performance are in the 90&#x27;s<p>Third the management strategy is to piss off the drivers by shoving down their throats the two above.<p>I dream of a car where I (that is me personally) can set up what I want to see.<p>I do not give a fuck about the temperature of the engine or my EV efficiency. I want a huge digital speed meter and a smaller distance I can drive with my current fioul. And that&#x27;s all.<p>Is it that difficult to provide a default setup and then let the user choose what they want to see on their reactive touchscreen?<p>Toyota managed in my RAV4 to create the dashboard I hate most, with passion.
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winstonprivacy大约 2 年前
We were in the market last year for a new car. After test driving a few with touch screens, we decided to instead go for a barely driven 10 year old model. No touch screens and far fewer digital parts and connections which well eventually break.<p>That cost Mercedes $150k.
ggm大约 2 年前
I live with somebody who glitches many touch screens. I don&#x27;t know if its fingernails, softness of touch, tremor, press time, strength, hesitency, its just not a good experience for them. Ever.<p>They are the best driver. By far. Distance separation, 3-cars ahead aware, road wise, maintains situational awareness. They got driving.<p>I do the touch screen shit. Its voice activated, let my fingers do the walkin&#x27;<p>Seriously if they could get a car with only mecha buttons and knobs they&#x27;d be significantly better off. Otherwise, it&#x27;s down to the co-pilot for that stuff, Driver&#x27;s got drivin eyes for the road, no time to waste on touch screen.
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HeavyStorm大约 2 年前
Let me just say it: at some point I felt the industry was flooded by &quot;UX professionals&quot; coming from other backgrounds that knew a lot about making software look good and zero about making it usable.
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nologic01大约 2 年前
There is plenty of room on a car&#x27;s dashboard to separate the vital, tactile, muscle memory UI from the informative, visual, reconfigurable, and essentially optional UI.<p>Touchscreen craze is a suboptimal choice not out of some serious constraint.<p>What the article points at is just another manifestation of market arrangements (the relative power of manufacturers versus the information and power of consumers) that are slow to generate the counterwailing forces needed to correct course.<p>A decade of excess accidents here, a decade of screen addiction there and pretty soon you talk about serious negative impact.
kmarc大约 2 年前
A bit off topic but I enjoyed reading the conversation here from people with different perception &#x2F; opinion about touch vs button.<p>I&#x27;m more on the button side of the argument, but that&#x27;s not the point.<p>I rather wonder how many years from now would I think back of these arguments as some &quot;could have happened in the past but now it&#x27;s absolutely irrelevant&quot;, as autonomous cars* would take over, and human-driven ones would be lawfully banned on 99% of the roads*, as horse carriages are banned today compared to 100 years ago.<p>* or their future equivalents
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mydriasis大约 2 年前
I can blindly feel may way around the dash of my 1999 and get some stuff done without taking my eyes off the road at all. I&#x27;ll be glad if a 2028 shares that feature when the time comes.
gambiting大约 2 年前
And yet VW is going balls to the wall and just announced that the ID.7 will feature even more touchscreen integration, with removal of all physical shortcut buttons. They are literally insane. I know someone who is getting rid of their brand new MK8 golf over this, the controls are downright unusable. Every review of id3&#x2F;4&#x2F;5 mentions this as a major negative, yet VW just sticks their fingers in their ears and goes &quot;lalalalalalalala can&#x27;t hear you&quot;.
hinkley大约 2 年前
&lt;picture of Leo Dicaprio pointing energetically&gt;<p>The ridiculous thing is we should just be about at the point of programmable buttons and instead we have an embedded webapp running our car.
atoav大约 2 年前
As an hardware guy with a love for good interfaces I can only say: told ya so (ca. 5 years ago).<p>Touch screens can be nice for a lot of things, but sometimes actual haptic feedback and positional consistency is worth more than the flexibility gained. Especially in devices or machines we interact with multiple hours a day, where flexibility isn&#x27;t the point. E.g. a tablet using a touch screen makes a lot of sense, as that flexibility makes sense here. But it makes less sense in a car, except maybe for the entertainment system and even there actual physical switches, dials and levers can be superiour in terms of usability.<p>What I <i>love</i> are really nice things like motor faders on upper class mixing desks. You have a physical interface that can follow whatever digital state you have stored, it is just perfect.<p>There is a future in devices that combine screens, physical dials, levers and latches with haptic feedback, e.g. like this amazing project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;scottbez1&#x2F;smartknob">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;scottbez1&#x2F;smartknob</a><p>(A dial with a motor and a screen, which allows for virtual &quot;limits&quot; and dedents)
erfgh大约 2 年前
The problem is that people love touch screens. I could never figure that out. I have always hated touch screens. They are imprecise, dirty, they inevitably hide information when you have to place your hand over them and they make packing information tightly really hard.<p>But, people love them because they have what appears to be zero learning curve and people hate to learn even the simplest of tasks.
martyvis大约 2 年前
Such a great article. My current car, a 2018 Subaru Outback, has an infotainment touch screen, that I use, but it really isn&#x27;t that much better than the older button controls on my 2007 Toyota Landcruiser. I&#x27;m glad in both cars control of cabin air is reasonably manual - the Subaru made really strange choices though with button positions for fan speed. (I do love the big MAX AC button that in an Aussie summer has the satisfaction of I guess blamming the &quot;Easy&quot; button. I do like having a responsive smart phone for navigation, calls while driving. While I have used Android Auto at times to display on Subaru console screen, it just seems a bit laggy and takes your eyes off the road. I like my phone on a windscreen hard in corner where I finger it while keep my hands on the wheel if I need to.<p>I really am not looking forward to what the offerings might be available when I likely will change out the current Landcruiser for something to help me tow a caravan for some retirement adventures.
