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Ask HN: An etymology question, I am genuinely curious

1 点作者 askin4it大约 2 年前
I recently started encountering the word &quot;Languaging&quot;. It has that academically desperate new-word stink all over it. Further, Google seems to like answering the question &quot;is languaging a word&quot; with an enthusiastic &quot;YES!&quot; which makes me suspicious that it will claim any noun that ends in &quot;-ing&quot; is a word. Super smart. Anyway, OED is more circumspect, but I still can&#x27;t get any sources to reveal any historical usage. I found the definition below, and from my layman&#x27;s perspective, I would assume it earned someone a phd. Does anyone know what this term means and where it originated.<p>I&#x27;m not sure how this construction makes sense. It&#x27;s like domain name parking. what does building knowledge even mean? complex problems? why not simple ones? Didn&#x27;t they used to call this &quot;talking&quot;??<p>Anyway if someone cares to share any knowledge they might have, it would be appreciated.<p>“Languaging” or “doing language” is a collaborative dialogic activity or a process of making meaning and building knowledge through language to solve complex problems.

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ofalkaed大约 2 年前
Academics do not dictate what is and is not a word, usage does and it is generally difficult to find historical usage for recent words.<p>Edit: mistook what you meant by &quot;academically desperate&quot; most likely but I am not 100% sure about what you did mean by it. New usages have vague definitions since there is not enough usage yet and it may very well be a new way to say &quot;talking&quot; but the definition you gave makes it sound more like a new way to say &quot;discussing.&quot;<p>You may want to read up on how language evolves and grows.<p>Edit a tad more:<p>Did a bit of digging and &quot;languaging&quot; has its first recorded use (according to google books) back in the early 1800s and has had a fairly regular niche usage up until the 1960s where use starts to increase.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;ngrams&#x2F;graph?content=languaging&amp;year_start=1800&amp;year_end=2019&amp;corpus=en-2019&amp;smoothing=3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;ngrams&#x2F;graph?content=languaging&amp;yea...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=%22languaging%22&amp;lr=lang_en&amp;tbs=lr:lang_1en,cdr:1,cd_min:1800,cd_max:1899&amp;tbm=bks&amp;sxsrf=APwXEddpFKGVYaZJ8-7GoqISkDByMLHqOQ:1682790351381&amp;source=lnt&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwib7v_I0s_-AhVwjIkEHS9XAEQ4ChCnBXoECAEQGw&amp;biw=1346&amp;bih=771&amp;dpr=1.4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=%22languaging%22&amp;lr=lang_en&amp;...</a>
jfengel大约 2 年前
The OED is always going to be a lagging indicator -- usually decades lagging.<p>Their sibling project, The Oxford Dictionary of English, is going to be much more current on slang. The names are confusing, but aside from having the same publisher they&#x27;re almost completely unrelated. The OED is an academic project for past language evolution; the Oxford Dictionary of English is a practical dictionary for use by everyday English speakers.
jaclaz大约 2 年前
new-word stink? check<p>meaning everything and the contrary of it? check<p>new? No, seemingly it is around since many years, very likely &quot;invented&quot; by Merrill Swain:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Merrill_Swain" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Merrill_Swain</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbepbmt.wordpress.com&#x2F;reading-reflection-week-6-definition-of-languaging-and-complex-systems-in-discourse&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbepbmt.wordpress.com&#x2F;reading-reflection-week-6-defi...</a><p>cannot say in which of her many papers it was used first.