jimnotgym大约 2 年前
Well the market is failing again...<p>Manufacturers continue to push unsafe changes on us, as well as infuriating changes, to save money. The comments here are full of people complaining about it...<p>Time for more regulation. Tactile buttons, reasonable response time. How about some actual qualifications for people working in this field? We have Chartered Engineers, Accountants etc. Why not software engineers?
emptybits大约 2 年前
The Ineos Grenadier (available now in Australia and Europe and apparently within the year in North America) has a buttonful dash and also cockpit-style switches above. With additional knockouts above to add your own. Fully gloved operation of anything critical.<p>Great trend for getting into a truck with cold, wet, gloved hands and wanting to do anything. Like adjust heat and seat heat and defrosters.
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rektide大约 2 年前
We are just going to be ping-ponging back &amp; forth between three idiotic subideal situations, buttons versus touchscreens versus phone control.<p>It&#x27;s going to be a decade of no synergy, of no programmability, of no softness.<p>Ideally there are semi flexible reconfigurable systems, with a couple physical buttons &amp; knobs, and some touchscreen displays, and the phones can also via local area APIs be given permission to control &amp; manipulate the car too.<p>But we just don&#x27;t have a mature software ecosystem in general to support the complex assortment of peripherals (av, hvac, lighting, windows, seats, etc) that cars present. This is a crisis because it&#x27;s one of the softest most configurable most attuneable things mankind has made, and we have only crude ability to carve in stone some choices that then will broadly apply. These systems are firmer than soft, and that&#x27;s a broad problem the CS world in general has helped little with in the last decade (after extremely involved &amp; interested work in uniquotous &amp; pervasive computing simmered away).
arethuza大约 2 年前
One thing I find weird is that on my Skoda the &quot;infotainment&quot; screen is fairly laggy - particularly when starting up. However, the &quot;virtual cockpit&quot; screen responds instantly - even though what it displays looks more complex than the infotainment screen.<p>Mind you the &quot;virtual cockpit&quot; isn&#x27;t a touchscreen and button only (mostly on steering wheel).
yotamoron大约 2 年前
Finally, some sense.<p>Personally, I want a car with as little interaction as possible. Sometimes I feel like a machine operator and not just a driver, especially when it&#x27;s raining or when I need to defrost the windshield - constant hassling with whatever just to make things work.<p>How the hell is this progress? I want a car that does all the simple things for me - turn on the wipers at the right speed when its raining, defrost the windshield, knows when to heat&#x2F;cool the car etc etc. You know - just learn me and do it. This recent (10+ years) idea of adding more and more levers and buttons and cool screens to a car, to a point where it looks like an F-15 cockpit, might appeal to under-developed young males, but I really had enough. When I was younger, when you got into a new car, it took 2 minutes before you understood everything that needs to be understood and could safely driver with it. Now days you have to spend 10-15 minutes just to understand how to release the parking brake.
kwhitefoot大约 2 年前
I don&#x27;t. My Model S has a good combination of physical and virtual controls, all the things I need to control the car are on the steering column, the less frequently used things are on the touch screen and voice recognition. The latency is also good.<p>But from what I have heard about many other vehicles with touch interfaces not all cars are so well designed
pfannkuchen大约 2 年前
I think this mostly applies to bad or cheap touch screens, which most cars today have. I used to be strongly in the anti touch screen camp, but after getting a car where the touch screen is basically an iPad in terms of display quality and touch input quality and size, I surprisingly don’t really mind it. Good voice control also helps a ton.
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steveBK123大约 2 年前
It&#x27;s not just the touch screens, it&#x27;s the contextual menus &amp; moving buttons from version to version (ahem, Tesla). It completely breaks your muscle memory.<p>I had to take my car to the dealer for service and they gave me a loaner. Both my car &amp; the loaner had physical buttons, knobs and dials in addition to touch screen (BMW iDrive). However they were different model years &#x2F; models &#x2F; iDrive versions so all the buttons&#x2F;dials were in slightly different places.<p>It felt like driving my Tesla again where the muscle memory is lost for adjusting HVAC&#x2F;wipers&#x2F;radio since suddenly moved on me. It is noticeably more distracting and less safe since you need to take eyes off the road more often, for longer.<p>The ultimate for me is the on-wheel controls &amp; HUD for some basic radio, nav, ADAS, speed, etc so you barely even need to look at your dashboard, let alone center touch screen.
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codegeek大约 2 年前
ADT the security company started doing touchscreens for their panels and I hate it so much even though I am a tech guy etc. Give me the old school physical keypad any day. I will never buy a Tesla because I sat in one with a friend and I was like no way I am relying on an entire computer&#x2F;touch screen to run a car.
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Unklejoe大约 2 年前
Can we talk about capacitive buttons while we’re at it? Worse in every way from a usability perspective. Supposedly more reliable, yet I’ve had plenty of failures.<p>My damn dishwasher has capacitive buttons…a dishwasher - something you use while your hands are wet like 90% of the time. Infuriating.
analog31大约 2 年前
My family&#x27;s 2020 Subaru has a touch screen. It is only for noncritical stuff -- the climate control has conventional buttons and knobs. With that said, the placement of the screen makes the rest of the controls sit much lower, so I have to look for them.<p>I&#x27;ve found a &quot;look twice&quot; method minimizes the time that my eyes are off the road. I take one quick glance, to find the button that I want to push. Then a second quick look to actually push it.<p>Based on complaints I&#x27;ve read about Subaru controls, they must have fixed a lot of problems in the latest version. It really does work nicely, though it does scold me once in a while. I love the adaptive cruise control, and I don&#x27;t mind something that keeps me from falling asleep while driving.
big_paps大约 2 年前
A good mechanical UI is somewhat timeless. Touchscreens just look supercheap and tasteless in cars.
jmyeet大约 2 年前
Using a touchscreen while driving has the obvious problem that you have to look at the screen vs physical buttons where tactile feedback and muscle memory can be sufficient.<p>But the problem is way beyond that and goes way beyond cars. Touch UIs are inherently lazy and they encourage you to create bad UI&#x2F;UX. Why? Because your UI becomes software and you can always update it later. The net result is you don&#x27;t.<p>Having tactile buttons forces you to do upront UI&#x2F;UX work to make sure you have sufficient buttons, they make sense, etc. It&#x27;s a cost-saving issue to just not do this kind of work.<p>In any touchscreen on a car you&#x27;ll find abasic options buried menus deep to the point where you have to Google where to find it. That&#x27;s a big reason why touchscreens suck.
josefresco大约 2 年前
Related: Drones (aka flying bladed copters) should have a hardware &quot;land&quot; button. To land my DJI I have to tap and hold a touchscreen button on my phone which is sometimes obscured by the apps notifications, or notifications from my phone.
rkagerer大约 2 年前
Good. Give me a space shuttle dashboard worth of buttons, knobs, levers and switches. I&#x27;d love a Play&#x2F;Pause button that&#x27;s always in the same spot, a clock that never disappears, temperature and volume dials I can turn without looking, etc.
stephc_int13大约 2 年前
Screens or touchscreens are useless without full visual focus.<p>Physical buttons can still be used without constantly looking at them, this is a huge difference.<p>Touchscreens should be considered as a low-cost fallback when better solutions are unpractical or too costly.<p>They rarely provide a better experience.
cflynnus大约 2 年前
I have no problem with the Tesla touchscreen. I don&#x27;t want a car with physical buttons.
robomartin大约 2 年前
Anyone who thinks touchscreens are a good idea for cars should somehow be given the task of driving an operating a car at 200 mph (320 kph) while messing with it. Maybe in a full aircraft-style motion simulator. Or, better yet, on the Nurburgring.<p>I can&#x27;t think of a single racecar with a touchscreen for any control the driver must interact with while driving. And these are trained, experienced professional drivers. Auto makers want Grandma to keep the car on the road while messing with a touchscreen!?<p>Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes F1 cars would be a pile of smoldering carbon fiber almost instantly if the drivers had to use touchscreens. They would be impossible to drive.
jillesvangurp大约 2 年前
I think there are maybe also a fair bit of car manufacturers that are simply rushing old converted ICE models with a battery to market that also really suck at doing anything with software (like VW). It&#x27;s easier for them to do what they have been doing for decades than do something new. It&#x27;s not so much that they don&#x27;t like touch screens but that they lack the ability to develop good software for them. Particularly most manufacturers mentioned in the article.<p>As for dangerous trends and Tesla, they do have excellent safety related metrics. There&#x27;s very little evidence of their cars being more dangerous. The opposite actually.
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JumpCrisscross大约 2 年前
&gt; <i>NHTSA published voluntary guidance in 2013 recommending that a driver be able to complete any infotainment task with glances of under two seconds, totaling a maximum of 12 seconds. But NHTSA’s guidance had no enforcement mechanism, and carmakers have violated it with impunity.<p>In the last two years further evidence has suggested that touchscreens represent a step backward for auto design. Drexel researchers found that infotainment systems posed a statistically significant crash risk even in the early 2010s, before carmakers added many of today’s bells and whistles.</i><p>Has anyone attempted certifying a class?
whynotkeithberg大约 2 年前
I have a 2015 VW GTI with a touch screen in front... My Border Collie rides shotgun 99% of the time and the touch screen malfunctions like crazy because he constantly sends bits of slobber running down it. I have to hold the button down for 10 seconds to reset it quite often because it will randomly just keep triggering a button press skipping songs, or going into a random menu.<p>I should have just replaced it with a different deck, but the area it fills with that screen is rather large and it will be hard to find something that looks good in the gap that doesn&#x27;t also have a screen.
jordanpg大约 2 年前
I wouldn&#x27;t hate them so much if they didn&#x27;t suck: slow, laggy, buggy, overcomplicated, bloated.<p>Why is this? My few datapoints are 2016, 2017, and 2021 Subarus.<p>Are there any cars out there with sharp, snappy UIs that actually work well?
wackycat大约 2 年前
You especially hate touchscreens if you have a Mazda with the &quot;ghost touch&quot; issue where the touchscreen will be randomly activated. Fun examples of things ghost touch has done for me - call a random spam number back, turn navigation guidance volume to full blast, adjust the music settings such that it is all bass or all treble. Only certain years, not mine, are covered by the recall even though it affects more years. Fix is 1200 to replace the whole nav set up. Or taking off the dash and disconnecting the touchscreen.
toss1大约 2 年前
This is really fundamental<p>The job of the cockpit designer is to 1) minimize the workload on the pilot&#x2F;driver while providing 2) maximum practical ability to control the vehicle. Period.<p>Ergonomic design to control the vehicle. Period. End of story. Style shouldn&#x27;t even be in the top 10 considerations.<p>ALL of this touchscreen, flattening and making the buttons the same, making unique configurations may be wonderful for the mental masturbation of the designers, but it is not even in the same profession as vehicle design.<p>The pilot&#x2F;driver should be able to make maximal use of prior knowledge (i.e., ways of doing things that are standard, either by law or by previous consensus), and make maximal use tactile and auditory feedback (e.g., buttons and dials with a familiar and distinct feeling and positive feedback) to minimize the need to direct vision anywhere other than out the windshield and mirrors.<p>Well-designed display controls can be fantastic - - - - IF AND ONLY IF - the work is put into the design to minimize pilot&#x2F;driver workload. Anything requiring a menu structure as we use on desktop machines is potentially deadly. Just because we are familiar with menu structures does not mean that they can be operated while negotiating traffic in the rain hurtling down the road at 30 meters per second. Any designer or manager who thinks that is reasonable or acceptable is incompetent. (obvious exception here is extensive setup operations to be done whilst parked)<p>And, if you are going to put in a touchscreen that does have these characteristics, then at least allow the passenger to use it whilst in motion - you have the damn seat sensor data on the CAN bus for the airbag, so use it for the UI. I understand not wanting to be liable for crashing someone with your incompetent UI, but impairing use of the car &amp; navigation just makes it worse<p>Which brings us back to: just do the hard and expensive work of properly designing the cockpit UI. And spend the extra few bucks for good knobs and buttons. I&#x27;ll happily pay $1000 more for something that works, is a pleasure to use, and isn&#x27;t trying to make me fight it and risk my life every time I use it for the designer&#x27;s ego and&#x2F;or the manager&#x27;s budget.
neom大约 2 年前
Relevant from last month:<p>Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars -- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35253753" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35253753</a>
hahamrfunnyguy大约 2 年前
Bought a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The software UX is so bad and the car&#x27;s systems are so buggy. One example is that if you don&#x27;t shut the door all the way and shift into drive you get a beeping sound and a big red message that says<p>SHIFT [p] into range<p>I don&#x27;t understand what that means. Is it telling me to put the car back into park? Why not just say the door is open? My &#x27;05 Subaru had lights on the dashboard that showed each door that was open - a really sensible way of indicating what to do without having to read anything.
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bumby大约 2 年前
The amount and strength of the responses on this thread simultaneously underscores how utterly reliant we are on software and also how bad the state of general software quality has become
1-6大约 2 年前
I like tactile buttons when I&#x27;m focusing on the road. Looking away from the road to see if I have my finger in the correct place on a screen is much more costly from an attention standpoint.<p>I thought this was obvious. Why are we stating it?<p>Here&#x27;s where things can get interesting. If you&#x27;ve ever used a fancy audio mixer before, they pack a lot of features into a board with a few buttons and sliders. Cars can do similarly with controls for rolling, sliding, and pressing but dynamically adjust based on what&#x27;s on the display.
toby3d大约 2 年前
The main advantage of physical buttons compared to touch screens: you can&#x27;t put ads in them. I immediately imagine a situation in a new car where the steering wheel has been replaced with a screen[1] and right as you drive, &quot;you can regain control after watching this short five-second commercial&quot;.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ID_AA_Carmack&#x2F;status&#x2F;1646181161037713414" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ID_AA_Carmack&#x2F;status&#x2F;1646181161037713414</a>
egberts1大约 2 年前
Always hated touchscreen. As a deaf driver, I hate taking my eyes off of the road to access the dashboard panel, ESPECIALLY if the panel has no definitive ridge, bumps, switch nor knobs.
NoZebra120vClip大约 2 年前
The cab company I use has a touchscreen and POS for use by passengers, as is customary.<p>Cab drivers often try to reach around back and manipulate the POS for me, which I detest. They are not supposed to be touching that, especially when I am deciding their tip for them.<p>Anyway, the touchscreen, upon flag drop, immediately invites you to tap it thrice if you are vision-impaired, to activate an accessible voice interface. I did this once, and it apparently disabled the POS and we could&#x27;t figure out how to pay my fare. Never again!
docorc大约 2 年前
Cars can use a single button to activate most of the controls by using Android Auto&#x2F;Apple&#x2F;Tesla style voice commands so they do not have to visually do it on touchscreen.
tricksforfree大约 2 年前
Question for car owners with massive screens in the console who live in rural areas:<p>Does the ambient interior light from the screen + dashboard overpower your ability to see the road at night?
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teo_zero大约 2 年前
Let&#x27;s be clear: the Porsche Cayenne 2024 is still the deathly oversized SUV it used to be, just a tiny bit less so because they put buttons back in one specific spot!
matty22大约 2 年前
Ideal world:<p>The only thing the screen does is backup camera and provide bluetooth connection to CarPlay and AA and _maybe_ some tucked away very rarely used settings for things I definitely don&#x27;t need while driving. No car company is going to write software that is better than CarPlay because a: they aren&#x27;t Apple and b: my phone is also where all of my music, podcasts, contacts, map history, etc. is located.<p><i>Everything else</i> has a physical button.
ChrisMarshallNY大约 2 年前
In case it wasn&#x27;t referenced before, there was this great article, last year, about this very thing: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30140984" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30140984</a><p>Scott Jenson is probably one of the top UX people in the world. I hope Tesla listened to his valuable free advice.<p>It&#x27;s just as likely that Musk declared him a &quot;pedo guy,&quot; and ignored his advice.
brandonagr2大约 2 年前
Is the entire premise of this article based on an intentional misunderstanding of JD Power saying &quot;J.D. Power sees an average of 49.9 PP100 for infotainment-related items, including issues with voice-recognition systems, smartphone connectivity, and Bluetooth connection difficulties&quot;<p>Which might argue that drivers hate bad interfaces that most automakers are notorious for, but doesn&#x27;t talk about touchscreens as an interface specifically.
kk6mrp大约 2 年前
Why is nobody putting E-Ink displays in cars? I don&#x27;t particularly mind the touchscreen aspect, but the screens are way too bright for driving.
meling大约 2 年前
I try to not use the touchscreen while driving, but if I need to I will ensure to enable adaptive cruise control or FSD. Not perfect but helps. But we should have buttons for the most important functions at least. In terms of removing the screen, which some vendors seem to pride themselves with doesn’t seem like a good option. The larger screen is quite helpful when parking.
popey大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve had an EV for a year now (a Mini). It has a touch screen, but also has a bunch of buttons. I almost <i>never</i> use the touchscreen as a result, and when I do, it&#x27;a annoying. Typing addresses into the navigation system is painful, even for the passenger, while driving. The various buttons and wheels which augment the touchscreen are way more usable.
martindbp大约 2 年前
Yes, tactile buttons are better for the user. But that won&#x27;t matter in the long run as cars become more and more autonomous. Tesla&#x27;s FSD for instance is far from perfect (and MobilEye will bring this to other brands), but when not actively controlling the vehicle 99% of the time, tactile buttons vs touchscreens becomes much less of an issue.
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mitchdoogle大约 2 年前
I always thought phones and other devices benefitted from keeping a few physical buttons for repetitive or key tasks. With phones, three buttons across the bottom are great - for going back or to the home screen for example. For a car, I can imagine that volume, climate control, defrost, things like that - should be kept as physical buttons
AlbertCory大约 2 年前
For some reason that I take no credit for, my voice works perfectly with most voice recognition systems I&#x27;ve tried. I still hate encountering it on an 800 number.<p>My favorite story, though, was when someone left a voice message for me in Vietnamese, and Google&#x27;s VR system tried to interpret it as English. &quot;How about goddamn lunch?&quot; is the thing I remember.
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ssalka大约 2 年前
I feel compelled to share a video, now 9 years old, that shows how touch screens could be accommodated with sensible design in cars. The UIs we are used to on our phones are not suitable for driving, but we could make something that is.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XVbuk3jizGM">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XVbuk3jizGM</a>
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amiga1200大约 2 年前
Automakers admit? It&#x27;s not theirs to admit to. Touchscreens are the only way to go. Buttons on phones went out years ago. I still have to look for buttons on my ICE car, and worse yet the buttons are hidden under the steering, have different tactile feel. And that&#x27;s just this one manufacturer!
d_runs_far大约 2 年前
While we&#x27;re ranting about the &#x27;infotainment&#x27; systems on cars, how about the apps? The Kia Connect enrages me every time I have to use it for my wife&#x27;s car. It makes the in-car system seem snappy and awesome. The fact that they want to start charging for it after the &#x27;trial&#x27; period is un-believable.
trollied大约 2 年前
I can move my left hand down to leg height, and feel 4 buttons and a jog dial (and that&#x27;s for things that aren&#x27;t on the steering wheel). I know what all of them do. I don&#x27;t need to look. The menus are at eye level so I don&#x27;t need to look away from the road. This sort of thing should not be changed to touchscreens.
bigmattystyles大约 2 年前
I feel vindicated in a high school argument I had 25 years ago that the controls on the Star Trek Next Generation shuttlecrafts (and I guess the helm of the enterprise itself) would have been awful, especially in combat situations. In defense of the show, it must have felt like such a valid reason to make set design cheaper.
piuantiderp大约 2 年前
Bigger pet peeve, cars today are made for hunched over people. The headrest just a ridiculous amount out from the back
irrational大约 2 年前
I recently drove a 2020 rental with a touchscreen 3,500 miles. The touchscreen was okay because the car had physical controls for all the things you might want to fiddle with while driving, like A&#x2F;C. I had the touchscreen set to navigation the whole time, so I didn’t really fiddle with it.
nashashmi大约 2 年前
remember the time when GM said it’s not going to include CarPlay in its vehicles? And how most of hn was in revolt?<p>here comes News that says we should get rid of touchscreens, why is hn supporting this? (For the record, I hated touch screens in cars before that was a thing and I am OK with gm removing carplay.)
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phkahler大约 2 年前
Another overlooked &quot;feature&quot; I see on GM cars. The &quot;reverse&quot; lights are turned on when the car is in park. Not sure why, but it&#x27;s training me to partially ignore backup lights in parking lots, because they no longer mean a vehicle is going to back up.
code_runner大约 2 年前
I thought I would hate it but I really don’t mind mine. I like a few important buttons on the steering wheel but I always to look to remember which is which anyways.<p>Maybe I don’t drive far enough often enough. I honestly expected to hate it but it’s made almost no difference to me.
awill88大约 2 年前
Does anyone else feel the timing is somewhat suspicious? I don’t know a single conversation I’ve had with anyone literally bitchin about how much they despise not having a button. PITA sure, but feels oddly close to all this supply chain stuff.. I’m probably nuts here..
eschneider大约 2 年前
If I can’t operate it by feel with gloves on, I don’t want it. I usually turn off the dash lights at night to improve night vision so big displays are no good anyways. CarPlay is ok as it’ll do most of what I need by voice and if it doesn’t, it’s not critical.
KingOfCoders大约 2 年前
Driving a BMW X3 recently and a Tesla Model Y, I want a compromise. The Tesla had to few buttons (but I&#x27;d keep the display, though HUD is nicer) and the BMW had to many buttons and the display felt 1990.<p>(Also it was so much easier to find settings in the Tesla)
crazymoka大约 2 年前
They should have a nice balance of both. You can run an entire touch screen UI with the dial nob like the Genesis use in the centre console. I can do everything from the &quot;spinning button&quot; without really having to take my eyes off the road.
MangezBien大约 2 年前
I know car software is an afterthought for companies because most consumers don&#x27;t make their car buying decisions based on how good the software is, but if any company made truly intuitive car software, I would be won as a customer.
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feintruled大约 2 年前
I wonder if we will go back to the Star Trek paradigm, where everything is big chunky buttons and anything complex is initiated by voice control to a computer that understands you perfectly. (TOS of course, TNG went all in on touch screens).
m3kw9大约 2 年前
Touch screen suck because is hard to remember vs same spot and single function. You get 3-4 layers or pressing before getting the it. But if you need more features, you also cannot make your dash like a 747. So touch screen it is.
azubinski大约 2 年前
Has this really happened? But any BMW or Mazda driver who has both a touchscreen and a normal control field with physical buttons and knobs under his right hand knows perfectly well that a touchscreen is completely perfectly useless.
electrondood大约 2 年前
Drivers hate touchscreens when siloed legacy automakers try to slap together what they think is a good dashboard.<p>Sometimes you drive a car and you can just feel that every component was designed in isolation and then tossed over the fence.
tapvt大约 2 年前
I replaced the stereo in my ‘05 Tacoma with a new, touchscreen-with-CarPlay head unit. I hate not having a physical volume knob.<p>I do love the modern features. But hunting for that volume up&#x2F;down button for a maddening while driving and unsafe.
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DrBazza大约 2 年前
Anything that I have to look at it in a car, other than the road is a danger.<p>I&#x27;m actually shocked that the various safety bodies in the US and Europe haven&#x27;t already tried to limit the touch screen nonsense in modern cars.
omgomgomgomg大约 2 年前
Drove a bmw 2 series last week, you have to move forward ypur whole upper body to touch the screen, theres no way to reach the screen without getting into a very unsafe position.<p>Am 6ft.<p>Bmw used to do ergonomics and ui very well, what a disappointment.
anon3242大约 2 年前
I just want to emphasize two words: trust and freedom.<p>TRUST:<p>The primary reason why some solutions proposed by other comments around how we can use smart knobs, touchscreens with protrusions don&#x27;t work is that we TRUST the physical buttons most. If you feel it registers, you know it surely registers. You can reach your finger towards the panel without thinking beforehand whether to increase or decrease the volume without fearing accidentally triggering other functions. In words of the WWDC 2018 presentation &quot;Designing fluid interfaces&quot;, the thought happens WITH the motion. Why do people still use physical camera blockers when there are already plenty of software solutions available? Trust.<p>Smart knob-like implementations would not solve the problem. For really important stuff like the volume controls&#x2F;mute button, we really need something that we users can <i>always</i> trust. The ideal implementation is probably only using them to control variables currently showing on the screen(like the touchbar!)<p>I read an article before about choosing keyboard to maximize typing speed. It mentioned that the more confidence you have with the keys the better. The experience of typing with unreliable and low-feedback butterfly keys on a VPS over the globe with 300ms roundtrip latency is beyond hell.<p>I have always hated automatic forced updates, even when they do not cause any performance or stability issues. With physical buttons, you know it is here to stay and can never change. However even we manage to make users able to navigate the touchscreen without looking or just with peripheral vision, who knows when it would change drastically tomorrow when it updates itself in the night? The crux is that with touchscreens, car makers would treat them, and the car, as a massive mobile device, but we users actually expect them to be like computers, or single-purpose servers.<p>FREEDOM:<p>The actual implementation is much much more important than the idea itself. The problem is simply too much freedom for the developer. JS and CSS animations&#x2F;transitions, when used properly, can make the experience smooth while not being dizzy and annoying. But observe the current fiasco of &quot;BEAUTIFUL&quot; and &quot;MODERN&quot; web &quot;DESIGN&quot;s. The thing is, the limit of how bad incorrect executions can be, is probably more important the limit of how good it can be when correctly executed. We can have the fastest processors, screen with the fastest response time, and still some UI &quot;designer&quot; can make it feel slower than the Windows 95 on Intel Pentium, remotely controlled over the continent.<p>(Please excuse my poor english and bad writing skills.)
sakex大约 2 年前
A touch screen with driver buttons and voice command would be ideal. The passenger should still be able to man the touch screen and the driver should be able to control the interface without having to look at it.
emrah大约 2 年前
When I had mentioned these issues to friends years ago when touchscreens were just starting to come out, I was criticized as being stuck in my old ways. I&#x27;m glad people are finally catching on. :)))
klyrs大约 2 年前
Please recall my car, the touchscreen is a hazard to me and everybody else.
Friedduck大约 2 年前
My takeaway is how tone-deaf automakers are. Do they actually need clients with fire and pitchforks to listen?<p>Touchscreens are the wrong UI choice for cars. Full stop.
zouhair大约 2 年前
Besides phones and tablets, seldom touchscreens bring anything positive.
v0idzer0大约 2 年前
I love my touchscreen. It’s so much better than the knobs in my old car.
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elif大约 2 年前
Hard disagree here.<p>I went from touchscreen only (model Y) to 1960&#x27;s switchboard operator (audi Q6) for a trip helping my family and it drove me insane.<p>The number of button presses, light illumination meanings, automatic modes I had to learn to simply turn off the air conditioning was infuriating. To change the music or interact with navigation I had to click a spinny wheel and turn it like I was tabbing thru options with a keyboard.<p>When I picked up my father and got to swap back cars, it was like a Steve Jobs moment when I voice command &quot;open glovebox&quot; and &quot;i&#x27;m cold&quot; or simply rearrange the destinations with a finger drag. I&#x27;m pretty sure they are buying a Tesla next.
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spullara大约 2 年前
OMG the world is full of whiners these days. Glancing at a touch screen doesn&#x27;t kill you. It is people looking at their phones in their hands for minutes at a time.
notorandit大约 2 年前
&gt; The 2024 Porsche Cayenne. The 2023 model had touchscreens on the steering wheel.<p>It depends on where you out them. Touchscreens on steering wheel seems a big thinko to me.
Technotroll大约 2 年前
Is this possibly due to chip shortages? I supposed it&#x27;s easier to produce a &quot;legacy&quot; switch than a touch screen? Or what am I missing here?
mrfumier大约 2 年前
I think the vision of many car makers (Tesla at least) is self-driving and voice commands.<p>In that context, the question touch screen vs physical buttons doesn&#x27;t matter.
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0xbadc0de5大约 2 年前
Or if you&#x27;re going to insist on a touchscreen, perhaps add some tactile feedback mechanism. Smartphones figured this out years ago.
throw7大约 2 年前
Anyone with two brain cells could tell you touchscreens suck in cars. They physically demand visually attention to do anything.
liendolucas大约 2 年前
Screens in cars are completely unnecessary, we have been driving without them for 80 or 90 years. You don&#x27;t really want to get distracted when driving. Car makers are putting entertainment systems in front of drivers.<p>I&#x27;m shocked that no government hasn&#x27;t stepped in and regulated its push. People are already looking at mobile phones while driving despite being told that is extremely dangerous to do so and on top of that we also now have theaters on 4 wheels.
m3kw9大约 2 年前
It’s either space shuttle controls vs touch screen. There are just too many features to fit it in all hardware buttons
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stronglikedan大约 2 年前
I love my trackpad in my Acura. I was hesitant at first, but after getting used to it, I think it&#x27;s a great compromise.
blackhaz大约 2 年前
I wonder what F-22&#x2F;F-35 pilots think of this. I can&#x27;t imagine messing with touchscreen while pulling 8-9 Gs.
dustymcp大约 2 年前
Why cant it turn off, mine blinds me during nighttime drive, its so bad i took out a jumper so it doesnt work anymore..
ejz大约 2 年前
“Automakers think the problem is touch screens and not their software”<p>There, I fixed that headline for you
bearmode大约 2 年前
Touchscreens are great for controlling my maps, and my music.<p>For the love of fuck, don&#x27;t control anything else with them.
boringg大约 2 年前
You know what I love about touchscreens? Filling out forms - its the greatest experience known to human kind.
1letterunixname大约 2 年前
<i>When</i> (not if) the touchscreen goes out, large swaths of functionality become useless.<p>Physical controls are simpler UX.
sar009大约 2 年前
there are only 2 use case for digital screen in a car 1. help driver see while reversing 2. navigation<p>and only one use case for touch-screen 1. navigation<p>Other than that every use cases can be fulfilled by physical buttons. There is certainly no use case for a 16 inch screen.
aunterste大约 2 年前
When airplane cockpits have touchscreens, they are ready for use in cars, until then...
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josefrichter大约 2 年前
Every designer knows this. It’s fascinating that automakers’ designers seemingly don’t.
szundi大约 2 年前
Not me though. Model X is awesome. The index stick is missing though, lol.
throwfaraway9大约 2 年前
Now just wait until they realize how most people feel about electric cars.
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danielvaughn大约 2 年前
It will always amuse me that anyone thought this was a good idea. Like everyone looked at the iPhone and thought &quot;hey yeah let&#x27;s put that _everywhere_&quot;. Put it on thermostats, put it in cars, heck let&#x27;s put it on a friggin space shuttle. Absolute insanity.
anderspitman大约 2 年前
Touchscreens are great for developers, but generally terrible for users.
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every大约 2 年前
Driving itself is an analog activity. Turn a wheel. Press a pedal. Check a mirror. Glance at a gauge. Judge a distance. No place amongst all that for fiddling with a touch screen. Voice commands may be another matter, however...
ChancyChance大约 2 年前
I&#x27;ve always been baffled how the standards for what is INSIDE and ECU is far more strict than outside.<p>Functional Safety<p>ASIL<p>MISRA<p>ASPICE<p>ISO 21434<p>ISO 26262<p>Yet ... touchscreens.
maxdo大约 2 年前
to all antiquarian fans. Car didn&#x27;t stuck in time when you got your first car. Look at the latest modern cars, it knows when the rain starts, it has climate control so you don&#x27;t need to rotate hit&#x2F;cooling controls. To drive to front or back car knows itself, and you don&#x27;t have to switch gears every minute or two. There is no parking break, it is automatic.<p>Modern car is much, much SIMPLER, it will be more simpler, so it&#x27;s a natural direction to boost multimedia, not been a soviet era airplane.
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trollerator23大约 2 年前
Well no shit. I could have told them that.
fergie大约 2 年前
&quot;Pedestrian and cyclist fatalities recently hit their highest levels in 40 years&quot;<p>I wonder if the various self driving technologies have anything to do with this?
chrisbrandow大约 2 年前
I can’t be more hopeful that this is true.
uf00lme大约 2 年前
Blackberry. If you know, you know.
jeisc大约 2 年前
the real question to ask here is did they ever put touchscreens in F1 race cars?
DonHopkins大约 2 年前
&gt;“These screens are presented as this avant garde, minimalist design,”<p>The idiotic trend of applying Jony Ive&#x27;s minimalist iPad user interface designs to automotive touchscreen kills people.<p>It pointlessly distracts from the primary purpose of designing user-friendly, intuitive, safe automotive touchscreens.<p>Jony Ive Spearheads Minimalist Design Overhaul For iOS:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitrebels.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;jony-ive-minimalist-design-ios&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitrebels.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;jony-ive-minimalist-design-...</a><p>Guide: The Art of Minimalism in UI Design:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sympli.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;the-art-of-minimalism-in-ui-design" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sympli.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;the-art-of-minimalism-in-ui-design</a><p>Jony Ive&#x27;s minimalist designs could reshape the future of iOS, OS X:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;appleinsider.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;12&#x2F;10&#x2F;30&#x2F;jony-ives-minimalist-designs-could-reshape-the-future-of-ios-os-x" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;appleinsider.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;12&#x2F;10&#x2F;30&#x2F;jony-ives-minimal...</a><p>The Art of Minimalism in Mobile App UI Design:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uxplanet.org&#x2F;the-art-of-minimalism-in-mobile-app-ui-design-b21aa671dd7f" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uxplanet.org&#x2F;the-art-of-minimalism-in-mobile-app-ui-...</a><p>More practical less vain interface designers are finally calling for an end to this terrible trend in minimalist interface design on mobile devices, but it never should have been applied to automotive interfaces in the first place, and there is already lots of blood on the hands of cocaine-addled cargo-cult iPad interface designers mindlessly aping John Ive while working on automotive interfaces.<p>The designer behind one of the iPad’s biggest apps is calling for an end to minimalism:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;90604970&#x2F;the-designer-behind-one-of-the-ipads-biggest-apps-is-calling-for-an-end-to-minimalism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;90604970&#x2F;the-designer-behind-one...</a><p>The point of designing automotive touchscreen user interfaces is not to show off to the world what a brilliant sensitive snowflake of a minimalist avant garde artistic designer you are.<p>It&#x27;s not about designing beautiful enigmatic minimal screens uncluttered by pesky visual clues, signifiers, and affordances, more suited to be hung on the walls of art museums for patrons to stare at and interpret and argue over their ambiguous meaning in their leisure time.<p>The art-first, safety-last trend of prioritizing aesthetics over usability in automotive interfaces should be outlawed, because it has a fatal impact in driver safety, that kills people.
deostroll大约 2 年前
Is no one irked by some capitalistic policies&#x2F;monopoly by giant corporations?<p>For e.g. you ask the voice assistant to play a song, it will deny that request saying that you need to buy their &quot;premium&quot; offering first.<p>Another fact is that voice integration to other apps which are not of the same vendor as that of the phone is virtually non-existent.
n_eutrino大约 2 年前
Thats why i love mazda
mwexler大约 2 年前
Not all drivers.
BulgarianIdiot大约 2 年前
Sanity at last
thathndude大约 2 年前
Getting really tired of this conclusion. I love my touch screens. Please don’t take them away!
sheepscreek大约 2 年前
Thank you automakers. I can’t imagine using the touchscreen to change the wiper speed while my kid is yelling in the backseat and I’m driving on the highway. And some irresponsible driver cutting in my lane while I’m doing this.<p>I also feel for the poor astronauts in a touchscreen only SpaceX Dragon cockpit (unless the design changed).<p>The feeling of being helpless, even if it’s perceived helplessness.
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CamperBob2大约 2 年前
Nothing wrong with touchscreens, just don&#x27;t rely exclusively on them for basic vehicle operations! Thoughtless trend-following caused all these UX complaints in the first place, and it sounds like the automakers are hoping it will fix them as well. It won&#x27;t.
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sircastor大约 2 年前
I’m a former infotainment engineer. Touchscreens made it possible to make modern technologies available, and make them accessible in the car to people. If this results in car makers ditching touchscreens, people will get mad that they can’t use CarPlay like they used to.<p>In my experience, most people who have driven their car for ages can’t use the buttons on their center console without looking at them. Maybe the volume control…<p>As an experiment, I challenge you to draw a picture of your car’s center console from memory. See how much of it you get right. This isn’t to say that physical buttons aren’t any better than touchscreens, but I think people romanticize how effective they are with their cars interface.
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fnordpiglet大约 2 年前
I’m apparently unique in this, but I prefer touch screens. Not because I fail to realize the value of buttons, but I don’t find sitting in an airplane cockpit with a few hundred buttons that much better than a screen that is contextual. I like having a few buttons for common tasks like audio controls, and voice control for most else. The rest of the stuff can be on a touch screen for all I care. I get others prefer buttons - but it’s not monolithically preferred.
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ptelomere大约 2 年前
IMHO, don&#x27;t blame touch screens, blame bad UI design.<p>My touch screen annoyance: &quot;oops, it detected a swipe instead of a press, because the car just went through a bump!&quot;. Or, &quot;Oops! I accidentally pressed cancel instead of back button, now my map navigation is gone!!!&quot;.<p>Design the UI well, so that drivers can&#x27;t screw things up easily.
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